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Butch and Sundance: An Afterword To Their Story. Part 2

Here's Butch and Sundance in their city duds, Sundance is on the left, unfortunately we don't have any good, clear photos of them in their Western attire:

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Howdy folks and greetings from the Great Plains of North Texas!

I promised some of my readers that I'd give an update on the Butch and Sundance story if I found more information regarding their demise.

Well, as I was finishing my series of posts on these guys I found out that the main researcher I'd been using, the amazing Anne Meadows, had written an addition to the latest printing of her book, Digging Up Butch and Sundance.

In my last post on the subject I talked about additional information which adds to the evidence that we already have about what happened to them. This post is the rest of that information.

Can't we prove this thing once and for all?

Uh...no. But using DNA IS the way to do it. The legend at the San Vicente cemetery where the outlaws were buried gave a location of an unmarked grave.

That grave was supposed to be between a German prospector who blew himself up thawing a frozen stick of dynamite on his woodstove and a Swede who accidently shot himself while dismounting his mule.

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So in 1996 an exhumation was done on the supposed grave site but only one body was there and it turned out to be the German prospector. DNA was run just to be safe and no match to either Butch or Sundance.

In the Afterword Anne Meadows explained that they learned of a mistake in the translation of the location of the two outlaws. It didn't say between the German and Swede. It simply said they were buried in the same cemetery as the other foreigners, the German and the Swede.

That ain't gonna happen

The researchers ran into tremendous resistance in exhuming that one body. The locals don't believe the dead should be bothered. The only way to find out for sure if Butch and Sundance are buried there would be to exhume almost every grave in the cemetery and they would never permit that.

The circumstantial evidence that the two perished in that little windswept town is overwhelming though. If that gold watch hadn't disappeared then it could have been identified as the one Sundance bought at Tiffanys in New York City in 1900.

The skeptics have a good question

Skeptics ask why did they stop in a town when they had always camped away from towns when they were on the run?

Well, the weather for one. San Vicente is over 14,000 feet up in the mountains and it was bitter cold. The inventory list showed they had no winter clothing.

This is a great photo showing the barren landscape of San Vicente:

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In addition to that, they had no food for their mules so they had to stop and buy food for them. The terrain was barren with no grass. This was basically a high desert.

In the interviews that the investigators did with the locals one of the locals stated that he heard the two debating about staying at the village.

One wanted to get supplies and push on, the other wanted to spend the night. Turned out to be a fateful decision. They were in a remote village two mountain ranges from the crime so I think they felt safe.

The skeptics have another good question

Critics also argue that this couldn't have been Butch and Sundance because Butch always stationed fast horses spaced out every ten miles or so along his escape routes.

That is true. But the area of Bolivia which they were in is mountainous terrain with narrow trails and mules were used to traverse those trails.

I believe this photo is a very accurate image of what the trails looked like, there were no "roads" per se, at least not modern type roads:

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So there was no "fast" escaping in this terrain. I don't know if they could have done the same thing with mules as he did with horses but he didn't.

They DID have a route mapped out on a map which we discussed in the last post but they took a hostage the first day to be their guide and on the second day they stopped at a village to ask for directions.

One more correction

The initial reports which were examined claimed that they had left their rifles on the front porch of that little house but the inventory list of the items in the back room where the bodies were found included a new Winchester rifle with 120 rounds of ammunition.

And they also had lots of ammunition for their pistols so they had plenty to keep firing. But they knew they were surrounded and pinned in, they were both wounded, and there was no escape. So instead of trying to take more lives they decided to take their own.

This final act confirms what I have learned about them. They were men of courage and had a core morality against killing.

The painful truth

The fact is, they drastically underestimated the Bolivians.

But when you steal a mine payroll in a section of the country composed of nothing but miners then the whole country is on the lookout and even in little San Vicente they had been alerted to watch for two Americans with a mine-owned mule.

That gold dredging operation manager who they took hostage for the first day of travel said that he warned them and told them he thought their plan was "unwise" and he said that Sundance replied to him with confidence.."They won't get us."

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Thanks for going on this journey with me folks, I hope you've enjoyed it as much as I have. God bless you all!

-jonboy Texas

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Comments · 23

  • @whatisnew(66)· 2733d

    Are you sure the German and Swede were not rednecks? Who else would thaw a frozen stick of dynamite in a wood burning stove. I was wondering if they would dig up Butch and Sundance to check their DNA especially with the title of that book. But I think we all have the truth without it. Thanks for the interesting journey @janton! : )

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  • @redheadpei(72)· 2734d

    We will never know for sure but it looks to me like they met their demise there. They really thought they were invincible after getting away with so much. The landscape sure looks barren and unforgiving.

  • @nickyhavey(74)· 2734d

    I didn't know you could still write Lord Janton! You must have done this when you were sober - guess they ran out of beer at your local shop!

    Nice addition to the research here and it was surprisingly comprehensible! Seems some of your posts are doing pretty well - look at your rep as well. You'll be 70 in no time

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  • @trudeehunter(72)· 2735d

    What does one put on the headstones of people who A) Accidentally blows themselves up thawing a frozen stick of dynamite on their wood stove and B) A cowboy who shoots himself trying to dismount?

    I smiled when I read that but I'm sure their loved ones didn't see the funny side of their demise when it happened.

    That landscape in San Vicente certainly does look barren and if it was bitterly cold you can't blame Butch and Sundance needing shelter from those harsh elements. They were fighting for survival but it was one of the last things they did until they were outnumbered and outwitted not long after arriving there. It was a brave thing to do to end their lives as they did.

    There was a limit to that these guys would go to with their outlaw activities but they drew the line at killing athough people were killed along the way. Loved this series @janton You did a great job!

  • @xcountytravelers(67)· 2735d

    Hey @janton! Sorry I haven't been around enough to keep up with the B&SD stories. Been really crazy here at the lakehouse and trying to get HHYM moving along.

    You seem to always have such great stories, I should really just put you on the daily must read list. Can't wait to see what's next! Ren

  • @allyinspirit(64)· 2735d

    Maybe someone, good with divining rods would be able to determine if Butch and Sundance came to rest at San Vicente cemetery? ♥︎♥︎⚖️♥︎♥︎

  • @fotosdenada(67)· 2735d

    Well, it sounds like they tried their best. Too bad about that watch, though. It would be fun to find out what happened to it. Maybe somewhere, there's an old chest in a little house in Bolivia with a fancy, forgotten gold watch.

  • @ganjafarmer(76)· 2735d

    Huge thoughts! Wow! And killer job on learning the history about it.

    Best storyteller here! For sure! Love it!

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  • @tali72(69)· 2735d

    self-reliance is the first step to failure! so with them it happened. what a woman explorer was ready to go to — amazingly: even to open graves! she is a very purposeful person!

  • @themadgoat(62)· 2735d

    The part that got me the most was the guy BBQing a stick of dynamite and the other guy shooting himself while getting off the horse. Shit was rough back then.

  • @blacklux(68)· 2735d

    I told you already, they didn't die! Criminal mustaches make people immortal!

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  • @angiemitchell(74)· 2736d

    Good afternoon janton, so did they really die in this god forsaken part of the world or not? I reckon they debate will continue forever! There will always be a little bit of what if? Why a nightmare digging up a whole cemetery where religious views are very strong.

    Maybe more books are yet to be written, haha.

  • @quotes-haven(69)· 2736d

    I would be quite happy with where the story ended -without the Afterword. The Afterword raised more doubts and uncertainty - all without answers, or rather the answers rendered the Afterword unnecessary. But what do I know right?

  • @keithboone(68)· 2736d

    It's been a great series, very enjoyable!

  • @melinda010100(80)· 2736d

    I can certainly understand them not wanting to dig up their whole graveyard! I think this ending for them is very fitting. Rather brave and more honorable than getting blasted away trying to make a run for it, not knowing the entire army was outside the door, like in the movie.

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  • @lenasveganliving(69)· 2736d

    Howdy Janton! I agree with your clever profiling, because it makes sense and it's futile to argue it. It would be nice if their ending was happier, however, this was a huge mistake on their part and they really misjudged Bolivia! Oh well, they lived on the edge their whole life, so ending like this is no surprise. But now is really time to say goodbye and God bless their souls.

  • @enosh(52)· 2736d

    Another excellent post @janton.

  • @tamaralovelace(70)· 2736d

    Men of courage indeed. I would have to agree with that statement. What colorful lives they led lol

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  • @jerrytsuseer(73)· 2736d

    Nice conclusion @janton my friend. You've pulled together the loose ends Well methinks. Sad ending to an amazing story.