#steemtorch

SteemTorch - WTF?!

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Today I got a rather big Steem transfer: 1205 STEEM.

Memo said:

glass.wolf transfer 1,205 STEEM to rafalski Steem Torch Experiment! Count: 275. Please read the Steem Torch Rules at https://steemit.com/hive-197585/@geekgirl/steem-torch-revised before passing it to the next user. Total 1205 Steem.

And I'm confused. Cannot imagine more stupid idea right now.

Crypto was made so people wouldn't need to trust anyone, anytime, anywhere.

Yet, You have send me money with "trust" idea I will send it further.

Also consider the feelings of my fellow sender @glass.wolf if I took money for my own purposes.

I will pass on explaining why this is also stupid forcing people to follow the rules they didn't know even exist (Steemtorch rules).

I will not promote being stupid and vulnerable to scams. I'm not gonna send this money further with the rules I don't agree and didn't know before I got the steem.

Waiting for the message from the creator (@steemtorch @andrarchy) of this thing what to do - (send him back, send to null, other?).

I found out that some very noble and well know steemians participated in this action, gonna tag them to consider my point of view and why is it harmful. @glass.wolf @pkocjan @rozku @jacekw @aggroed @acidyo @howo @arcange @themarkymark @ausbitbank @theycallmedan @alexvan @jarvie @cryptomancer @ocd @mattclarke @holoz0r @utopian-io @steemhunt @partiko

"Steem Torch is an experiment to demonstrate the speed and trust in transferring value on Steem social network."

Really guys?

UPDATE: Steem returned back to the sender @glass.wolf - https://steemd.com/tx/9a1b2872991b5326bc8fb9bd8f72ac37f90514e9 WHY: my most trusted steemian friend @deepcrypto8 didnt want to take part in the "game" :(

Comments · 22

@afrog(69)· 2372d
off topic

Dear @rafalski. Are you able to help me out of a little pitty confusion? Yesterday I've bought 31 planets in the area somewhere around 32/-294. My home planet is on point 1377/1065. Yes, it's a horrible gap. When I start your Flight Radar, I only see the area of my homeplanet. I have no glue how to find the new area of my pond. When I use „full space“ it's nearly impossible to scroll. Would you give me a hint please.

By the way. I will feed you with STEEM on regular base, when I've finally paied my new planets. Your software is used by me on daily base, It is really well done.

Best Regards Martin
@flaws(73)· 2391d
I read the post about 3 times and I still don't understand why you should make a post instead of just returning the money to the person who sent it to you before (you could even include a memo saying that you just don't want to participate or you think it's stupid).

All this is unnecessary.
@dramatoken(62)· 2391d

You have DRAMA!

^{To view or trade DRAMA go to steem-engine.com.}
@gtg(76)· 2391d
A man who stopped the Torch and moved the Steemians ;-) Well deserved:

!dramatoken
@haseebasifkhan(62)· 2392d
Excellent information
@arcange(79)· 2392d
As I have been tagged, here is my reaction to your post.

This is a useless drama. As @geekgirl wrote, this is just a fun social experiment. I am also a sort of security paranoid, but I do not find any "security" threat there.

To me, the main thing of this experiment is about trust between people (and I truly believe it won't demonstrate anything else).

The one who sent me the Steem torch money demonstrated he trusted me. If each time we needed the agreement of a person before we could show him our confidence, then the concept of trust would disappear and there would only remain that of contract.

It is the basis of inter-human relationships and it is what sets us apart from the machine. I was honored by the trust that @emrebeyler placed in me and I think our human relationship has been strengthened. I think it was the same with @howo, to whom I transferred the money, but surely with all the people who follow the torch.

In one of your comments, you wrote:

There is plenty of scam in crypto world and I'm disgusted in such sending money to people that creates even more "area" for scams.

I think, on the contrary, that it is through our collective demonstration that trust is possible that we can reduce the scams "area". Education is not done through fear, but by leading people to adopt positive behavior.

PS: Do I need to have your consent before upvoting your posts, which triggers the system to send you STEEM you potentially could misuse according to my own values? 😉
@geekgirl(80)· 2392d
Hi @rafalski!

Sorry that Steem Torch experiment caused you some frustration. That was not its intent. It is a little fun social experiment to show the power of steem wallet.

When I first sent out the Steem Torch it was with purpose to show how fast and reliable Steem blockchain is in transferring funds. Steem Torch travelled around the world, users from all continents got to send to each other with zero fees. That is one of the great features of Steem. As you said with blockchain there is no need to trust centralized entities, money transfers can be done peer to peer more securely and efficiently. Steem is more than capable of that. That is the essence of the experiment.

Of course social layer adds the trust in people, who on Steem are awesome. Steem Torch passed through users who are whales, orcas, dolphins, minnows, and even users with 15 sp. That just shows how trustworthy and awesome community we have. It is something we can be proud about.

The experiment has been going on for 11 months without any broken trust. Hopefully it will end successfully when it reaches the final count and the the funds will be donated for some good cause by the final count user.

Once again apologies that it bothered you. Just wanted to explain the original intentions. Clearly, you are invested in Steem and have projects going on and believe in the potential of Steem. Transfer of value in Steem is one of its great features. The experiment just demonstrates that.

No scams, no ill intentions here. Quite the opposite. Thank you for not ending it.
@holoz0r(78)· 2392d
I made this same comment on @klye's post, but feel its relevant here as a standalone..

Insert drama here.

The original Steem Torch was a stuffed bird named Rustle.

https://steempeak.com/@holoz0r/spare-a-thought-for-rustle-the-original-steemtorch
@meesterboom(81)· 2392d
Fuck sake. Keep it or don't but don't be a fucking crybaby about it
@stuffbyspencer(62)· 2392d
Rafalski right now
@belemo(79)· 2392d
You're really making a big deal out of it tbh. Nobody's forcing you to do SHIT.
@klye(75)· 2393d
https://steempeak.com/art/@klye/rafalski-and-steemtorch-right-now
@contrabourdon(73)· 2393d
!giphy drama
@lunaticpandora(70)· 2393d
You must be really fun at parties huh?

I recieved money and I'm soooo mad!!!
@themarkymark(81)· 2393d
@whatsup(76)· 2393d
Every person who had it, enjoyed the opportunity to steal it, burn it or pass it on.

I don't think it was about trust at all it was about a voluntary participation in a community event.

I can see your point, if you send it back where it came from, no big deal, if you send it to null you've made a decision for everyone and some are likely to have feelings about it.

Feels like a momentary power play perhaps not worthy of the lash back, but that depends on how strongly you feel about your point.
@therealwolf(77)· 2393d
I was actually auto-upvoting your posts to support your https://steemweb.pl project. Since there is no contract, it's completely reliant on trust, but you're making it very clear that you're not believing in trust. So, should I stop my autovotes and unvote this post?
@klye(75)· 2393d
Hell.. Send it to Steem-Roller.com and double it on the dice, keep half of it and send the rest to wherever you want.. Profit. :D

lol, I mean personally I don't think you should do that but whatever!

Taking the STEEM Torch for yourself would be a dick move.. But it is yours to do what you want with it. Interested to see what you do.
@elgeko(74)· 2393d
There is also a meta level in this game. Usually the torch is passed to a friend and somebody, where it is not expected that the money gets lost. The whole community is watching the torch pass. You really make a valid point about trust and extra rules I agree with. Anyone who puts money into this topples up the value, has to expect to lose the money in the long run. It is destined to fail in the long run because Murphy´s law. But maybe the social interaction we all had on Steem frontends was worth more than 1200 steem, the more value, the more suspence, more talk about the torch. If the money gets lost, nothing will happen on blockchain protocol level, it will just trigger a social whale witchhunt onto the untrustworthy account. But I dont want to bother you with What-if Scenario I am sure you will either return it sender or pass on to somebody you expect he will not rob the community. Cheers !
@fredrikaa(74)· 2393d
What's so confusing? It is just a bit of community fun. You don't have to send a greater amount, so it's not like it matters to you.

The only responsibility was on the person sending it to you to have some idea that you would 1. Find it funny and not bothersome and 2. Send it on to someone else.

Your comment about the point of crypto being to not have to trust anyone also makes no sense as it relates to the protocol and ownership of your own wallet and funds, not to what people and communities do with their money or resources.
@mys(63)· 2393d
Send to null! Send to null!
@glass.wolf(54)· 2394d
You got it all wrong mate, but it's my fault. I didn't follow the rules and didn't ask you or inform you about the transfer. I trust you so i've just sent you the torch. Your attitude is totally understandable, because i kinda forced you to participate and i am sorry for that, but also a bit amused. Jah Bless!