#dpoll

Downvotes... are they a good thing for #steem or not?

I've been thinking a lot about the free downvotes that were introduced with HF21.

I made up my mind and I don't like them, because the potential for misuse is high and we can see such toxic usage of downvotes with people targeting others for different reasons from the safety of non-posting accounts that are just registered for downvote usage.

Upvoting and leaving comments on content that we don't like is more than enough to show opposing belief, disgust or any other critique.

What I was concerned about has materialized in little projects even like downvotecontrol for instance.They target SBI (steem basic income) users because they think "Vote trading circles are worse than bidbots, downvoting posts upvoted by SBI farm, upvotebuilders etc ..."

So, what do you think! Are the downvotes a good thing or do they make #steem more toxic?

Downvotes are good for #steem!

Downvotes are bad for #steem!

Answer the question at dpoll.xyz.

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@suntree(60)· 2456d
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- Downvotes are bad for #steem!
Some people are literally destroyed. I don't like downvotes. I find it sad that some are so strongly downvoted that they are always invisible. I think it's anti-social and toxic
@esecholo(65)· 2456d
They aren't a good thing. The downvotes should be treated as a flag or a report function like it used to... Now you're just giving more power to whales to freely downvote with impunity against smaller channels... and now tribes actively run separate accounts to downvote people to protect either their shittokens and or their other projects.
@markkujantunen(77)· 2457d
Downvotes are necessary. On balance, what we had before HF 21 was much worse than what we have now. Votes were purchased with positive return on investment putting practically anything to Trending, which is a completely insane concept because no platform can survive paying people to advertise on it. Few people would sacrifice their voting power to combat that.

The reward pool is a common resource. It is owned by no one and users have influence over it in proportion to their stake. What happened to the pool prior to HF 21 could serve as a textbook example of a tragedy of the commons. Preventing reward pool abuse absolutely requires active policing. There is no going around that.

To be honest, I'd much rather see the content reward pool completely removed than to have it abused like it used to be before HF 21 and #newsteem.
@markkujantunen(77)· 2457d
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- Downvotes are good for #steem!
@lanzjoseg(78)· 2457d
Hi @doifeellucky

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- Downvotes are bad for #steem!
Downvotes do great damage to the platform for small peces growth
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@wakeupkitty.pal(63)· 2459d
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- Downvotes are bad for #steem!
@arcange(79)· 2460d
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@fredkese(72)· 2460d
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- Downvotes are bad for #steem!
@pedrobrito2004(71)· 2460d
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- Downvotes are bad for #steem!
I did not like the idea of voting freely in the negative, less when it can be done without having to give any comments that could explain what we dislike and give the author the opportunity to discuss or even correct the port.

When there is at least one comment that explains it can be assumed that it is not a systematic attempt to harm anyone, but when the votes come from accounts that only cast negative votes and do not publish anything, they can no longer be given the "benefit of the doubt"

I would like an option to be included in the future, whether it is voted only positive or only negative, but nothing is ever published, as the account is suspected of being a bot account; that when you only cast negative votes, you have to write for each case, so that it is explained what motivates you to vote negative a certain post; I think that in any case there may be users who will take it as something personal (which I do not deny that it can happen), but at least we will have some discussion and better possibilities to learn and grow than simply having bot accounts giving negative votes.
@pedrobrito2004(71)· 2460d
I don't like negative votes either, I think that when I started on this network, if you didn't like something you didn't vote for it and if it bothered you a lot, you would comment on it and make your point of view clear. But now it turns out that I have several negative votes simply because it occurred to me to enter the SBI a bit.

Thus, without explanation or right to defend myself, I will constantly receive negative votes from bot accounts that only issue these negative votes, without those accounts ever having a publication or burning steem for the benefit of the network. They are simple zombie accounts that are used to attack others without giving them truce or opportunity to dialogue.

I would like that if an account emits only negative votes, at least the same blockchain forces you to write a brief comment when you vote, verifying that it is not a text repeated to infinity, to at least complicate the life of the bots and make them People explain what bothers them so much about what is written in the accounts that they vote all the time in negative.
@juanmolina(70)· 2461d
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- Downvotes are bad for #steem!
The concept itself is a positive aspect. But as it is currently configured, it is not functional for the community. the policies should be modified
@literalypotato(54)· 2461d
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- Downvotes are good for #steem!
I would say it definitely depends on the circumstances. If a spam post is getting downvoted so they don't get rewards for doing nothing, that is good. If it is just "getting a downvote from a random account for no reason" or "downvoted because I disagree with this person or don't like them" that is bad.
@trincowski(72)· 2461d
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- Downvotes are bad for #steem!
Not when they allow people to bully others for pleasure.
@mitty(54)· 2461d
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- Downvotes are bad for #steem!
The current downvote system is a crap that is destroying Steem. It looks like a desert now. I have to say no.

Downvotes shouldn't be free 'coz people abuse them to wage personal wars. Downvotes should cost real steem so that morons don't abuse them.
@bitshares101(48)· 2461d
I thing down votes could be effective if they weren't weighted. Just because you have a lot of money doesn't mean you should have the power to to ruin somebody because it doesn't fit your agenda. It doesn't mean you have the right to be a bully and it doesn't mean you are any smarter or fairer than someone who has a small amount of money. From the start of Steemit that power has been abused and has ruined countless individuals and groups by irresponsible actions due to an unfair advantage.

Having the power to affect others comes with a great responsibility and as we've seen through history those that hold power generally abuse it and that hasn't been any different here.
@d-zero(71)· 2461d
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- Downvotes are bad for #steem!
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@jeffjagoe(77)· 2461d
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- Downvotes are bad for #steem!
@abbak7(74)· 2461d
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- Downvotes are bad for #steem!
@russia-btc(71)· 2461d
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- Downvotes are good for #steem!
@fucho80(69)· 2461d
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- Downvotes are bad for #steem!
@fucho80(69)· 2461d
Friend @doifeellucky, it's a great discussion you propose.

Negative votes have begun to be used indiscriminately in an irresponsible manner, with criteria adjusted not to the misuse of the platform but to the personal taste of each one.

I particularly think that this platform has the purpose of being able to express ourselves freely, as long as we do not harm its operation or other users.

In my case, every post I make is hit by negative votes from some accounts for no apparent reason, according to what you express is for using SBI, a vote with which someone generously supports me to help me.

In my personal opinion, regulators must be regulated!
@oadissin(77)· 2461d
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- Downvotes are good for #steem!
@oadissin(77)· 2461d
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- Downvotes are good for #steem!
@maxer27(68)· 2461d
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- Downvotes are bad for #steem!
@ili0braz(64)· 2461d
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- Downvotes are bad for #steem!
@culgin(72)· 2461d
I think it's mixed.

It's as though we equip every steemian with a weapon. How we use the weapon is dependent on individual.

It ultimately depends on whether there are more good actors than bad actors on this platform. Time will tell
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@anthonyadavisii(73)· 2461d
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- Downvotes are good for #steem!
Negative curation is a healthy part of the ecosystem. The problem I see is some people have a hard time w criticism. If a post is overvalued, why not adjust it to what is reasonable and leave constructive feedback?
@whatsup(76)· 2461d
My opinion is they are a necessary evil. :) We need them, the free ones are fine too.

While I don't appreciate the reward police crew and those who attack success, each of us can only allocate what we own or control through delegation.

While I really dislike how some are using them I have to remember it is just an annoyance and not real damage.

I'm not answering the poll, because I think there are pros and cons with the free downvotes and I think this phase will pass.

Downvotes... are they a good thing for #steem or not?

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