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EOS Block One Announcement: Disappointed by Voice

Hello all,

As you might know, Block One of EOS had their big announcement today. They spoke about various things, improvements in EOS, making things faster, using Yubi-keys, integration with Coinbase, all cool stuff, I'm still very excited about EOS and will probably buy more soon.

But then they also announced the new social media called Voice.

Huge disappointment

This basically says it all. I could end the post right here.

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But I won't, I had a brief interaction with none other then the Big Dan himself on the telegram. And straight from the horses mouth he told me point-blank that I would have to doxx myself to get on the Voice platform.

I was indignant and pointed out to him that I had a powerful voice on Steemit, and that no one thinks I'm a bot there, and I never had to doxx myself.

And if you visit the site: https://voice.com/ you can confirm the same:

Are you a human? If so, you’re ready to make a profile! We use a special authentication system to make sure every user on Voice is an actual person. No robo-mobs. No catfish. No burner accounts.

Also

Geographic Restrictions on Voice token eligibility and participation may apply.

Lovely, geographic restrictions. Is there some reason we are kissing the governments ass? What was the point of crypto-currency again? Someone remind me.

And sure, I could sign up to Voice with my normal "John Smith" identity and talk about...I don't even know, what I ate for breakfast? How boring. I don't want to doxx myself.

Voice seems to be similar to Steem, except there is no staking or power, you just get tokens from others voting on you and can spend tokens to push your comments up. So there is no particular reason for me to stock up on Voice tokens anyways.

Loan platform?

Would I be able to use Voice as a loan platform? Very unlikely it seems. It would not be allowed for people to turn over their accounts to me as collateral.

In Steem I can be Superman

(pic from https://superman.fandom.com)

In Voice, I'm forced to be Clark Kent

(pic from https://therationalmale.com)

The choice is obvious.

Long Live Steem!

And we were so worried about the "EOS Steem Killer". This is actually good news for Steem, time to buy more Steem, really.

I understand Steem has problems

Look I get it, the bots and Trolls in Steem are annoying, Steem has problems that need solving, but is it necessary that we take a 180 and go to such extremes, like requiring everyone to doxx themself? Dan went in the wrong direction here. You are never going to have a perfect system, there is always going to be some problem, you just need a good system.

Steem is a good system and things are improving lately (Mira, wallet split, Steem Keychain...with more to come)

Comments · 61

  • @billmega(53)· 2637d

    sure

  • @felix.herrmann(71)· 2638d

    Until this day steem does now my passport Nationalility and so far nobody thinks i am a bot here.

    Phone number plus Email should be enough.

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  • @frankbacon(66)· 2640d

    Highly rEsteemed!

  • @ura-soul(78)· 2641d

    Having researched KYC for Steem onboarding (@steempassport), I know that the only other option for KYC than disclosure of 'ID' documents is biometrics. Since biometrics are fundamentally flawed (you can't reset biometrics like a password, for example), it is extremely likely that EOS/Voice KYC is going to be more like the standard form used by exchanges. Given that EOS is already centralised and designed to be run from institutions such as governments and universities, it does literally appear to be the 'anti Steem' in the sense of deleting most of Steem's strong points (while maybe fixing the bot weakpoint). I personally feel that the future of this kind of platform is in distributed systems that run entirely on people's own devices (so everyone is a witness) and where anonymity is maintained. I think that fixing the bot problem without KYC is simpler than fixing the KYC problem of anonymity and security. I'm interested to see where Voice goes - with such a big budget it is hard to imagine it totally failing.. Who knows, maybe it will just be direct competition for Steem and Steem will win.

  • @sgt-dan(66)· 2641d

    My thoughts on the entire identity verification process being imposed upon those wishing to join the new EOSIO VOICE social media platform can be summed up here by our friend Dr. Lector...

    Wonderful article @neoxian. I do admit that I have some EOS in my portfolio, but diversification is my strategy when it comes to investments. I am now, and will forever be, a STEEM stakeholder and STEEM community member.

  • @adasq(63)· 2641d

    They have all necessary tools to kill STEEM. But decided not to.

  • @dirtbike(55)· 2641d

    Voice is a steeming pile of shit! I wouldn't touch that centralized ponzi scheme with a 10 ft pole and ackza tied to the end of it!

  • @valued-customer(75)· 2642d

    As bad a KYC is, biometrics is far worse. We can't change our biometric data, but hackers can gain it. Once a hacker has it, the real person is screwed for life. I will never use a biometric id mechanism for that reason, and I don't care what benefits using one might provide. Banks started using fingerprints, and I quit using banks. I can do without any benefit any institution claims it can provide, and I will do without any benefit Voice claims it can provide.

    I am only on platforms that I can be pseudonymous on. I don't use most of them anyway, because I have but little interest in most financial benefits. I have found that real benefits aren't derived from finance, but can be attained via direct social interactions.

    Thanks!

  • @chireerocks(75)· 2642d

    @neoxian, Definitely Steem is a Good System and changes comes after experiences and journey. And one thing i really want to say that, in reality we have strong VOICE on Steem in comparison with any platform out there.

    And if everything was perfect then there is no excitement, Steem travelled a quite a journey and if Steemians gather somewhere they have a deep topic to discuss because every Steemian travelled a unique journey on this platform.

    Have a great time ahead.

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  • @battleaxe(70)· 2642d

    on point as usual sir :)

  • @arcange(79)· 2642d

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  • @old-guy-photos(77)· 2642d

    Yeah I was really thinking it was going to be great but sounds like a dud.

  • @kaerpediem(73)· 2642d

    The glass slipper doesn't fit every feet ;p Good to know Superman will be zooming around the SteemVerse :)

  • @ikrahch(73)· 2642d

    I also get disappointed by this anonucement. I was wondering he will anounce the platform where we could ble to earn EOS like Steem on Steemit. Well, lets see what he will bring more..

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  • @streetstyle(72)· 2642d

    And now #SPUD too!!

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  • @theguruasia(69)· 2642d

    @neoxian, Really valuable post bro, yeah if they ban our Voice and perform a platform to share our Voice, WTF they are trying to do! I have a lot of complains against STEEM, but that doesn't mean I wanna leave this and join that! Coz after all this is it, the Social Media top of a real Blockchain!

    Cheers~

  • @drakos(70)· 2642d

    Facebook 2.0, no thanks.

  • @lalupita(60)· 2642d

    You put it so clearly. Long Live Steem

  • @roger5120(73)· 2642d

    Long live Superman. Ha! I like that. 🙌😎

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  • @solarwarrior(67)· 2642d

    absolutely great post! you got it bang on... its a bit like microsoft / linux for EOS it makes a lot sense to implement KYC and to become a real commercial power blockchain.. that's their way and it will be a successful one... but as you have clearly shown KYC will repel many users and USE CASES.. so if EOS voice becomes successful it will drag steem in its slipstream up... .. and yes we have to find a way to facilitate commercial transactions on steem and it will be somehow more difficult because of missing KYC.. but we also have a strong open source community that creates amazing technology.. .. and in regards to BOTs... yes this is the evil of steem.. but if everyone here would be on the same page we could abolish them pretty quick.. with or without KYC...

  • @momogrow(71)· 2642d

    Thanks for your informative post. Who would like doxxing - we seek decentralization not documentation - that is why we are all into cryptos. Time will tell how the masses will respond. Many will jump to the next new things until the know the facts.

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  • @reggaemuffin(66)· 2642d

    This! You are taking the words out of my mouth. When I saw the announcement I thought "what a joke". And what if their KYC fails and they still have bots? Do they ban them? Doesn't seem very decentralized to me...

  • @jacobtothe(77)· 2642d

    A measure of anonymity can be essential for discussing things of importance. Things that are socially or politically taboo. Things that may be illegal, even if not immoral. I have a "real" Facebook account and a pseudonymous facebook account. Guess which one is more honest.

  • @mihirbarot(58)· 2643d

    Haha that's some good point you have metion in post and you have a good argument point have done with the admin. Need more rule might some times ruin the things.👍☺️

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  • @bengy(79)· 2643d

    The thing that I found interesting was that you could burn tokens to promote your content... such that you didn't need a million followers to be heard! Hmmm... this sounds familiar?!?!?! Got the money, you will be noticed!

  • @nateaguila(69)· 2643d

    Nice comparison. Lots of great points!

    They are definitely running a different direction.

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  • @flemingfarm(81)· 2643d

    Oh great and mighty larimer is showing his true greed these days. He is actively courting the governments with each of his "new" ideas. Voice is going to be a shit platform as long as people are forced to doxx themselves. Maybe he is angling for the snap or insta crowds? In the end it won't matter as Steem will continue on and likely Voice will be just another blip on the radar of social media platforms. I for one still feel Steem is only fledgling and has tons of room to grow.

  • @igormuba(72)· 2643d

    So far, as I can see, Voice looks like another centralized social network. Unlike Steem...

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  • @bluemist(66)· 2643d

    So right about everything, all the more reasons to powerup Steem.

  • @wholeself-in(59)· 2643d

    It's pretty obvious that EOS was going centralized from the start, despite that lower case "d" in front of the apps. And hey, for fans of centralization it certainly fixes some of the problems inherent in decentralization - trades them right in for the problems that centralization creates.

    The only surprise to me is I thought Dan was supposed to be a proponent of the bright decentralized future than blockchain seems poised to enable. I guess in the end he really just wants power and control.

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  • @sergiomendes(77)· 2643d

    I honestly don't mind at all with VOICE I think it sounds good and looks great. What got me turned off it was the fact that it is not up and running in this day they announced. If they haven't hyped so much I would be fine with it

  • @ammonite(73)· 2643d

    Voice is not a competitor to Steem but to Facebook an other corporate social media. Starting everyone out on a level playing field is unfortunately not what Steem did and now new users find it very difficult to get noticed. Voice sounds like it will be good for those starting out on their crypto journey.Having to be doxxed seems to be a price worth paying if it would help give everyone a similar opportunity and combat bots. Time will tell if this experiment takes off.

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  • @heroic15397(62)· 2643d

    I don't think Voice is going after the Steemit social media model but rather after Twitter (that's what I heard). And from reading here how the platform should function, it seems to me like it aims at adressing serious problems within the Twitter ecosystem such as scamming through impersonification of popular people (the classic send and receive more Ethereum scam), being banned as if you are a serial spammer or else with no recourse (it happened to me, I was banned without knowing why and with no possibility to defend myself against no specific wrong doing), and maybe also being an alternative to the censorship culture of Twitter. It could explain why Dan Larimer mentionned Donald Trump who uses Twitter for his POTUS communications.

  • @freddio(60)· 2643d

    thats true

  • @mastersa(54)· 2643d

    Almost everyone I know uses their real info on facebook/instagram/twitter. Why would this be so terrible? If it's trying to compete with facebook I think it's a great project. I'm kind of excited to see if the accountability model takes off.

  • @apshamilton(73)· 2643d

    EOS is a centralized blockchain with a small number of very expensive to run block producers that are vulnerable to government, legal, corporate etc pressure. It’s overhyped and the only real DApp activity on it is gambling.

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  • @foxkoit(76)· 2643d

    I was start what steemit 3 years back, so I want see where steem go ... I'm here 100% in. I not want Voice . I see they use EOS big money to be up this all.


  • @marcusantoniu26(68)· 2643d

    I am gathering information about Voice, and your input is valuable. I will still check it out, though

  • @beerlover(65)· 2643d

    To view or trade BEER go to steem-engine.com.

    Hey @neoxian, here is your BEER token. Enjoy it!

  • @city-of-dresden(68)· 2643d

    good to know that the steem-killer App might not be deadly at all (or at the moment?) for Steem !BEER

    cheers

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  • @soyrosa(75)· 2643d

    You pointes out all the right things in the Telegram group - and helped people realize the freedom we have on Steem in the process ;-) Nice move!

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  • @blazing(71)· 2643d

    Steem is love other crypto are temporary

  • @aggroed(80)· 2643d

    I guess this is what being dead feels like.

  • @geekpowered(70)· 2643d

    Isn't he supposed to be like smart or something? People might blame anon users on the internet for everything...but bullies exist in real life too, and none of them are anonymous. Anyone remember when Google+ was thought to be the social media that would finally kill Facebook? And what killed it? Forcing people to choose real identities and banning users that didn't use real sounding names, the same shit Facebook has pissed off people with for a long ass time. People don't want to always connect their real life identity with everything they might say online. We have no control over who might see it. We can't censor ourselves around our grandmas or the FBI.

  • @buggedout(77)· 2643d

    I'm with you @neoxian 100%

    I was looking forward to the 2.0 alternative, but am disappointed too.

    On STEEM I value my real world anonymity due to the creative freedom and unrestricted speech this platform grants me. I'm not giving that up by doxxing myself so that my government (or other bad actors) can clamp down on me.

  • @xmauron3(63)· 2643d

    Good to read that. I’ve tried to register over there too, and seems like they charge 9 dollars to make an account. I was speaking with my friends yesterday about this, and we all agreed steemit will prevail because of the free sign up option.

    Steemit is true freedom !!!!!!!

    I love steemian culture :)

  • @mjhomb(58)· 2643d

    Actually sorry, I thought I was commenting on someone else's post!

    I would have preferred pseudonymous identity. Kyc is a big hurdle for sure. But aside from that the rewards system dan described sounded very much worth trying.

  • @direwolf(65)· 2643d

    I'm not a fan of revealing my identity either.

  • @mrgreen(64)· 2643d

    on Steemit, and that no one thinks I'm a bot there in chat I said the same thing. They told me that I'm free not to join. I told them Good luck with mass adoption =)

  • @jwolf(71)· 2643d

    Resteemed!

  • @jaynie(77)· 2643d

    Well said!!!!

  • @bitcoinflood(80)· 2643d

    You can't stock up on tokens. U can't buy voice tokens. So if u can't buy them how can u sell them. This platform sounds like shit already lol

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  • @clayboyn(75)· 2643d

    I seriously think they're going to go for fingerprints or facial recognition at this point. The terms they are using make me think this is going to be even worse than KYC. No thanks... Big Brother chain can fuck off...

  • @funtraveller(76)· 2643d

    I'm usually open-minded and grab opportunity type of person (even with the issues that come with it) but, not this one. I'm too busy here in steem(it) to even have the time to participate in Voice. Not for me... ;)

  • @dramatoken(62)· 2643d

    You've got DRAMA. You are going to be a Whale!

    To view or trade DRAMA go to steem-engine.com.

  • @cranium(76)· 2643d

    Thanks for the information. The choice is obvious. !dramatoken

  • @cryptopie(78)· 2643d

    You said it all @neoxin

  • @geekgirl(80)· 2643d

    Yea sounds like not for you. But I am sure there are plenty who will enjoy it. I think it will be another interesting experiment. At least Steem got something out of it. "Don't want to be doxxed?, join Steem" lol

  • @eturnerx(69)· 2643d

    Meh. I bet there'll be black market accounts soon enough. If there's demand, people will sell it.

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  • @anouk.nox(70)· 2643d

    Reading this, I don't think I'm interested to even make an account.. Thanks for sharing!