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@Smooth, fuck off.

Are You a Carrot Guy or a Stickhead?

Downvoting does not aid in reward pool conservation. Nothing can aid in reward pool conservation. Rewards in the pool got programmed to get distributed in full, every day, until 2035, or whenever the devs collectively decide to tilt this pinball machine, whatever this machine may be. It's hard to define what Steem/Hive is (or was) because there was never anything like it in the history of our collective memory.

Year Supply Inflation New Supply
2016 250,000,000 9.50% 23,750,000
2017 273,750,000 9.08% 24,854,398
2018 298,604,398 8.66% 25,854,554
2019 324,458,952 8.24% 26,727,942
2020 351,186,894 7.82% 27,452,027
2021 378,638,921 7.40% 28,004,740
2022 406,643,661 6.98% 28,364,989
2023 435,008,650 6.55% 28,513,181
2024 463,521,832 6.13% 28,431,762
2025 491,953,593 5.71% 28,105,742
2026 520,059,335 5.29% 27,523,204
2027 547,582,539 4.87% 26,675,768
2028 574,258,308 4.45% 25,558,997
2029 599,817,304 4.03% 24,172,733
2030 623,990,038 3.61% 22,521,348
2031 646,511,386 3.19% 20,613,886
2032 667,125,272 2.77% 18,464,106
2033 685,589,378 2.35% 16,090,399
2034 701,679,777 1.93% 13,515,587
2035 715,195,364 1.51% 10,766,608

So what am I getting at? People come to the chain, and they bring their expectations with them. Most of us are market-oriented individuals because the market is what makes the world go around. I won't be so bold to suggest that a "free market" exists anywhere on planet earth today. There will always be forces that tamper with the marketplace, whether they be monopolies or governments.

However, governments are monopolies too. They are a monopoly on the use of force. That said, let's get into the mindset of why people downvote. People downvote because they are lazy upvoters. All downvoting does is slightly increase the value of all other posts that got upvoted.

I won't suggest that overly-rewarded genuine shit posts shouldn't get the downvote. However, when you see that someone has put a lot of effort into their work and you are downvoting because you don't like their content, that is not right, and I think most people agree with this. Many continue to subscribe to Steem's antiquated notion that was Proof of Brain. PoB was this noble acronym which in part, 50% of it, pretended to utilize crowd wisdom.

This bold claim stood largely undisputed and made the concept of PoB infallible in the minds of some of the cypherpunk leet class. These good folks—and I call them "probably good" because there is a good chance they invented this stuff with the right reasons at heart. They fell victim to a classical logical fallacy that is the burden of proof fallacy.

The best way I can explain the burden of proof fallacy is that suppose you blurt something out loud, and it's an assertion. Perhaps nobody responds to what you said, so you come away feeling validated that what you said is true because nobody disputed it. That is a trick of the mind, and just because you do not get feedback at the moment, that does not necessarily make your statement infallible or unassailable.

We see this all the time in the field of science. Big thinkers are thinking big thoughts and saying lots of words and stuff and things. They float an idea, and it stands as "true" because "they are so smart, S.M.R.T., I mean, S.M.A.R.T." But then, as time keeps slipping into the future, the various ideas get debunked, perfected, or redefined in better ways.


Proof of Brain is comprised of two elements.

☑ Rewards incentivize content creation and curation. ☐ A voting system that leverages the wisdom of the crowd.


The reason I'm making this post today is to remind anyone that had the attention span to read this far, that PoB as outlined by the blue paper, does not truly harness the wisdom of the crowd. Crowd wisdom is both adored and marveled at because it gets the answer right damn near every time. However, there is a formula that makes it work. For starters, one is mass participation, and each participant must have an equal say in the matter. And it really is, quite simply, that simple.

Unfortunately, on Steem/HIVE, we cannot conform to that formula because of the code. And I'm not saying that we should code to adhere to crowd wisdom. That alone could break many other things that cause this platform to effectively juice people for their creative content. And I'm not bitching about getting juiced by the platform. This platform has allowed me to grow and develop as a writer in ways that I couldn't have previously imagined.

In all fairness, the white paper does get pretty braggadocious about exploiting Zipf's law to effectively get us to contribute more than we will ever get out of the platform. And all things considered, I'm okay with it because this has been a fantastic learning experience. It has allowed me to grow and perfect my writing. Now, I feel that I'm at a point where I can up and take my skills wherever I damn well please at a moment's notice.

But let's look at these downvotes again, these "market signals," as some affectionately call them. What happens to all those quality content creators who got downvoted because of a disagreement of opinion? I am mostly referencing those who have abandoned their accounts and moved on to greener pastures. Are they still getting challenged to perfect their art every day? How about you? Imagine a world where, if you said something unpopular, someone would walk up to you and slap the smile right off your face for having the audacity to voice your thoughts?

Would a world like that encourage people to grow to their full potential? Would it encourage free speech? What's the best way to inspire individuals to participate in this strange LITTLE experiment that we call HIVE? Should we roam about slapping the taste out of people's mouths who are trying to perfect their art while attempting to shake some value out of this beast of a machination? Or should we be joining voting trails of places that engage in quality curation?

Remember this, downvotes hurt people's feelings and drive them away from the platform. If they are putting forth an effort, then what your doing to their post is probably wrong. All it does is rain on someone's parade and infinitesimally increase the value of posts that people have taken the time to thoughtfully curate. On the other hand, want to do some good here? Want to not be a shit-heel? Want to get gud at HIVE? Then resist the urge to downvote in favor of distributing more upvotes.

The reward pool will empty itself every day regardless of what you do. And by upvoting more posts that are meritorious in your eyes, in doing that, you are spreading positivity and nurturing the good and valuable content creators that make this place come to life.

In the marketplace of social media right now, we have an advantage, and this is because the market is currently demanding censorship resistance. But you and I am talking to you—Whoever you are, you are not helping us to be that place when you downvote posts because you don't like what was said. It's on a par with YouTube's grimy demonetization scheme. YouTube's grimy demonetization schemes are what will help to make our platform more popular. But if we go around doing the same damn thing that they're doing, then we deserve to fail.

In summary, we are all getting juked by this system as it is, by its design. I've been writing here for five years now. I've spent hours and hours on posts and gotten pennies in return for it. Then one day, just the other day, I hit the jackpot and made it to the tippy top of trending. And some fucking prick (@smooth), not to name any names, tells me with his "market signal" that my post is overrewarded. Or that shame on you for being an anti-vaxxer.

No. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on. I don't care how awesome of a coder you are. I mean, kudos to you, good job, and thank you for helping to build this thing. But what do you want it to be? Do you want it to launch, or do you want it to fail to launch? Do you want people to flock here, get good at writing, thrive, and say sweet nothings about us to the world? Or do you want them to get embittered, leave, and tell all of their friends the experiment was a failure? Downvote some of your own god damned posts—you "overrewarded" fuckwit. Or better yet, show us how virtuous you are by sending all of your future rewards to null.

WE, COLLECTIVELY, get to make this thing whatever it will become (or fail to become). But we have to try to foresee what it will be or won't before it does or doesn't. Okay, this turnip is all out of blood for today, but I'll be back tomorrow. Maybe. Big up to tarazkp. Thank you for helping to inspire this post!

P.S. there is no PoB in blindly nulling an account's stake. Nor is there PoB in blindly upvoting, but a large part of this chain is run by curation trails anyhow. There has to be some middle way that doesn't involve randomly shitting on content creators. And please remember, folks, to always be classy and never get sassy! Either that or know your place and shut your face!


Thanks for stopping bye!

Comments · 9

  • @oivas(71)· 1945d

    Don't take it to heart. I think all this happened because of few Steem accounts upvoting your content. The idea was to neutralize their share which was not a bright idea.

    Anyway, if you haven't noticed, few Steem accounts are here to farm Hive while there are few Hive accounts which go to Steemit to farm Steem. Both try to down vote the other. You just got caught in the cross-fires.

  • @article61(71)· 1945d

    Well said! I can’t tell you how frustrating it is to see downvotes, especially ones as heavy as you’ve received. Also, I’m not sure if I’ve ever seen a downvote followed by a comment to explain why it been given and that’s just cowardice in my book. Like you put it, you can do much better by ignoring what you don’t like and concentrate on what you do like. Upvote the shit out some pro-vaccine post and reblog it all the way home, that is a fair reaction. What isn’t fair is running up behind someone a tripping them over with a massive down vote. People like this will ruin hive if they get their way.

  • @jasonliberty(75)· 1946d

    @thoughts-in-time, I he see he gave you another downvote here on this post, this time not possibly for 'excessive rewards'... How much you wanna bet the first was punishment for voicing dissenting vaccine opinion (truth) rather than 'excessive reward'. He's hit my 2 most recent posts, both extremely well sourced and info-packed articles exposing the corona and 'vaccine' scam, so I wonder if it is partial reward policing and part punishment for difference of opinion. In any event, you're right, great post, rewarding good content will do far more to encourage growth here than punishing high rewards. Isn't high rewards to be an incentive to reach for, rather than an accomplishment to bring about punishment? Pathetic people feel the need to use power in such a negative way, rather than supporting content they find to be deserving of high payouts. I wish there was a tool to search for upvote/downvote history, as I'd like to see who this guy upvotes, if anyone. I say scrap the downvote function, before hive is barren of all the good users who flee this negative and arguably tyrannical environment for greener grass. many are leaving because of this, I don't see how this downvote behavior helps anyone, regardless of it being the 'right' of the stakeholder to use their weight for whatever purpose they deem useful...

  • @logiczombie(67)· 1946d

    and you are downvoting because you don't like their content, that is not right,

  • @leprechaun(66)· 1949d

    There is an advantage to getting involved with the POB community. I see you have 31 POB. AFAIK, even someone with a large Hive stake cannot influence your reward in POB. See our discussions on self voting. I don't down-vote people according to their belief systems.

    It comes down to:

    • Fraud or plagiarism
    • Plans for acts of violence

    As long as the hive whales don't buy up a bunch of POB, we'll be okay.


    Posted via proofofbrain.io

  • @scholaris(67)· 1949d

    Yeah, I know your message. Spending hours or days of research just to get, what seems to me, a blind downvote for no reason. When I get an upvote, I assume someone likes what I've written and trusted the quality of my content. The concept is pretty straightforward to me. I'm a little more attentive about the downvote because it does reduce my reward.

    In my comment from tarazkp's post, I added that at least explain why the downvote was issued. If there's a negotiation period, then the person downvoting should explain the reasoning. If I can adjust the content on my next posting I will or just deal with the downvote if I don't agree with it.

    If it's something like you mentioned, then maybe clarify the reasoning. How confusing is it to read that "your rewards are too high" with next to no explanation? I see plenty of postings with significant earnings that aren't downvoted.

    I also noticed that your detractor reviewed your post. It speaks volumes.

  • @palikari123(65)· 1950d

    Lmao. Tarazkp helped inspire this post! That guy is a total clown. Both he, and his boyfriend are clowns. It's a comedy show I tell you. He is one of the guys that has no problem with any of this (and is a part of it, by using indirect methods), because he swims/is part of the collective abuse team, where they get to decide what is, or what is not acceptable content (or comments for that matter, where I was on the receiving end on one of his posts). They get 'others' to do the dirty work for them, so their name is not associated with the direct action.

    The most hilarious and ironic part of this however, is that they circle-jerked with some groups or people, who created content similar to ours during their 'ass-licking' days, to get to where they are today. Isn't that weird? Well, maybe not! Because it makes complete sense!

    However, now that they have so much influence on the brainwashed plebs who visit their blogs, they don't like any real competition to their own regurgitated content that is dressed up as some type of philosophical hub for blockchain newbies...

    C'mon dude, if you want to learn how to be successful on this blockchain, then you must follow and use the knowledge of the Zen master himself. You can have it all, if you just follow all his golden rules, or "commandments".

    Anyway, monopolies are great aren't they? These clowns, are now the official hive "fact checking" department, while at the same time bashing social media outlets like facebook/twitter for their centralisation/censorship. But they are acting in exactly the same way with their actions lmao....They have all that power and stake that is 'centralised' within these 'groups', or 'wallets' that can be used to decide on behalf of everyone else what is or what is not acceptable content. LOL, It's not censorship dude.

    It's still on the chain where nobody can read it, or it has been downvoted off the trending feed so it gets less views. What is wrong with you. That is not censorship man.

    That is the giant pile of crap they spread like a virus to all their followers, and unfortunately they buy it. And we both know the reason why!

    It's too hilarious I tell you. That cognitive dissonance has been deep-rooted into the denial of their own entitlement, while telling all the plebs who dare compete with them, that they are not entitled to anything unless they conform to their own policy's and ideas.

    That is how it all works, after you work your way up the ladder. By inserting yourself into all the special and untouchable circle-jerks, or what they like to call "community groups" aka "curation groups", then you basically are a part of/have a huge influence in all of them, then you have yourself a monopoly on the blockchain and it's perceived policy's. I say perceived, because that is the magic trick here. They spend their entire time on this blockchain, literally trying to brainwash their followers into thinking exactly like them. Unfortunately for their devoted followers, they are being hood-winked into falling for that magic trick. The magic trick that gets them to buy into the whole deal, that mainly benefits them and their special little circle, as long as they abide by the commandments of their leaders, at all times.....or else!!!

    He is basically what I would call, a blockchain televangelist. Uses the same magic tricks as any religious/cult leader to get you to hand over your money (or in this case, votes for life).

    Those guys do not give a shit about any of this...because it is profitable for them to NOT to give a shit about it. He constantly repeats this garbage on a cyclical basis, to make sure he keeps the plebs in line. If you want proof of how effective this garbage is, then read the comments of all their brainwashed followers. They literally go around defending them and their weak philosophical arguments without having any clue of why, they are being hood-winked.

    Stop it with your entitlement! We have a monopoly on the rewards pools here! We are self-appointed spiritual leaders on a decentralised platform!

    This is the mentality that justifies the excuse to remove rewards or punish the efforts of a content creator they either don't like or agree with, or have those rewards returned to the pool and redistributed back to the trending feeds. And those trending feeds are full of their own content/curation content that they are part of.

    No self-interest there!

    The poor plebs will always buy it though, because there is not other way to get their content monetised. It's a vicious circle that leaves them little choice. They need to go to the ZEN master and learn all the golden rules of success!

    I just want to thank them in advance, for the downvote on this comment :)

    https://peakd.com/hive/@frot/how-to-set-up-your-own-hive-curation-trail#@palikari123/re-frot-qoed67

    https://peakd.com/hive-167922/@khaleelkazi/tesla-buys-usd1-5b-bitcoin-apple-crypto-exchange-rumors-circulating-and-the-best-profit-taking-strategy#@palikari123/re-anthonyadavisii-qogh73

  • @ryzeonline(70)· 1950d

    I just read @tarazkp 's post, and your comment over there lead me here.

    I just wanted to say that this is a fantastic counter-point to Taraz's take on things. Really wonderful perspective. Using a 'slap in the face' analogy to explain how good-hearted creators feel when being downvoted is excellent.

    Because that is almost exactly how it feels to me. And so human nature for a person doing their best to create effortfully and honestly, who's suddenly 'slapped in the face', is indeed to 'snapback' rather intensely. And uncalled for downvotes could certainly scare away a significant number of creators.

    Interestingly, I find myself agreeing with both of you. On the one hand, I'd love to see people be emotionally mature enough to realize no system is perfect, humans are flawed, and to take downvotes in stride as they continue to create content with a good heart.

    On the other hand, I'd also like to see people upvoting things of merit, while giving 'benefit of the doubt' to most other content (outside of blatantly obvious trolls/bots/spam). I'd prefer to see people not using the 'power' of their downvote to hurt others, or to 'bury' or 'censor' ideas they simply disagree with.

    I wonder if there's a middle-ground available? A best of both worlds? Unfortunately, the only solution I can think of is to "raise better humans."

    Perhaps too tall an order for our current society.

    Anyway, thanks for all the insight, I really appreciate it.

  • @bashadow(70)· 1950d

    Have you looked at what content @smooth down votes? Have you looked at what content of his he up votes? I looked at his post most of which are his HBD stabililzer post, and all of them are 100% beneficiary to @hbdstabilizer , so he gets no curation from them and is basically burning hive.

    When I see people mention and complain about his down votes, 90% of the time it is because rancho and haejin gave what he considers excessive rewards.

    I see people commenting that he up votes his own comments, but that is pretty easy to check if a person takes the 12 seconds of time to do. (he doesn't that I noticed).

    At the end of the day though when all is said and done, it is his vote and like you, me and everyone else on Hive he is allowed to vote how he feels, that includes down vote.