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Steem Gamblers Association: Introduction Post

SGA Fairbet

Hello,

The Fairbet account is for the Steem Gamblers Association or SGA. Everyone on Steem has a vested interest to ensure scams on the blockchain are minimalized. Gambling takes many shapes and forms. For now, this account will be providing information about Steem based sites, starting with the ones which promise income streams from playing/investing (dividends). Betting is risky, the intention here is not to complain about bad luck-it's to ensure these Gambling Applications do as promised. You can read @crypticat's post calling for the SGA here

Gambling DApps

*If you would know of a site which should be included in future posts or notice incorrect information, please comment below.

Warning! Steem-Bet

https://steem-bet.com?ref=fairbet

Let's start with the worst offenders first. The anonymous individuals behind @steem-bet have been promising dividends for weeks now but say there is a small issue with engineering. They did a Hardfork to their token without consulting anyone; inflating their token, they sold some other SPT tokens without a proper whitepaper. Now they want to leave Steem altogether and bring everyone to a new site ran on Binance Coin. In a Discord a person called Shadowd representing Steembet asked @broncnutz, @fullcoverbetting, @thomasgutierrez, @cryptiat and @donald.porter if we would be interested in laundering money for some random people, Shadowd wanted to buy 50-100k USD in bitcoin a week for cash. Shadowd also agreed that it is difficult to make money following the law. Warning! Any tokens collected could be worthless, they also fake volume, lie and have terrible community management.

Neutral, Epicdice

https://epicdice.io/?ref=fairbet

@epicdice has been paying relatively high dividends as promised for holding their EPC coin because not many have been issued. Remember dividends only come when someone has lost a lot of Steem. Epicdice does as promised here and @blocksensei or @fr3eze is associated with the account. Their promise that EPC token is going to rocket is unethical and they remain completely anonymous because @blocksensei understands that the site he represents is operating in a 'gray zone' aka. it is unlicensed and not permitted in their jurisdiction. The biggest issue with Epicdice is that they are frequently down for maintenance and there are numerous users who complain of extreme unlucky streaks. SGAs Rating remains neutral on this site.

Neutral, Kryptogamers

https://kryptogamers.com/?ref=fairbet

@kryptogames has four games on their site and the best odds so far. 1% instead of 2% house edge on their dice. You will lose half as much money playing here as the two sites above they also offer blackjack and video poker which have even better odds than dice if you know what you are doing. Due to their fair odds and that more of their tokens have been issued, their dividends are lower than the other sites. In the end, you will likely do better playing here as the house always wins. @kryptogames is anonymous but there has never been an issue with dividends, you do have to manually collect them.

The reason for a Neutral rating, as opposed to a positive one, is because Kryptogames has an issue with bets registering. If you play a lot, depending on what device, which game, etc. Sometimes you will send money to them and your bet won't go through, this money is not automatically returned, instead you need to find the transaction record, message them on discord and ask for a refund. I can imagine thousands of Steem has been sent to Kryptogames that hasn't been refunded. They need to fix this issue and players have to watch their bets and be careful.

Neutral, Cupz

https://cupz.io?referrer=fairbet

@cupz is a new entrant to the Steem gambling sphere. They are a promising casino, already offering four games including dice, player vs player 'Cupz', roulette and a yes/no game. Their Discord spokesperson Jonsey is a nice person and the site is too new to comment about anything. The volume is extremely low and any dividend holder could be waiting for a long time to get a payout. So far there are no issues and they have been very fair. Due to extremely low volume and lack of time to establish trust, they have a Neutral rating.

Neutral, Steem-Roller

https://www.steem-roller.com/

The Steem witness @klye created this website (which is down at the moment of posting) there are no tokens to deal with, you can bet on extreme outcomes and you can invest as the house with leverage. It is a unique concept and although there aren't dividends since they offer the ability to bankroll the game we will monitor it. This website is the only one where the creator is not anonymous, there are decent disclaimers or warnings and the developer is Canadian. The site is buggy and very Beta, so a neutral rating remains.

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We were thinking of making a chart and assigning points to these rankings but it is so ambiguous that a warning, neutral and preferred ranking system is best. I will add to this post and update it regularly to keep players informed. Please share any useful information in comments below or on our discord https://discord.gg/xVcubXH If you are connected to a site in any way and think this information is misleading or wrong, we are open to a discussion nothing is set in stone.

I want to invite every single token holder, player, operator, Steemian to follow this account so we can minimalize future exit scams akin to what @magicdice pulled. Please re-steem and share.

Thank you

@superlotto, @bluesniper, @felander, @thedarkhorse, @piaristmonk, @nee-k, @cryptoknight12, @hitmeasap, @tunnaingwin, @theb0red1, @meanbees, @balte, @cryptobro1991, @dera123, @cryptictruth, @jason7282, @manusamlive, @backdm, @okean123, @olegpussyking, @navorn, @thegoliath, @aellly, @duane.dos, @rb3coins, @privatebank, @sourcemechanic, @netaterra, @georgeknowsall, @xyzashu, @sunit, @mcenoramle, @oldtimer, @awesomegames007, @glastar, @cgbartow, @champjus, @etcmike, @drfk, @nanadar, @abrockman, @rawn, @adzrobinson, @cryptopassion, @wylsacom, @supermeatboy, @steemit-legacies, @dalz, @mister-meeseeks, @kaniz, @ekushya, @hotasian, @bafi, @steemshiro, @mcoinz79, @primersion, @ilcreativo, @coinchaos, @stimp1024, @pepperfoo, @aferrell, @rb17btc, @cryptoeera, @gabrielvlad, @khaledmreizeeq, @emrebeyler, @deadspace, @themarkymark, @triplej, @bengdui, @tombstone, @ano123, @lordgod, @parceval, @diehard2k9, @wrecktangle27, @sindong, @pasie15, @access, @taurusheat, @infidel1258, @a0i, @dexter-st-jock, @centering, @rosatravels, @sunray, @allcapsonezero, @jiujitsu, @yangpankil27, @chetanpadliya, @vikisecrets, @forykw, @chriz85, @rhanna10km, @beesteem, @brumest, @equinor, @lovemetouchme2, @elementm, @stabrowski, @satoshibit, @lucasmj, @for91days, @stokjockey, @walterjay, @mfblack

Please note in no way am I suggesting any of the above are affiliated with gambling or these sites and SGA will not Spam tags.

Please share your opinion about gambling and how we should monitor these sites in the future and you're welcome to join our discord https://discord.gg/xVcubXH

Comments · 20

  • @arcange(79)· 2631d

    Congratulations @fairbet! Your post was mentioned in the Steem Hit Parade for newcomers in the following categories:

    • Comments - Ranked 1 with 45 comments
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  • @arcange(79)· 2631d

    Congratulations @fairbet! Your post was mentioned in the Steem Hit Parade in the following category:

    • Comments - Ranked 10 with 43 comments
  • @abitcoinskeptic(75)· 2631d

    Welcome to Steem @fairbret! This is a wonderful service you are offering to the gambling and gaming community here. If I was a dodgy casino operator I would give you a bug fat downvote, but I am not. I do like how younstart most off with a neutral rating. In my opinion a positive rating needs to be earned and operators ignoring soft criticism is foolish. In my experience from customer service the customer is always right. So if they say this site feels unlucky or these operators are mean, thats their valid opinion. 'Show me the evidence or stop lying' is a natural and valid counter, but from the customer's experience you may as well just tell them off and call them stupid. 'I hope your luck changes. No one has show us enough evidence to support that we encourage you to analyse' sounds much better.

    Anyway hope your project works even though I've put away my gambling dice for now.

    Posted using Partiko Android

  • @steemitboard(66)· 2631d

    Congratulations @fairbet! You have completed the following achievement on the Steem blockchain and have been rewarded with new badge(s) :

    You published your First Post
    You received more than 50 upvotes. Your next target is to reach 100 upvotes.
    You made more than 10 comments. Your next target is to reach 50 comments.

    You can view your badges on your Steem Board and compare to others on the Steem Ranking If you no longer want to receive notifications, reply to this comment with the word STOP

    To support your work, I also upvoted your post!

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  • @thedarkhorse(68)· 2631d

    If you are planning to keep tagging people keep me on the list. I don't mind the tag and it will remind me to take a look.

    To talk about streaks is hard as someone that has gambled in most every large casino in Vegas and many others I know that in the most regulated environments the double up until you win approach doesn't work. Odds are all about large numbers and in the short term anything can happen. That said I get why some people feel like the unlucky streaks are a little more then just bad luck.

    Part of this feeling comes from the anonymity of the ownership of sites and lack of any sort of regulation. Due to legalities in SO many areas I can understand owners not wanting to be public with their involvement in these gambling sites. I don't have the solution to the issue, but would love to see conversations on how this could be solved.

    Oh and I am all for Kryptogamers right now. I've played enough rolls there to know that while there are "bad streaks" they are within reason and love the 1% edge vs 2% as it really adds up when you have made multiple thousands worth of bets.

  • @blocksensei(58)· 2631d

    Good write-up but (1)

    Their promise that EPC token is going to rocket is unethical 

There is zero promise or guarantee in the article if you read it carefully, or I assume the unethical is referring to the “clickbaity” title. (2) 
The biggest issue with Epicdice is that they are frequently down for maintenance

If a service keeps going into maitenance mode for bug solving and upgrade. It is a huge green sign for me that rapid development is going on the site and it shows that the team care for a better service. Furthermore, at least 95% of the downtime were scheduled with prior notice in the Discord channel. Will you take a look on the Discord #help channel and check out when was the last time user filed a missing bet complaint? One month ago. That is the result of “frequently down for maintenance”. (3) 
there are numerous users who complain of extreme unlucky streaks.

If this article are deemed to be written from the perspective of a neutral association but not a personal review, I’d call this statement amateur. At least all the other claims in this article were base on fact, but not this one. 

What numbers can you provide to back this statement up? What was the survey model? How many subjects were involved in this survey? How would you prove the “provably-fair” system in the game is not fair at all? What happens if there are another "numerous of players" claiming that have been really lucky on the game? Will it makes the game legit all of a sudden?

    I don’t like the underlying message this statement has been delivered to the crowd, it is suggesting the game is at “potential risk” of fairness integrity without any factual support.

    Regards, Servant of EpicDice

  • @ali.sadiq(50)· 2631d

    Edited as you do not seem to be happy!

    OMG @abitcoinskeptic -I said sorry and you still have problem?

    Posted using Partiko Android

  • @patrizius92(52)· 2631d

    Welcome to the Steem platform @fairbet.

    I am not a big gambler myself but I do see the potential and how it can be fun for others.

    What I think is needed is a lot of transparency, people should know about win% and the like.

    Also if there are scams around we should point them out.

    Good luck to you. 🙂

    Posted using Partiko iOS

  • @ervin-lemark(76)· 2631d

    Followed, upvoted and resteemed. Please, keep me in the loop.

    I am not a big player, yet I do the occasional roll. Like today, for the first time with https://cupz.io?referrer=ervin-lemark (referral link)

    I used to play https://epicdice.io/?ref=ervin-lemark (referral link) yet I had the unlucky streak there, as you've mentioned it. Coincidence or ... ?

    Thanks for your diligence!

  • @tsnaks(68)· 2632d

    Give us an overview on @steemslotgames please They have an interesting conspect, but Idk if it's legit. SteemSlotGames

  • @tuanis(59)· 2632d

    Welcome to steemit @fairbet.

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    Welcome the new steemians. Have a great day!

  • @partiko(66)· 2632d

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  • @sems42(50)· 2632d

    Incredible. So magnificent.

  • @donald.porter(67)· 2632d

    Until we get an AMA or at least KYD on all these so-called 'casinos'— DrugWars is the only game I recommend playing on STEEM. (Splinterlands is kl too, magic cards are just not my thing.)

    First I'm hearing about this money laundering crap with SteemBet 🙄 Haven't paid much attention to them since the daily divs were delayed (for clearly stupid... reasons).

    Recently removed myself from that group and will distance myself (further) from these type of projects all together. Tried KryptoGamers a couple times but then Magic Dice exit scammed and volume there shot through the roof, hardly leaving a chance to get a head start anymore.

    Unlike many people in crypto, I use my real name and try to leverage real connections. Risking that during the bear market now seems like it was a desperate attempt to keep earning. But as we all know...

    https://youtu.be/PzHOahqn2BA

    My suggestion to anyone looking to do Proof of Bet 'mining' for div tokens is to consider looking into other, new ways to generate STEEM dividends ie:

    Not financial advice.

    • Purchasing @tipu and/or similar tokens on steem-engine.com
    • PalNetCoin and/or @WeedCash Staking
    • Promoting Partiko reflinks on WhatsApp
    • Using Share2Steem on IG and Twitter

    Thanks for the mention, looking forward to assist the association any way I can. @crypticat, @fullcoverbetting you guys are off to a great start with SGA!

    #SteemOn

  • @intro.bot(60)· 2632d


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  • @gabbynhice(67)· 2632d

    Interesting and also sad. Why we cant have a normal casino on steem a legit one?

    Honestly i am jealous for other blockchains because they have better gambling sites and also many of them accept more currency or have they own. Maybe after the SMT we can have something similar.

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  • @janne(47)· 2632d

    Welcome to Steemit fairbet. The official FAQ can be found here and has A LOT of information https://steemit.com/faq.html - Also remember, Steemit is just ONE of the sites built that uses Steem the blockchain. You should also check out DTube and DSound for starters and if you're a gamer, Splinterlands! There are many other cool apps but I can't list them all here, there's just too many! But I'd also like to mention Steempeak, it's a better blogging platform that has a lot of cool features. The latest project you should also check as a new member is a palnet! Welcome to the blockchain! :) Oh, and if you're interested in creating your own tokens or smart contracts, check Steem engine!

  • @anonyvoter(58)· 2632d

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  • @esteemapp(76)· 2632d

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