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Psychology Addict # 62 | Joker & Frankeinstein – A Matter of Identity.

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Nobody wants to think how it feels like to be the other guy.
Joker.

Disclaimer – (1) This is not a movie (Joker) or book (Frankenstein) review. (2) This is not a character analysis. (3) It contains spoilers.

My husband and I went to watch *Joker* in the cinema last week. While watching it I couldn’t help drawing parallels between the green-haired clown and Mary Shirley’s infamous character from the book Frankenstein. For, both Joker and Frankenstein were pushed to the fringes of society for not particularly fitting in.

In many ways they equally struggled in their search for an identity. Their (sub) existence are solely fuelled by hopes and dreams, which are painfully shattered over and over again as they journey through life. Joker and Frankenstein similarly look for emotional shelter under the safety of a father figure, also to no avail. Until finally, they both step into a world of distance and darkness.

In search of an Identity.

It’s the interaction with others as well as with the world that builds the basis for an individual’s understanding of who he is. This is a dynamic that largely contributes to an ongoing process of self-identity discovery and formation. And it’s when a person feels such relationships are fragile or broken that feelings of not belonging arise [1].

The thin threads that connected Joker to society were his job and the social service which provided him with medical and counselling support, as he suffers from mental health problems. As for Frankenstein, this thread was a poor family. After a long time observing their lives Frankenstein assumed those people’s unprejudiced hearts would allow them to overlook his ‘detestable figure’ and take him in for the kindness and compassion he nurtured in his soul.

But, sadly, Joker lost his job and social services came to a halt. And the family members stoned Frankenstein and fled after laying their eyes on his image. Upon the realisation of the humiliating event Frankenstein says “when they departed, they broke the only link that held me to the world”.

Restoring Bridges.

Erickson [2] argues that when such connections are broken, stability is lost. Consequently, uncertainty and conflict between the internal and external world of the person arises. Interestingly, though, McLean et. al’s [3] study findings, points to the tendency people have of reconciling the self with the social world when they sense a conflict between the two.

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**A side note:** according to Kozoll and Osborne [4] science can be a means for such reconciliation! As science has the ability to bring people together, connect them to the world and become a perspective from which the world can be seen. Their research revealed, for instance, that through science, students of minority groups (e.g. immigrants) not only found their identity and sense of self, but also meaning and purpose.

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Now, is it possible that some individuals turn to criminal behaviour as a means to achieve such reconciliation? One that grants them a place in the world and a sense of existence?

It was only through committing a murder that Joker became noticed, on being noticed he answered a life-long question: “My whole life, I never knew if I ever existed. But I do. And people are starting to notice". Similar to Frankenstein, who by way of his killings acquired a sense of control, to which he stated: “Beware; for I am fearless, and therefore powerful.”

Madness & Badness.

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If I cannot inspire love, I will cause fear.
The Creature.

From the perspective of others, however, both personages have always had very well defined identities: Joker is mad, and Frankenstein is bad. Schirman [5] explains that those are popular shorthand terms that reflect the general judgement surrounding mental health problems and criminal behaviour.

Joker is a man trying to find his way into society. But, his poverty as well as unique traits (e.g. uncontrollable laughter) greatly hold him back. And the place where he is held is regarded to be one of madness. Of course, psychiatrist Thomas Szasz [6] would fully disagree with this. For, he was sceptical of psychiatric diagnosis.

His argument was that such diagnosis are based on symptoms (e.g. what an individual does and says) only. Something which consequently lends an illegitimate medical approach to psychological differences seen in society. So, he invited professionals to view such distinctions as a result of life’s problems and difficulties. Personally, I am very fond of Szasz’s views (I have my objections to them too, but they’re beyond the scope of this post). Mostly because the way people are viewed by society has a powerful influence on the way they are treated by it.

Social Treatment.

Take Frankenstein, for example. In the book, Frankenstein is actually the surname of scientist Victor, the man who brought this creation to life. But, abandoned it as soon as he “beheld the wretch – the miserable monster he had created.”

Indeed, since the book has been written, the public has addressed Victor’s creation based on moral judgement conclusions. Those who sympathise with it, refer to it as “creature”, “being”. They also excuse its crimes. However, those who do not, regard it as a “monster”, a “fiend” and treat him as such.

Further, it’s important to notice that in the world out there this sort of judgement is largely mediated by who the perpetrators and the victims are (e.g. gender, social role and status). For instance, in Gotham (Joke’s fictional city), when three upper class citizens are killed on the train; even the mayor comes forward on television to voice his outrage. But when Joker is battered on the streets by a group of youths, no justice takes place.

Boduszek and Hyland [7] argue that one of the reasons individuals turn to crime is the presence of an identity, albeit a criminal one. An identity they find after their unsuccessful endeavour in pro-social roles. This is, nonetheless, an argument that begs the question: what explains such lack of success? The answer is clear. The social treatment they received. The day Joker’s counsellor informs him his medication and therapy will no longer be provided by the system he realises that not even she listens to him. At the pinnacle of his despair Victor’s creature turns to his creator and implores an explanation: “Accursed creator! Why did you form a monster so hideous that even you turned from me in disgust?”

I understand that Joker and Frankenstein are no more than the product of creative, fictional work. Nevertheless, they are both cautionary tales. Tales which powerfully illustrate how through humiliation and abandonment society produces its mad and bad.


Image source: 1, 2.

Reference List:

1 Dortch, D. and Patel, C. (2017) ‘Black undergraduate women and their sense of belonging in STEM at predominantly white institutions’, NASPA Journal About Women in Higher Education, Vol. 10, No. 2, pp. 202-2015. 2 Erikson, E. (1950) *Childhood and Society, London, Imago Publishing Company Ltd. 3 Mclean, C.; Lilgendahl,P.; Fordham, C.; Alpert, E.; Marsden, E.; Szymanowski, K.; Mcadams, P. (2018) ‘Identity development in cultural context: The role from deviating from master narratives’, Journal of Personality, Vol. 86, No. 4, pp. 631-651. 4 Kozoll, R. and Osborner, M. (2004) ‘Finding meaning in science: Lifeworld, identity, and self’, Wiley Periodicals, Vol. 88, No. 2, pp. 157-181. 5 Schirmann, F. (2013) ‘Badness, madness and the brain – the late 19th century controversy on immoral persons and their malfunctioning brains, Sage Publications, Vol. 26, No. 2, pp. 33-50. 6 Szasz, T.S. (1961) *The myth of mental illness. New York: Secker and Warburg. 7 Boduszek, D. and Hyland, P. (2011) ‘The theoretical model of criminal social identity: psycho-social perspective’, International Journal of Criminology and Sociological Theory, Vol. 4, No.1, pp. 604-615.

Shelley, M. [1818] (2018) Frankenstein, New York, Penguin. Joker


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Thank you my dear reader, for once more taking the time to read my writings. I’m going to have an extra busy week, next week. So, I won’t be posting on Steemit next Thursday. But, I will certainly be around browsing my feed and favourite tags, during my tea breaks! 😊

Comments · 15

  • @dblog.supporter(48)· 2507d

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  • @scienceblocks(68)· 2507d

    Oh well, after reading your warning about spoilers, I was avoiding to read this. I put it in bookmarks and thought I would after I watch the movie. But then, I don't know when am I ever going to watch it, hence here I am. As usual, loved the article. Makes me wonder about criminal psychology.

    The most intriguing part was how people can justify crime in one situation while gets outraged in another. It also reminded me of Spolsky in one of his lecture saying - its context which matters. Though it left me wondering how context can be manipulated to look evil look nice and vice-versa. Which made me think how crucial role media may play in designing the mass perspective about something.

    Anyhow, really enjoyed this. Thanks once again.

  • @owasco(73)· 2512d

    I remember little of Frankenstein, but I think what I do recall relevant. I very well could be remembering this incorrectly, but here goes. At some point before "he" goes on his violent rampage, he takes shelter in an empty woodshed belonging to a very poor family. He tends them, unseen, by bringing them wood, water and food. He grows to love them deeply and they, without having seen him, appreciate him as well. The time comes for him to be seen but his visage disgusts them so they banish him. I was crushed by this part of the book, as crushed as Frankenstein was. It is possible to find positive meaning through suffering, I was just talking about this with a friend. Poor Frankenstein and The Joker suffered without ever knowing love (not sure about this regarding Joker) and so the meanings they found were loveless. I'm thinking out loud here. It is extremely important to reach out with love and compassion to those who are different, so that the meanings they attribute to their reasons for being CAN include the concept of love. Otherwise, we make monsters instead of men.

  • @joeyarnoldvn(68)· 2513d

    That is a brilliant comparison between these two characters. Beyond that, would you compare Joker to Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde?

  • @agmoore2(64)· 2513d

    Dear Abigail,

    I was so interested in the subject of this blog, that I printed it out. What you get from me now is my immediate impression...but I will be reading some of your sources, especially Kozoll and Osborne. I'd like to understand how science enables someone who feels apart to be reconciled with society. I'm guessing that it is through understanding--of others and the reasons behind their behavior--but that's just a guess.

    I read Szasz, many years ago, and also agree with much of what he says (think: Rosenhan experiment). I'm also familiar with the work of Robert Park. Park (you probably know) looks at marginalization from a sociological perspective. And of course, a struggle with the perception of self has been a theme in great literature. As with Frankenstein and The Joker, working out this conflict makes a compelling story. I think it's compelling because all of us are challenged to accommodate our inner selves with the world. For most people, that challenge is met (generally after a tumultuous adolescence 😁), but sometimes the gulf is too great to cross. From that looming, painful gulf, madness or badness may grow.

    This was brilliant blog. I think you illustrate beautifully how the best art informs us about our own lives--as do your blogs.

    Have a most wonderful day, Abigail.

    From peaceful NY (at the moment), With Affection and Respect, AG

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  • @lemouth(75)· 2513d

    Seeing a movie at the cinema? Something I think I haven’t done for a really long time… :D

    I agree with what you stated. Some people look for a way to get noticed, maybe most people, but I am unsure. Many do not care about it as soon as they have a nice life “locally”. And for those who care, some of them are getting evil. I don’t have any example on the top of my head, but I am sure some criminals are criminals to get their 45 minutes of fame and get noticed… unfortunately for the rest of the society.

  • @holm(68)· 2513d

    spoiler alert in comment

    Also watched Joker recently and it was amazingly well made. (must have been a lot of food in there for you to analyze on?)

    Joker is indeed the incarnation of when society fails, baddies are created. He had such fragile structure around him that the whole thing would crumble in the slightest touch, which it did in a rather dramatic way.

    I mean, getting told you are adopted, misused and hints of why he even have that laughter "diagnosis" is pretty bad stuff. By the time he killed his mother in a rather violent pillow fight you kind of knew he was going to be a problem for society. 😅

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  • @samminator(78)· 2513d

    I've never seen the movie Joker, but the analysis you gave in this post has piqued my interest. I'll go look for the movie.

    Now, is it possible that some individuals turn to criminal behaviour as a means to achieve such reconciliation? One that grants them a place in the world and a sense of existence?

    In my opinion, poverty (or challenges) is never an enough reason to tilt towards criminality. In the pursuit of one's identity, engaging in unwholesome activities has already defeated the aim. Our identity lies within us, and we can only look within to discover it, and not by turning to criminal behaviour (my opinion though).

    Nice piece again Abbey. Hope you're enjoying your evening? Much love from Nigeria

  • @chappertron(67)· 2513d

    Hey Abigail, thank you for the article. Btw. I also want to watch this movie, but I have no problems with spoilers.

    Concerning the problem, you are talking about in the article: "Finding your identity by actions and getting mad or bad if it fails."

    I think the main problem is that most people have the opinion that identity is something they will find someday, for instance by getting a certain job or profession or achieving wealth or whatever. But this is the wrong way and makes them sensitive for horrible developments such as in the case of Joker or Frankenstein. In the end, your identity is already within you and nowhere else. If you try to find your identity somewhere outside you will always be disappointed.

    Everyone is unique and should prevent to be a copy of someone else.

    But if you ask me I would prefer the role of Frankenstein instead of Joker's fate.

    Best regards

    Chapper

  • @erh.germany(68)· 2514d

    No spoiler found :)

    Further, it’s important to notice that in the world out there this sort of judgement is largely mediated by who the perpetrators and the victims are (e.g. gender, social role and status). For instance, in Gotham (Joke’s fictional city), when three upper class citizens are killed on the train; even the mayor comes forward on television to voice his outrage. But when Joker is battered on the streets by a group of youths, no justice takes place.

    I would rather go the other way. The mayor could keep silence about the harmed, because then this silence would be fairly distributed among all. Conversely, it is not possible. When he talks about the one special man, he cannot mean all men. Unless he has the rare gift of not inciting the thought of revenge in any of his listeners' hearts. Those who are unable to do so should rather say nothing and take a more indirect path to allow the city to be a place of peace.

    We human beings always feel the very subtle difference between being and pretence. When we choose pretence, we want justice, when we choose being, we want peace.

    I found your reference to the naming of Frankenstein's creature interesting. So an object whose creator someone wants to be cannot be a subject with its own name worth to him. And so he can proceed with the result as he wants. Finding it beautiful or ugly without granting it anything of its own. It is more a possession. In extreme cases, parents have such a view of their children.

    And then Frankenstein and Joker and all the other characters we can think of are possibilities of subjective expression. At all times, the potential in each of us is to be crazy and bad, as well as clear and good.

    Greetings to you:)

  • @leaky20(79)· 2514d

    Wow that was incredible. I haven't seen the joker yet but it sounds really good. Your interpretation and analysis, not on the character, but on the behavioral psychology of the joker and its relation to society is so interesting. The parallels you draw to Frankenstein were really facinating as well especially at the articles conclusion. I had never thought of it that way - i.e. people turning to crime to gain a sense of identity after being rejected by society. Facinating. That was probably my favorite article that you've written to date. I mean, they are all great but this one really spoke to me. I'll probably be thinking about that one for a while. Well done!

  • @lucylin(72)· 2514d

    Just a quickie!

    I wonder if the 'crisis in identity', - which seems to more of a westernized issue I think - has anything to do with the 'taking of religion' in peoples lives...?

    When people had some omnipotent being to look over them , both to be benevolent, and cast judgement - and these were instilled throughout society to everyone from a very young age - then an identity was created with your relationship with your maker. (by default, I suppose).

    You 'knew' who you were in the grand scheme of things.

    Without a 'god' of some description, you're left with an identity that's totally reliant on other people, rather than some omniscient presence, with which you create your own identity with him/her/it as being the reference point.

    Take away that spiritual framework, and people are left with a vacuum with no reference point. And nature hates a vacuum.

    it's not too good an explanation of what I'm trying to say - but I'm sure you can join the dots, and get my point. I'm waffling, I'm tired, but you know me...can't keep quiet. lol (I might get back to ya on this one.lol)

    I hope everything is all well with you, and Mr. a-d, over there.

  • @gentleshaid(75)· 2514d

    Interesting read Abii. I have neither watched joker nor read Frankenstein but the way you analysed both gave me an insight. I think social justice is just a term, we as human might never get to that level of maturity with constant pursuit of materials, luxury and power. Have you read about Abraham Maslow's hierarchy of needs?

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