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This Is Probably the Time to Experiment

PeakD's new DHF proposal is live, but as I write this it is not funded. Not even close. Not a complaint, just the reality in front of us.

Hive is in a rough market. Crypto in general is in a rough market. Funding is tighter, attention is lower, and everyone is a bit more careful with resources. That is understandable.

But it also means we need to be honest about what comes next.

For years we have tried to build and maintain one of the most complete apps for Hive offering all features for free.

That was the ideal. But free does not mean costless. Servers cost money. Storage costs money. Databases cost money. Maintenance costs time. Every new feature, every Hive hardfork, every dependency update, every browser change, every API issue, every bug report, every feature request, every support message, every edge case has a cost somewhere.

When the DHF supports the work, that model can make sense. When that support is not there, or is much less certain, we need to experiment.

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A Strange Kind of Freedom

This is probably the only time where we have the freedom to try to shake things up.

That may sound strange. Usually less funding means less freedom. In many ways that is true. We have less room for long roadmaps, less room for slow decisions, and less room to maintain every old assumption just because it used to work.

But there is another side to it: when the current model is not working, there is not much to lose by testing new ones.

I do not want PeakD to slowly become a project that only maintains what already exists, avoids every difficult decision, and waits for better market conditions. That is not how products survive. It is also not very interesting.

So going forward we are going to try things.

Some of them may be rough. Some may be unpopular. Some may break something for a while. Some may upset people who are used to PeakD working a certain way.

That is not me saying I want to be careless. It is me saying that the next phase probably needs faster iteration than we have done in the past.

We need to find out what people really value, what can help pay for the work, what should stay broadly available, and what parts of the product are used mostly by heavier users who may be willing to support them directly.

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Premium Features Are Coming

One of the experiments will be a stronger premium model.

That means some things that PeakD has always offered for free may move into a paid or premium tier. And new features may be introduced that are only available to premium users.

I know that can be uncomfortable. I also know some people will disagree with where the line is drawn. That is expected.

But we need to be practical. A product like PeakD cannot keep expanding, maintaining everything, absorbing infrastructure costs, and supporting power-user workflows forever without a reliable funding model. If the DHF is not enough, or not available, then the product needs other ways to support itself.

The goal is not to make PeakD expensive.

The goal is to keep it cheap, useful, and fair enough that people who get real value from the product can directly support the project.

The Proposal Still Matters

The DHF proposal still matters. If you have not voted yet you can do it here: https://peakd.com/proposals/382

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If you think PeakD and the Peak Open projects are useful to Hive, voting for the proposal helps. It gives us more room to maintain the core work, keep infrastructure healthy, and make decisions from a stronger position.

But I do not want to write this as if everything depends on the DHF.

Whether the proposal gets funded or not, the message is the same: PeakD needs to adapt.

The market changed. The funding changed. The tools changed. So some assumptions probably need to change as well.

Give feedback. Be direct. Tell us what feels unfair, what feels useful, and what you would actually pay for. We will listen, adjust, and keep moving.

Let’s start this weird little new chapter together, and thanks for sticking with us so far.

Comments · 18

  • @hivebuzz(74)· 51d

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  • @lordbutterfly(80)· 51d

    Merge with Ecency into 1 frontend and open source your stuff. Use Peakd backend since Peakd works better than Ecency in every way. There is zero reason theres two proposals for two of exact same frontends to be funded by the DHF.

    There is also zero reason for Peakd not to be opensource. Claiming someone will steal Peakd code from outside of Hive is absurd. Only Ecency might steal it.

    Launch your own token. Release premium features. Post promotions you pay for via token payment. Launch a proper algorithm. A proper algo is worth more than either peakd and ecency combined now. No algo, no proper content discovery. Work to pass the 5 second test. Fix onboarding funnel.

    Cut 50%+ of your current tabs. my lists, feeds, curated collections, badges, explore, all the different versions of the same thing in relation to content in your dropdowns. all that merged inside the algo. Create a collection of posts? Ai generator? All this stuff can go. My blog, all my posts breakdown is super unintuitive. Turn the new frontend into a proper social media site, not a Hive power user tool.

    All you need is 3 tabs on landing page.

    Blogs/Short form content (pick one)/Your feed.

    Thats it.

  • @acidyo(84)· 55d

    I've been a fan of experimentations lately. :D

  • @thekittygirl(74)· 55d

    I was one of the first adopters of your dApp when it was launched on our "legacy chain" in 2018. I clearly remember when Ecency was only a mobile-app with no website, and we only had steemit.com (yuk) and busy.org for front-ends on web browsers. Steempeak was truly a game-changer (no exaggeration!), and has only improved over time!

    So many groundbreaking features have been added to PEAKD over the years — the ability to "Vote As..." rather than having to "Switch Account..." so much, the ability to "Validate Keys" in Keys&Permissions, the ability to stake Hive-Engine tokens from our PEAKD wallet instead of having to login to the Hive-Engine website, and so much more! Even when something breaks (such as this text not being justified even though I added the `ᴅɪᴠ ᴄʟᴀꜱꜱ="ᴛᴇxᴛ-ᴊᴜꜱᴛɪꜰy"` CSS callout), one can hardly complain about such glitches with all the richness in other areas of the dApp!

    I desperately want to see PEAKD survive, and thrive! Even if we have to lose a few bells-and-whistles to keep the dApp's development & maintenance affordable (for you), so be it. Even if it has to switch to a Freemium model where paying users help support advanced features, so be it! Just please keep it going, someway, somehow!


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  • @shiftrox(78)· 55d

    I think the idea is valid, something needs to be tried to get rid of the DHF for good in my opinion. In addition to the premium subscription, why not perhaps offer something like a "battle pass" that we have in games? You can implement it by having free and premium tiers, which in this case would be purchased, to gain XP you would do missions like, daily check-in, votes, comments, post on snaps, reblogs, that kind of thing, as you level up, you earn something, free tier provides fewer rewards while premium you always earn something at each level or every 2 levels, something like that.

    These prizes can be different things: L2 tokens, HP Delegation for NFTs, like, a lot of things can be put up as prizes.

    Anyway, I think that a "battle pass" where you have a discrepancy between free and paid tiers, could be a good thing, I know I didn't exactly talk about the peakd premium but I think this idea can help you too, along with a peakd premium that can have N more functions too.

  • @rainbowdash4l(71)· 55d

    I liked the old days on XMR reddit where project funding was just opened and filled by the stakeholders within hours (with individual contributions) when they thought it was a good idea.

    This required projects to detail the requirements for each goal and how the project would benefit from it. But also created a sense that everyone was at least partly responsible to the chains success.

    As an experiment - I would be curious by this method which goals would be funded.

    The subscription method (pay to use) also makes sense to cover expenses

  • @cwow2(73)· 55d

    Maybe start changing a small amount of picture uploads if thats so expensive. Just saw some people commenting about it.

  • @grindle(79)· 55d

    I think I am ok with the principle of premium; if it is something that would be of use/interest to the way I blog. So it is good if the premium is selective a pick and choose if you like. I couldn't see me paying for a premium for stuff like 3 speak or any of the games on here as they do not interest me.

    The overall downside maybe that noobs may be driven away as would the low value accounts and the premium would be reliant upon stronger accounts to support the infrastructure. An analogy similar to taxing the rich to pay the poor.

    You don't make the poor richer by making the rich poorer.

    Or am I barking up the wrong tree?

  • @forkyishere(69)· 55d

    I am not opposed... There is plenty of "healthy" competition already, so having a bit more freedom these days makes a lot of sense to me for "turning the page" onto something that can benefit the future of your project.

    I understand that for some, "bumpy business" mode might create roadblocks and/or make people go away, but in my view, and especially in today's AI life, it's a necessary way to "live" in order to quickly fast track a model that is sustainable long-term.

    And I am going to be honest. I am in favour of DHF funding development, but I am against it supporting maintenance of projects for the very long term. Even so, I supported your proposals for a very long time, because I really enjoyed the format of the development.

    I think that by adding features that captivate web2 people who already pay for them on web2 is a really good segway model to follow, while still maintaining the basic "freedom" features already supported by Hive. That creates a differentiator model without having to remove access to stuff that is already "free" by nature of the blockchain.

  • @davideownzall(74)· 55d

    I'm ok with this, but the user base is so little, who's willing to pay within those? Some might just change front end...

    As for image storage, what if instead of stare the image somewhere, you encode the image as a string in the post or comment and then decode when showing it on frontend?

  • @godfish(78)· 56d

    Would you, perhaps, consider having ads for selected accounts? We picked Peakd as the front end of our choice for @dead-pets; the strips have backlinks here. And as the comic gains traction outside Hive, we would love to somehow redirect the traffic (perhaps add floating elements with the characters suggesting to support the authors by creating an account /that's kinda overkill for now, we're far from being there yet/) which would quite likely be atypical for Hive standards. Likely way higher share of people from rich English speaking countries given the nature of the comic.

  • @sagarkothari88(78)· 56d

    PeakD has probably received funding support longer than most Hive frontends. One thing I’ve often wondered is whether a portion of that funding could have been consistently placed into HBD savings over time to gradually build long-term self-reliance. Sustaining development without predictable funding is difficult, and I completely understand that pressure.

    Premium features are definitely one path forward, but I also think we should focus on solving infrastructure problems that affect the entire Hive ecosystem.

    The Universal Problem: Storage

    Storage is one of the biggest recurring costs across Hive applications.

    On @threespeak, Snapie, @meno, and similar platforms, users often give only a 10% beneficiary while receiving effectively lifetime storage.

    Now imagine a user uploading:

    • 3 GB gameplay videos
    • multiple uploads every week
    • content that receives little or no engagement

    That model becomes very difficult to sustain because storage costs are recurring, while post rewards and beneficiaries are unpredictable.

    The same issue applies to:

    • video hosting
    • image hosting
    • media backups
    • AI-generated assets in the future

    Beneficiaries alone are not a sustainable long-term storage model.

    Tagging @ecency, @peakd, @rishi556, @beggars, @elmerlin, @gtg, and other active Hive builders because I think this deserves a broader ecosystem discussion.

    My Suggested Direction

    Instead of every dApp independently solving storage, maybe Hive should move toward a shared storage layer.

    My recommendation:

    • Use IPFS-based storage infrastructure
    • Offer a free storage tier by default for Hive users (for example 500 MB — exact limits can be discussed later)
    • Beyond that, users pay based on usage, similar to Google Drive or Microsoft OneDrive
    • Multiple Hive dApps could build on top of the same storage layer instead of duplicating infrastructure costs
    • Advanced users could still self-pin their own IPFS content if they prefer not to upgrade

    This creates:

    • predictable infrastructure costs
    • sustainability for developers
    • flexibility for power users
    • less dependency on donations or funding cycles
    AI Features

    For AI-related usage, I completely agree that paid or premium models make sense because AI costs scale directly with usage.

    I think storage and AI should be treated separately:

    • storage = infrastructure sustainability
    • AI = premium compute/service layer
  • @rishi556(72)· 56d

    I’m honestly still shocked that image uploading is provided for free, that can’t be cheap to keep everything around forever, right?

  • @meno(80)· 56d

    I tempi duri creano uomini forti, gli uomini forti creano tempi buoni, i tempi buoni creano uomini deboli e gli uomini deboli creano tempi duri.

  • Maybe peakd breaks ground in integrating on-chain with traditional social networks? So both on-chain users and traditional users have an easier time being active in both places.

  • @seattlea(77)· 56d

    With the Hive user base so small it is going to be really hard to replace DHF funding...

    One cool feature that should be easy to implement using AI would to give incentives for new Hive users to be more active like Ecency does with their points system. I know that doesn't help with funding...

  • @livinguktaiwan(81)· 56d

    I think that's where the consensus was pushing for, to be self funding and not rely on the DHF.

    There are things on peakd that I'm not a fan of, AI being the main one. My position on that for Hive is very clear. I'm pretty sure people use the prompts in the tools to spam AI generated comments. The point of consuming content on Hive and increasing engagement is to consume and digest it yourself and not get someone else to do it for you. Translation being the exception. That is useful.

    One thing that I think would be very useful is photo layout templates. Sara did a post before for the markups for multiple layouts, that was very useful but we still have to add the markup ourselves. Having that built in the editor would be great, eg we upload say 5 images, and the editor puts it in a nice layout for us automatically. That will save me so much time

  • @cwow2(73)· 56d

    What about thinking about reintroducting some kind of ads for non premium users?

    I know you tried this before.

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