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Zypto × Hive Integration Proposal: Full Suite of Global Financial Tools

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This Hive service development and financial expansion proposal is being made in partnership with and on behalf of Zypto (@zypto) by @crimsonclad.

Zypto is your all-in-one crypto wallet app and crypto payment gateway – built for life, business, and everything in between.

We’re so pleased to introduce you to their team and services on the @zypto account! I've been working with the Zypto crew over the past few weeks to help them understand the great fit between their products and goals and Hive's incredible users and ideological foundation. This is an integration that creates an awesome match between a mix of super useful services and a passionate community looking for as many options to use their permissionless digital funds and rights as possible. Please get to know the Zypto crew (leave them comments or feel free to ask questions here on the proposal), give them a follow on @zypto as we work together to build out a social community here on the chain, and then continue onward to review this upcoming proposal for details on integration work to bring HIVE and HBD to Zypto’s full service suite of financial and crypto tools.

E: We'll hold a short recorded AMA session on Friday June 27th in the Hive Discord Server

🟩 Principals

● Organization: Zypto ● Official Hive Accounts: @zypto @zyptopay @zyptoapp ● Zypto Co-Founders: Joe Parkin & Zyptologist ● Funding Recipient Account/App Integration: @zyptoapp ● Communications Account: @zypto

🟩 Integration Proposal Overview

To continue expanding Hive’s reach in the global payment arena, the financial options that are opened up by integration with Zypto are a huge step forward in creating more avenues for Hive users to both accumulate and use their assets in new ways. Direct fund management for buying, selling and swapping; a range of both virtual and physical prepaid crypto cards in reloadable and non-reloadable options, each with different KYC requirements; direct bill payment in 10 countries, including recurring options; and continued Hive expansion for upcoming Zypto products in the future. With the implementation of Hive, Zypto will work to build a decentralized custodial system so that HIVE and HBD can be accepted as a payment method across the entire Zypto product suite including Reloadable Cards, Prepaid Cards, Bill Payments, and much more.

This proposal will cover full $HIVE and $HBD integrations to the Zypto Crypto Wallet App, Zypto Payment Gateway, and Zypto Card and Product Markets. As Zypto expands their offerings, the Hive ecosystem will grow alongside them. We’ll be exploring more social and technical integrations as well as co-marketing activations across various social media.

An extended note from Zypto

Hey Hive community!

First off, it’s been great to see the buzz of interest around Zypto’s grant proposal, as well as the overall healthy, constructive discussion going on. That’s what defi is all about and we love to see it! Communities working together to find a consensus is the essence of what blockchain and Freedom Money is all about.

We can’t wait to integrate Hive into every corner of the Zypto ecosystem and for us to get to know each other much better.

Also, an apology for not having been able to keep on top of all of the comments and questions. On one hand, there’s a bit of a learning curve we’re going through to keep track here on top of all the many many platforms we’re already active on. On the other hand, we’re 24/7/365 BUIDLing, of course!

As there appears to have been some confusion regarding fees for some of our products, below is a breakdown of the current fees for each product. – and where Hive‑exclusive perks could slot in.

Going back to the learning curve issue, the idea was to put all this in here, but it includes tables, which we haven't figure out just yet, so here's a link to a Google Doc:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WOmN35feE-izH_kZ__PbvzauXEpn_9fW/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=102031745174575262993&rtpof=true&sd=true

🟩 Budget & Roadmap Overview

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Rough roadmapping is approximately 6 weeks, subject to change as building and testing are completed, with two engineers assigned to the integration. The proposal payout period is set to span the course of 4 weeks, with funding to begin starting on June 23rd, 2025 if passed.

  1. Creating the backend infrastructure required to connect to the necessary RPCs to receive blockchain data for app usage.
  2. Implementing the necessary functionality on the frontend side to interact with the blockchain which will include the preliminary features:
    • Send
    • Receive
    • Swap
    • Buy (Selling potentially possible before or after integration completion, based on partner provider activity)
  3. Build out a custodial service on the Zypto merchant side to allow for the usage of $HIVE / $HBD to: purchase and load Zypto VISA Card, pay bills, purchase prepaid cards, purchase vault key cards, and more products down the line
  4. Internal QA, Internal Acceptance, External Beta Testing Go-Live & Marketing

🟩 Total Budget Requested: $20,000 HBD

Some answers that have come up to common questions on the proposal:

On self custody, in relation to concerns new wallets would need to be created for service "Zypto App is a defi wallet and payments app. The only somewhat centralised part is for us to accept payments for our prepaid payment products (cards, gift cards, bill payments...). So, basically, users' funds remain their own on-chain until they choose to send them to us in exchange for a way to pay for stuff"

On the older whitelabel (custom boutique card product for in-house crypto companies) fee graphic "That's not the cards that are in the app. It's one that we have as part of our white label offering for other companies to use and it's also quite popular with let's say "big hitters" in the crypto space. The ones in the app have different pricing."

On card fees in general "The fees on the cards in the app are 3.5%. That's it.

It seems the wrong card program is getting shared.

In any case, it's important to remember that this Zypto is not just 1 card program. It's a next-gen defi wallet + an ever-growing suite of payment options."

On funding "The funds will pay for developers that are being taken from other projects to prioritise Hive as well as subsequent maintenance, marketing and activation activities. We don't just want Hive users making use of Zypto, we want other Zypto users - past and present - getting to know Hive."

Funds will cover scoping and work to add Hive’s unique L1 to Zypto’s crypto services, with a portion of the funds being powered up to Zypto’s exchange accounts to allow for unlimited transaction coverage as well as social rewarding power. The budget requested not only includes the integration of HIVE/HBD, but also includes the required funding to upkeep the integration moving forward. After the funding is complete, Zypto will take on the financial burden of keeping the Hive integration functional.

Transparency updates at completion of each stage of the roadmap will be posted to the @zypto account as the disbursement period continues.

Comments · 49

  • @urun(69)· 88d

    Well is cool but can you put a link to their website service? I think that would make sense?

  • @josepimpo(73)· 417d

    Nice. Let's see what we can do with my ATMs and POS. Saludos

  • @angeluxx(74)· 425d

    Thanks support

  • @zypto(57)· 430d

    Hey Hive community!

    First off, it’s been great to see the buzz of interest around Zypto’s grant proposal, as well as the overall healthy, constructive discussion going on. That’s what defi is all about and we love to see it! Communities working together to find a consensus is the essence of what blockchain and Freedom Money is all about.

    We can’t wait to integrate Hive into every corner of the Zypto ecosystem and for us to get to know each other much better.

    Also, an apology for not having been able to keep on top of all of the comments and questions. On one hand, there’s a bit of a learning curve we’re going through to keep track here on top of all the many many platforms we’re already active on. On the other hand, we’re 24/7/365 BUIDLing, of course!

    As there appears to have been some confusion regarding fees for some of our products, below is a breakdown of the current fees for each product. – and where Hive‑exclusive perks could slot in.

    Going back to the learning curve issue, the idea was to put all this in here, but it includes tables, which we haven't figure out just yet, so here's a link to a Google Doc:

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WOmN35feE-izH_kZ__PbvzauXEpn_9fW/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=102031745174575262993&rtpof=true&sd=true

  • @alex-rourke(74)· 432d

    This is a great initiative and I'm all for it. Fully support your content and proposal.

    People want choice.

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  • @enginewitty(78)· 435d

    What ten countries are on the slate initially?

  • @nanixxx(76)· 436d

    ¡Happy Hiversary! 🥂✨

    Honestly, I haven’t had much time to properly read through the proposal, but I will… thank you! And happy 8th anniversary on Hive... celebrate it!

  • @sorin.cristescu(74)· 438d

    Here's a bit of "Zypto sleuthing" for those who want to know more about the company and the people behind:

    https://peakd.com/zypto/@sorin.cristescu/zypto-sleuthing

  • @jocieprosza(68)· 438d

    Hey @crimsonclad, I don't know if the proposal will get voted through, nevertheless if @zypto are willing to integrate despite the proposal failure, I will commit all funds raised on @cube4stake account. The project was going nowhere either way. ~$120 is more than $0

  • @vimukthi(76)· 439d

    Outside partnerships like @zypto are very important for us to break out of the silo. Most people on HIVE do not realize that there is a massive divide between them and the normies. I feel like HIVE is like the Linux community. We need to do things that cater to normies even when those things are more expensive. Imagine forcing everyone to use a CLI whenever it is more efficient than a GUI. Instead of learning CLI, most people drop Linux.

  • @thebighigg(78)· 440d

    I love the proposal, it adds great options to our community and makes Hive more visible. It's really a great idea, thanks for sharing it with everyone. It has my support, I just voted yes!

  • @hivebuzz(74)· 440d

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  • @pizzabot(60)· 440d

    PIZZA!

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  • @sirsmokesalot96(65)· 440d

    !PIZZA !LOL

  • @itsmary18(66)· 440d

    We have different options to choose but the only thing I've learned was choose the right decision that doesn't harm us or make a bad results for us. Seeing this was also the best option we choose right? How I wish I can joint that.

  • @iamlovelykate(72)· 441d

    I am so interested in crypto and exploring new apps, this sounds pretty exciting, Integrating Hive with Zypto could make it easier to manage digital assets and use them for everyday stuff like bill payments and even getting prepaid cards

  • @tobetada(77)· 441d

    Expensive, but I think worth a try

  • @marilui91(66)· 441d

    Thanks for the information. Best regards.

  • @havandris(64)· 441d

    What are your fees? How can we get the card? Ships globally ?

  • @aftabirshad(54)· 441d

    Well Done

  • @theguruasia(69)· 441d

    $WINE

  • @zypto(57)· 441d

    Thank you for your brilliant proposal post, @crimsonclad

    We'll do our best to keep up with everyone's questions, doubts and comments and we're looking forward to buidling together.

  • @detlev(82)· 441d

    simply a no-brainer - VOTED

  • @darkflame(70)· 442d

    Fascinating! Looking forward to seeing a working product. But for 20,000 HBD, please show how the funds are actually used. ie receipts :)

  • @starkerz(73)· 442d

    While this is a great initiative, I would advise putting some evidence in the proposal that a tender was done to compare several cards to ensure this money goes to whichever provider will get hiveans the best rates on their crypto purchases and cards and swaps.

    The ideal deal here is zero installation costs and a fee to the provider on swaps only (while I know that this is an unlikely scenario, it’s what we should be hoping to get towards to ensure we spend our money on the cheapest possible, technically acceptable service).

    So would be good to see what deal other providers are willing to provide us before we spend any money on this great initiative

  • @paasz(57)· 442d

    Will it be open source?

  • @techcoderx(67)· 442d

    Interesting proposal. I have a feeling there are more questions to be asked than answers. Will they be leveraging lite accounts (i.e. VSC or the upcoming HAF one) for the wallets?

    decentralized custodial system

    No idea how this could work, "decentralized" and "custodial" does not sound compatible with each other.

  • @lordbutterfly(80)· 442d

    Couldnt we do something like Nexo did? Partner directly with mastercard and visa.

    These fees seem high but if you take into account, trading and transaction costs to get to what I use now, a crypto.com card, its still a bit too high but manageable. Id need to check what the numbers are.

    I know mastercard has a crypto card program. Visa has a debit card program.

    Im not exactly sure of the cost, compliance might be an issue but i dont think its over 50-100k and we could set fees and everything.

  • @onezetty(68)· 442d

    Amazing, I love it!! 😃

  • @dobro2020(68)· 442d

    looks awesome, i would like do some contributions with the frontend :D

  • @hivebuzz(74)· 442d

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  • @offgridlife(74)· 442d

    I’m all in on this one…

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  • @manuphotos(74)· 442d

    Love the idea, but I think we can also explore other options since I already have a virtual VISA debit card that I can charge with HBD. It can be linked to Apple Pay/GooPay, and you can use it almost anywhere. It is also way cheaper than what I am seeing in some comments.

    Besides that, I am currently contacting several card issuers that allow crypto to bring this to the Hive ecosystem. One of them is a contact we made two months ago during the Talent Land event in Mexico with @starkerz that can cover Visa and Mastercard globally. Nothing wrong with Zypto, cause we surely need more options and this would add value to the chain.

    I haven't made this public because I haven't got all the necessary information, and we need to go through more steps before setting everything up. But the first card I mentioned can already be purchased by anyone with almost no KYC (email, phone, and telegram only) required, and again, by using HBD to set up the card and charge it. Only virtual for now.

    Can I contact you with more info about this on MM to exchange ideas?

  • @nathen007(73)· 442d

    This would be a great use of DHF funds. The company appears very professional and forward-thinking with a complete and integrated suite of products. All the people complaining about the costs, have you actually looked at the cost of the Google and Apple Pay virtual card? Its acquisition and use cost is nothing, and at the end of the day, everyone uses their phones to pay rather than a physical card.

    Finally, a real-life crypto integration project with genuine utility and massive growth potential. What's not to like?

  • @cryptoandcoffee(85)· 442d

    Good idea, but just too expensive to use and there are so many other options out there that are so much cheaper.

  • @oasiskp2(68)· 442d

    This is worthy of throwing a weight on !ALIVE !INDEED

  • @offgridlife(74)· 442d

    $ 20,000 is peanuts.

    I could fund this myself.

    I vote Yes.

  • Is this going to be instead of Transak?

  • @offgridlife(74)· 442d

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  • @alonicus(72)· 442d

    Is the end result going to be fee-free for Hive users ?

    As a matter of principle, I can't bring myself to vote for a proposal which takes funds as a grant from the DHF (i.e. the money we all jointly own if we've ever bought any HIVE) and then charges for the service it delivers without any mention of repaying the DHF.

    In terms of a business plan, I'd love to see a bit more detail. What does success look like, over how long and how is it measured ? Is the 20K requested just a finger in the air, or is there a breakdown of how it's going to be spent ?

    Finally, how is this going to be marketed ? What will it do to persuade non-Hivers to come onboard and become active users ?

    Sorry if this is a lot of questions, but I believe strongly that the DHF is giving out too many HBD, and we should only be supporting proposals that have a really great business case which demonstrates how it'll improve Hive adoption in a cost-effective way. There's no point building wonderful tools for their own sake if adoption is only measured in the hundreds of users.

  • @pokermaria(63)· 442d

    These are the cost and fees of a physical debit card! 🤣👍🤣

    And they still neeeeeeed money from Hive... 🤣

    I have no idea how much the rest transactions cost, but I know a dozen similar kinda never going anywhere kinda crypto apps, card providers...

    Seeing this, only the bill payment by crypto option can be interesting, but I highly doubt it is cheaper than using other services, otherwise this zypto would be a well known name in the space.

    Obviously nobody will use it, as it is out of mind expensive.

    So just wasting another 20k. Let's do it guys! GL! 👍

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  • @thisnewgirl(70)· 442d

    i think this might be good to show more ppl ab hive :3 so why not

  • @chiddy(60)· 442d

    20k HBD is a lot, remember that after this any member of hive who decides to partake will have to pay 3 HBD That's a no for me, I love the services they render but we don't fit into their system completely

  • Any project that gives more exposure to the Hive blockchain and makes Hive and HBD available to the masses with more use cases is surely welcome

  • @mahdiyari(73)· 442d

    Are they aware that Hive doesn't have paper wallets and they have to pay 3 HIVE fee for each non-custodial wallet they create for Hive?

    This is their current system. They have to design a custodial solution specifically for Hive and I don't think that would work with their current wallet design.

    Currently you create a crypto wallet in their app to hold your crypto and then pay for cards using those crypto. So to make Hive work with this design, they have to spend 3 HIVE for every user downloading the app and somehow derive a username from the mnemonic seed phrase. Of course this is a bad design but this is the only way I can see it working.

    I personally don't think this is worth it. There are other services that provide similar non-kyc services that Hive would fit their design better.

  • @alienpunklord(67)· 442d

    Although my participation is small, I will support it.

  • @palasatenea(60)· 442d

    What would be the 10 national coins accepted?. The budget it's a bit steep or is it just me?.