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'Cancel Culture' And The Parameters Of Free Speech on LeoFinance - Is Something Amiss Or Am I Missing Something?

A couple of days ago I came upon a discussion thread in the comments section of a post on Leofinance which made me pause for considerable thought. I will summarise the exchanges below and link to the original. This post is pitched at a general level and I am therefore avoiding naming the active participants as the issues I am raising here are not about individual personalities. They are to do with the undefined 'parameters' of what is 'allowed' to be said on LeoFinance. I'm not calling for 'action', 'change' etc. I just wish to raise 'awareness' about these concerns.

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The core issue is a version of the 'Cancel Culture' that is to be seen on much of the mainstream media and the big social media platforms. Basically, someone perceives transgression/offence in the actions/words of another, experiences a strong negative reaction and seeks to publicly punish/harm/ostracise the offender. When the initial action is picked up by others in the space, the offender is effectively 'cancelled' - removed, silenced.

This phenomenon clearly has a highly subjective component and is therefore widely open to interpretation and potentially, manipulation. There are instances where a group may not wish certain subjects to be discussed, or where certain things are seen as instantly offensive - and are so to some/many - and people get banned. There are also instances where loaded labels of the sort that lead to bans are thrown around and it is not clear how they apply to what is being said. No explanation or evidence is offered and the 'offence' is not self-evident. This amounts to an effective 'hit and run', relying on the label to be effective on its own at triggering similar feelings in others and getting them to join in the 'cancellation' of the 'offender'. It is this second case that my example refers to.

Summary Of 'Cancel' Discussion Example:

A user commented with the following meme on a post by Khal. You can read the entire exchange in the comment section here.

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In response, someone from the LeoFinance community commented that this was 'anti-semitic claptrap' and downvoted it. Additionally, the OP and an associated BIG account downvoted the user such that the account reputation reached near 0. You can read this person's perspective here.

A second person then commented in support of the meme not being anti-semitic and they in turn posted a meme that refers to the weaponisation of the term 'anti-semitic', but is not itself anti-semitic in any way that I can see. The meme, IMO, illustrates the point this person was making about how the label 'anti-semitic' has often been used to silence questioning or challenging of powerful vested interests and how these same dynamics were being employed here.

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Back came the Objector to these memes with another label of 'anti-semitic' directed at the second person (whose perspective on the matter you can read here). On top of that, the Objector went on to suggest that this second person go on to create a "community of anti-semites on Hive". To me this 'suggestion' appeared to be a crass and baseless attack which assumed a narrative that could not possibly be derived from the interaction without resorting to distortion.

Basically, it seems to me that a fantasy was created around a knee-jerk reaction which lead to a wrongful misapplication of a loaded and sensationalist label: 'anti-semitic'.

In the instance of the first meme, the only reference that can be construed as 'Jewish' is the name 'Rothschild'. However, the content of the meme has nothing whatsoever to do with this particular aspect of the man, nor does it ever mention his race/religion/ethnicity. To infer such a bias from this starting point is surely to take a leap into a kind of paranoid fantasy.

In the second meme the words 'anti-semitic' appear as spoken by Jesus, himself a Jew. As far as I can see, there is nothing offensive going on here. The 'dual-citizenship', even if it does refer to 'Israeli-US' duality and thus hints at the influence that Israel has on the US political system, well even if so, is this really saying something offensive about people of the Jewish faith? Is it not a fact that Israel has tremendous influence in the US? Where's the anti-semitism here folks?

In my comment on the post I invited the person who objected to the memes to spell out why they consider the memes to be anti-semitic. So far I have not had a response. This illustrates a 'hit and run' example - drop a stink bomb and scarper!

So why am I bothering to write a post about this? Shit happens all the time right and folk hurl words at each other... it's the immutable blockchain, we have guaranteed freespeech....right...?

....to some extent AFAIC, and this can potentially be limited (to a greater or lesser extent) on a second-layer community such as LeoFinance! There are two additional factors that prompt me to bring this issue to the attention of the community at large:

  1. the person who objected to the meme and offered up the label of 'anti-semitic' purported to speak for the community to a greater or lesser extent. This can be seen from the language used by them in the exchanges.
  2. two of the large downvotes are from Khal (@khaleelkazi and @leo.voter). If this were Hive, ie not Leofinance.io, the issue would be different for me - downvotes are a personal matter AFAIC. However, being a community, an ecosystem in itself, a sub-layer of Hive, there is the possibility of exercising a certain amount of censorship regarding what does and does not appear on the LeoFinance interface. Given that Khal is top guy here - CEO effectively - downvoting the meme sends out a signal with regard to what content will not be tolerated. It also sends out a message that the 'cancel culture' is being tolerated on LeoFinance. It seems fully possible that the label of anti-semitism was taken at face value leading to the downvote - ie without investigating if it were accurate or not. It is possible Khal thought the meme he downvoted to be offensive and there is no such oversight. I'd be interested to know his considered opinion. I am calling Khal by name as this (for me anyway) goes straight to the top and I've always had respect for his way of interacting and his sense of balance. These downvotes seem to be excessive, and more so, worryingly pander to stirrings of the 'cancel culture'. I say this with respect to him and I know he is busy atm, however, I do think this is something worth (re-)considering. Either way, I have pulled my delegation to leo.voter for now, following the example of at least one other, as I do not wish to support this kind of action.

Personally speaking, I consider the LeoFinance space to have aspects of 'private ownership' that Hive does not. As such, rules can exist or be brought in and if one doesn't like these 'rules', one is free to leave - this I know.

I hope I have expressed my points clearly - this and suchlike can be sensitive and emotive topics. I know it is possible that offence may be taken but please also demonstrate to me where it was intended in what I have said and also how it was offensive.

I'm raising the rather awkward subjects of the bounds of free-speech, the silencing of alternative voices and narratives, the self-righteous weaponisation of language and the issue of Cancel Culture. These are topical issues in the world at large as the macrocosm smashes into the microcosm and we are faced with choices that may well have significant implications for the future.

What say ye?

Thanks for reading 🙏 Barge (@krunkypuram)

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Comments · 16

  • @palikari123(65)· 1942d

    Great post, and well written! Thanks for the tag in your comment, which lead me here to read this.

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  • @opidia(67)· 1990d

    Ask @theycallmedan what he thinks of that 😉

  • @opidia(67)· 1990d

    Why sharing this at the end ?

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  • @opidia(67)· 1990d

    wow i am shocked , those are not our deepdives friends for sure . Each time i tried to chat in their discord , i am just ghosted or bullied . I am very impressed the way you write , it is so nice to read , with so much class in your expression . I dont have that perfect english language to write this level of articles , but what a nice moment for me , thank for sharing and taking the time to do so .

  • @frankbacon(66)· 1995d

    HIVE!D

    All aboard the Culture Cancel

  • @hive-118554(71)· 2004d

    I went to the @barge account to find your "eyes" post and got completely sidetracked! 🤣

    This cancel culture is something that been on my mind of late and you've pulled up a great example right here. Much of the issue seems to come from perspectives which lead to misunderstanding. Is something an insult if you aren't even aware it's an insult? How may innocuous words will we have to change, because the meaning of it has been changed to an insult in someone's mind? A recent discussion is happening on a friend's Facebook page around whether we should call "breasts" "chests" in order to be more inclusive. If a word that innocuous can cause offense, where does this end? Perhaps we should abolish language altogether.

  • @thatgermandude(67)· 2020d

    As a German I should maybe give my 2 cents.

    First a point for the downvoters. The optics of the first meme are very reminiscent of NS Propaganda ETynpCeXYAIx8L4.jpg

    I cant really find it but I think there is one that is even much more similar.

    Now a point for the Rothschild Conspiracy, I was introduced to that by left wingers as an anticapitalist, antioligarchie thing, not a world wide jewish conspiracy.

    Reading your post you seem to be a little naive when it comes to anti-semitism. It mainly focuses on there being too much influence by the jewish community and forcefully wanting to put an end to it. It is not really about racial discrimination.

    With all that said I was actually believing the Jews control the world for a long time, which I am not allowed to say out loud in Germany. I would like for people to be still able to do that on hive and Leo.

    Personally Ben Shapiro changed my mind. I love that guy and while I disagree on many things, I surely do understand and respect the Jewish mind set much more thanks to him.

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  • @hivebuzz(74)· 2022d

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  • @oldoneeye(60)· 2022d

    Come join Hive/Leo, where 1 downvote will destroy your rep and can 'mute' you. It will also remove any incentive you have to comment, participate, create, engage, and well......I'm sure there are plenty of other great things!

    Yes, no problem recruiting new blood with 'Features' like this!
    Bring your friends!

    /sarc off

    Thank you for your concern krunkypuram. A very clear and concise summation.

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  • @frot(70)· 2022d

    Haven't we seen this approach somewhere before?

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  • @frot(70)· 2022d

    That is a great summary - I pulled my 50k delegation to Leo-voter because of this and have mostly stopped using the Leo front end (I'm only on it now because your link came here)

    To me this is full on censorship, and if it starts with this it will soon escalate further as we have seen on nearly every other social media platform.

    You are very measured and diplomatic. I wouldn't be myself - this bullshit pisses me off!

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    Something tells me you won't be getting a $10 payout on this post :)

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  • @the-bitcoin-dood(72)· 2022d

    This has been an ongoing debate since the "other" blockchain days. The voting system is in some ways a form of censorship if it is abused. For the most part though, it's community policing. It seems to work well on spammer accounts and does seem to handle the riff - raff. Abuse does happen from time to time and accounts have been singled out.

    Cancel culture is an issue and I do think something should be done about the powers whales have with their downvotes. I don't think CC has a place on HIVE.

    I would love to see a system where if 100 people liked the offending post, a single downvote from a whale shouldn't be able to destroy the thread or the post earnings. The voting system could definitely use improvement. I'd also like to see a system to block people from your content. If someone is constantly downvoting your material, it's obvious they don't like it, I don't see the problem with blocking them so you don't have to offend them anymore. Problem solved. This also works the other way where I would be able to block subject matter I'm not comfortable with. That's how freedom of speech works. You're free to voice your opinion, I'm free to ignore it! I generally only downvote blatant spam and scammy behaviour, but I'd have no problem blocking content I'd prefer not to see.

    Simple answer to all this.... There is no simple answer. The current system is the best we have and beats just having your account deleted or canceled one day because you said one thing off color. I would love to see a serious discussion voted on about changing the voting system to prevent abuse though. There is definitely room for improvement here!

  • @leo.voter(55)· 2022d

    We really didn't look much at all at the situation. Downvoted because it was entirely irrelevant to the actual content itself.

    I think too many people take downvotes as a personal attack as opposed to what they are literally intended to be: a disagreement over the content, context or rewards (or all 3) on a particular post or comment.

    Just as you are able to vote who you want to vote and post what you want to post, others are able to downvote what they want to downvote.

    The beauty of Hive is that all of the actions live on the base layer of this blockchain. That means that regardless of what you do, you can't be censored in any wa on the blockchain itself. a UI can remove you, another user can downvote you, etc. but your content/actions can't be removed from the blockchain.

    LeoFinance is meant to be a place for crypto/finance content and discussion. If something is on there that doesn't fit this description, anyone on the site can downvote it.

    Again, people take downvoting so personally. If downvoting becomes an attack vector: i.e. we take leo.voter and start downvoting every single post and comment that someone makes regardless of what they say because we don't like them - then I would be concerned about the use of downvotes... This happens frequently on Hive but never happens with this account, so I am not concerned.

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  • @cryptosneeze(63)· 2022d

    Considering this platform constantly claims to be anti-censorship this concerns me.

    I am not going to wade into the above memes. Let's pretend there's a more clear cut case of an account posting content that is racist/vulgar/offensive and 99% of readers just plain old don't like it.

    That's what the down vote and ignore feature is for. You're telling the author your view of the post, and as you disagree with their views you've blocked them so they'll never get your upvote, even if they post content you'd agree with.

    That's how far it should go.

    By going through their past articles and down voting you're effectively deplatforming. Something that isn't anti-censorship at all.

    Being pro free speech is not easy. I hate seeing anti-vaxxing posts and covid denying but I don't down-vote. Why? Because they're entitled to their opinion no matter how stupid it is.

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  • @creativetruth(71)· 2022d

    The Rothschild's dynasty are not exempt from scrutiny because they are Jewish.

    When you draw the conclusion that ALL Jews are to blame for evil bank systems, that would be a racially hateful remark. To claim the Rothschild's are evil scum because they are Jewish, that would be racially hateful as well.

    If I told people JP Morgan raised my interest rate to on my credit card to 36% without my consent, that is not a racist statement. It's true.