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I Love Philosophy. I Just Don't Think I'll Ever Become a Phil Bro.

I've made no secret of the fact that I enjoy philosophy. I've read a fair bit over the years, listened to countless talks—not just the TED variety—and I've always enjoyed anything to do with metacognition. Thinking about how we think.

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It wasn't until relatively recently, though, that I started participating in an actual philosophy community. It felt like the natural next step.

Now I'll show my cards and admit that, overall, the experience has been great. I've learned a ton, which was the whole point of the experiment. But I've also come to a rather comical conclusion.

The "phil bro" stereotype is... kind of deserved.

For a long time, I thought the insult was mostly a sign of laziness. Learning the language of philosophy can be overwhelming, after all, and I assumed people simply gave up too quickly.

I don't think that's the problem anymore.

Deep in the trenches of philosophy, everything becomes complicated.

Drinking a glass of water is suddenly a battleground between utilitarianism, materialism, and free will.

It sounds like I'm exaggerating, but only because you haven't had the "thirst debate" with a phil bro yet. You don't yet understand that free will is an illusion, your desire for water is merely a deterministic illusion of agency, and hydration is really your negative utilitarian bias rearing its ugly head.

Okay, I'm being ridiculous.

But as they say, there's always a little truth hiding inside the joke.

The other day I decided to tune into one of those high-level philosophical discussions—the kind that, I imagine, is the intellectual equivalent of watching two chess grandmasters play each other.

It started well enough. A bit of small talk. Some harmless groundwork.

Then, gradually, English—which I like to think I speak reasonably well—ceased being a language and became a delivery system for increasingly elaborate labels.

"Materialism necessarily entails the ontological foreclosure of counterfactual moral substrates, rendering utilitarian calculus epistemically self-consuming in any universe where free will is phenomenologically emergent but metaphysically derivative."

As you might imagine, that was roughly the point where I began tuning out. I sought refuge in deterministic computer code instead—the kind that requires no debate and compiles or doesn't.

I can't help but laugh.

It almost feels like its own art form: saying an incredible amount while somehow making it impossible to connect any of it to real life.

No praxis, as the phil bros would probably say.

So yes, I'll happily continue reading philosophy. I'll keep questioning assumptions, arguing ideas, and thinking about thinking.

But I don't think I'll ever graduate to phil bro.

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And honestly...

I'm perfectly okay with that. Also, imagine me having arguments with my wife like a phil bro. I think she would kill me.

MenO

Comments · 9

  • @pizzabot(60)· 49d

    PIZZA!

    $PIZZA slices delivered: @filoriologo(1/15) tipped @meno

    Join us in Discord!

  • @waleedraza(59)· 56d
  • @sagarkothari88(78)· 57d

    At first, I couldn't understand. So, I read again. But no, it didn't help. So, I translated it to Hindi. It gave Hindi words which I never heard before. It's like you're reading lawyers or doctors book for the first time. I'm gonna skip this one. Sorry mate.

  • @filoriologo(75)· 57d

    Philosophy is my Roman Empire; even though I technically didn’t finish my bachelor’s degree in philosophy (I dropped out in the 8th semester), the philosophical spirit is something that stays with me. It’s great when I meet people who are interested in philosophy. Although I haven’t written about philosophy here in a while, it’s something I plan to pick up again.

    I don’t know if I can be considered a “phil-bro.” I’d have to check the criteria.

    It’s absolutely true that the language of philosophy can be overwhelming, but that stems from the premise that philosophy seeks to complicate things in its effort to think through the obvious—the everyday.

    Philosophy is amazing, and I think that, deep down, it allows us to retain our capacity for wonder.

    Cheers!

    !PIZZA

  • @por500bolos(68)· 57d

    "Materialism necessarily entails the ontological foreclosure of counterfactual moral substrates, rendering utilitarian calculus epistemically self-consuming in any universe where free will is phenomenologically emergent but metaphysically derivative."

  • @bushcraftbites(60)· 57d

    So many tend to follow an already established train of thought and even for those who don't and mix it up a bit are rarely unique. When I was younger I went head on into Philosophy for a few different reasons. As I've gotten older, having the same arguments over and over has just gotten too damn boring and hardly worth my time. The same rebuttals that no matter how much evidence is given to the contrary will rarely change another's mind. It's simply best to read and ponder on one's own and come to our own conclusions. If we are lucky we find those who, even if we disagree can humor us in a way that helps our own philosophies to evolve forward

  • tbh I have never seen a compelling argument against determinism. I've seen folks throw around terms like Heisenberg uncertain / quantum mechanics but they never seem able to explain how those things actually give them an out for their supposing they possess the power of contrary choice. It's almost like a sleight of hand.

  • @storicious(68)· 57d

    Being a student of Literature, I can somewhat feel you. Somewhat? Yes, because, after some time I have realized that I cannot use such philosophical elements in the society I live. Even, the class I was attending was just a mere systemaic follower. There is a syllabus, and you are bound to follow the damn syllabus. You cannot write outside the box, and then they have guts to call it Philosophical teachings. Throughout my graduation journey, other than two lecturers, there was none to let us think outside the box. "God is Dead", of course, Nietzsche meant in some other manners not in literal manners, but the professor said do not say that just because we have some extremists in our class. Okay cool! Later on, I joined a study circle, and it was the bestest decison of my life. Initially, the talks led toward nihilistic vibes. I started with, "Waiting for Godot", and we debated for a month about it. We still do. However, at that stage, I realized one thing: philosophical stuff and the actual world "around me" is so different. Because in practical, I cannot quote or discuss a philosopher's ideology because one wasn't perfect, says a layman who spend his whole day scrolling reels. Skipping forward, nowadays, I do read philosophical stuff. But, not the way, I used to like I was so enthusiastic in the initial days. I am still in the circle, but I rarely make arguments.

    In the end, I don't want to keep on bragging for long. I am just trying new stuff with literature; however, I believe, literature and philosophy coexist. No matter how hard I try, I will always keep on asking questions. Read literature; think philosophically. It's better to die questioning, then to find answer for everything. Like there is any answer :)

    And I forgot the most important part: arguing with the wife and that with philosophical stuff? Even thinking such thing is a crime 💀. But yes, you can use this line: "O, she doth teach the torches to burn bright!"

    Good Luck!

  • @ankalagonchik(57)· 57d

    Feel Bro is the way tho