Hi Everyone,
In this post, I want to theorise what may become of many Western countries after they collapse. Western countries have dominated the world for a long time, European countries for centuries and the US since World War 2. A collapse of the scale we are witnessing would be far more significant than even the collapse of the Soviet Union in the early 1990s. There is no realistic modern-day comparison for a collapse of this nature. Even the Roman Empire took centuries to collapse. The current collapse of most Western countries is moving at a much faster pace.
I provide further context to the collapse of the West in several recent posts. I strongly recommend reading these posts to gain a more meaningful understanding of the content of this post.
In my post, Pay More Get Less, I discuss the collapse of almost every area Western Governments are involved in despite rising taxes and increasing debt.
In my post, The Weaponised Taboo of Racism, I discuss how racism is being used as a weapon to turn people against each other. This reinforces the arguments I make in my posts, The UK is on the Brink – Part 3: Racism, Far Right, and My Conclusion and Global Collapse – Part 5B: Global Civil War.
In my post, Global Conflict and Replacement Migration, I discuss the possibility of war in Europe, which could cause the flight and death of thousands, even millions, of native Europeans. I also discuss mass immigration into Europe and the plan to use immigrants as replacements for the native Europeans.
In my posts, Multi-Tiered Society – Part 1: Engineered Two-Tiered Society and Multi-Tiered Society – Part 2: The Real Multi-tiered Society, I discuss how society is tiered and how the elites distinguish themselves from the other classes. The posts discuss how they maintain control and power over the classes despite being the minority. The restructuring (destruction for most people) of the West is a method for them to tighten their grip on power.
In my post, Deliberate Incompetence as a Cover for Self-Destructive Policy, I discuss how Western ‘leaders’ are using the excuse of incompetence to cover for their plans to destroy their own countries.
In 2023, I discussed the collapse of the West in some detail in my series Global Collapse and even in 2021, I discussed the collapse of the West in my post, A Possible Grim Reality. Over time, my feelings regarding collapse have gone from a possibility to almost imminent. It now feels like a matter of time. It could still be decades away or as close as just months.
A Possible Picture of the Future
There may not be any modern-day examples of a collapse of this nature. However, I believe there are a few examples of countries that have suffered some form of collapse that might provide some idea of what failed Western countries may resemble. For this post, I have considered four countries that have experienced both economic and social turmoil. These countries are Venezuela, Ukraine, Lebanon, and Iran.
Venezuela
I picked Venezuela because of its prolonged economic stagnation followed by roughly a decade of economic collapse. This collapse has become apparent from the crashing GDP and GDP per capita and a significant number of people fleeing the country.
The figure below shows stagnation of real GDP per capita from 1980 to 2014. After 2014, GDP per capita fell by around 70% in under a decade.
For Western countries, besides the dip in real GDP per capita at the beginning of the Covid fiasco in 2020. Real GDP per capita has risen quite consistently since 1980. See the figure below.
The rise in real GDP per capita (real GDP divided by population) does not take into consideration where this rise is occurring. Since 1980, in the US, productivity gains, which are the growth of output, have largely gone to businesses and not workers. See the figure below.
Real gross hourly wages for most European countries have fallen over the past five years. For the UK, average disposable income has stagnated for almost two decades. See figures below.
The stagnation of wage growth in the West resembles the stagnation in real GDP per capita of Venezuela prior to collapse, which occurred in 2014. In Venezuela, the dramatic fall in real GDP was caused by hyperinflation. The hyperinflation was caused by excessive creation of money, which deflated the value of their national currency (i.e., Bolivar). Hyperinflation continued with the introduction of sanctions that cut Venezuela off from global oil and financial markets, thus greatly reducing demand for its currency.
In 2014, Venezuela increased its money supply by about 65% (Wikipedia). The Venezuelan Government pumped their newly created money straight into the economy, thus creating immediate inflationary pressure.
Western countries have also significantly increased their money supplies but have not experienced the same extent of inflationary pressure.
The US increased its money supply by 47% during the Covid fiasco period in 2021 (Economics Help). Low demand during the Covid fiasco did not cause high inflation. However, the increase in money supply created greater inflationary pressure a couple of years later when demand began to increase as economic activity returned to normal.
The US is shielded to a certain extent from inflation, as the US dollar is the world’s reserve currency. This has kept demand for the US dollar high. The US is at the heart of the global financial system, making it immune from financial sanctions from other countries. A financial collapse of a similar nature to Venezuela is not possible.
European countries do not have the same financial strength as the US. They are greatly dependent on US financial markets and the US dollar. The supply of the euro has increased by over 50% in the past eight years (Trading Economics) and the supply of sterling pounds has increased by 30% in the past six years (Trading Economics). This increase in money supply is considerably lower than that of Venezuela and was increased primarily during a period of low demand. Hence, this increase in money supply has not caused hyperinflation. European countries have not been impeded by severe sanctions. However, its sanctions on Russia have caused fuel shortages that have added significant inflationary pressure.
European countries' capacity to increase tax revenue has been greatly diminished. For many European countries, tax rates are at record highs. Further increases to tax rates are unlikely to increase tax revenue because they are substantially reducing economic activity. An increase in the tax rate will lead to a larger proportional decrease in the tax base (see Laffer Curve).
Declining infrastructure and Government services ensure European countries will continue to increase Government expenditure. If they are unable to fund this expenditure through increased taxes, they will fund it through borrowing. This eventually leads to monetary easing and depreciation of currency. This eventually results in inflation and may spiral into hyperinflation. Mass immigration and the collapse of supply chains from fuel shortages from disruptions from wars and the fallout of wars will likely add even more inflationary pressure. The extent of inflation for the worst-hit EU countries is unlikely to reach the same extent as Venezuela, but the drain in wealth from wealthier Europeans emigrating could be as devastating to GDP per capita as the inflation in Venezuela.
The collapse of the Venezuelan economy has triggered an exodus of people from Venezuela. Many of them have left to become refugees in other countries. These include their neighbouring country, Columbia, as well as other nearby South American countries such as Peru and Brazil. Almost a million have gone to the US (Migration Policy Institute).
European countries could be facing extreme economic decline, social unrest, and possibly a major war. These factors are likely to cause a mass exodus of people from many European countries. The richest Europeans are already fleeing Europe. Hundreds of thousands of millionaires fled Europe in both 2025 and 2026 (Henley and Partners). The wealthiest Europeans will leave first, and eventually the only remaining Europeans will be those who are unable to leave. I doubt many will leave as refugees.
Ukraine
In the years following the breakup of the Soviet Union. Ukraine’s economy was wrecked for a few reasons. Such reasons include the breakdown of former Soviet Union supply chains as well as excessive printing of money, which led to hyperinflation. Printing of money was considered necessary to cover widespread corruption. Oligarchs drained state wealth by acquiring assets at extremely low prices. This caused an economic collapse that lasted a decade. See the figure for the collapse in GDP per capita.
Even after the disastrous 1990s economic collapse, people continued to leave Ukraine. The economy was recovering, but the standard of living remained low. Ukrainian people had better opportunities elsewhere so they continued to leave. See the figure below.
Ukraine’s problems continued with the contested 2004 Presidential Election. The losing candidate Viktor Yushchenko claimed that his opponent Viktor Yanukovych had won through election fraud. The US Government supported these claims. USAID and NGOs organised and heavily funded large protests to overturn the election results. This movement became known as the Orange Revolution. Their efforts were a success. The results of the election were annulled, and the elections were rerun. This time, Viktor Yushchenko won the election. The excessive interference from US and British intelligence agencies, USAID and the NGOs had significantly shifted public opinion against Viktor Yanukovych (Libertarian Overwatch).
Viktor Yushchenko was the pro-West candidate, and Viktor Yanukovych was the pro-Russian candidate. Ukraine had become important to both the West and Russia. The West, through NATO, was expanding their influence eastward towards Russia. Ukraine was the largest, in terms of population, of the former Soviet States. It also shares a long border with Russia and has a close geographical location to Moscow. Kyiv (Kiev) is significant, as it was the historical capital of the Russian lands.
Both the West and Russia had strong incentives to influence the election. It appears that the West were much more successful in their attempt.
Many Western countries wanted Ukraine to become a NATO member, but this could have led to serious tension and even conflict with Russia, which European countries were unwilling to risk at that point. The Ukrainians from East and South Ukraine strongly opposed membership in NATO, as they did not perceive Russia as a threat. Therefore, NATO membership was not feasible at that time.
Ukraine did not prosper under Viktor Yushchenko. The economy remained stagnant, people continued to flee, debt rose sharply, and he was involved in corruption scandals. He was the most unpopular president in Ukraine’s history.
Viktor Yushchenko did not run in the 2010 Presidential Election. The West did not have a strong candidate to push in this election. Viktor Yanukovych ran again and won. This put an end to talks of NATO membership. The Ukrainian economy started to show signs of recovery, but this came to an end with the second colour revolution known as the Euromaidan.
The West wanted to bring Ukraine into the European Union. The proposed EU–Ukraine Association Agreement was a pathway to bring Ukraine in. Yanukovych decided not to sign the agreement. The pro-West Ukrainians were displeased with this decision, and this led to protests. The NGOs took advantage of this sentiment to spread the protests and increase their magnitude and impact.
The protests turned into violent clashes with the police. This eventually led to the overthrow of Yanukovych. This was the beginning of the war in Ukraine. Crimea was taken over by Russia, and an uprising began in the Donbass, which wanted to break off from Ukraine. I have discussed the Ukraine-Russia war in several posts, most recently in my post Global Conflict and Replacement Migration. This post contains references to elaborate on the above points made.
It was not until 2022 that Russia intervened by attacking Ukraine directly. From 2014 to 2022, Ukraine improved its military with the help of NATO. During that period, the West had close to full control over Ukraine. Most of the pro-Russian Ukrainian citizens in the east could no longer vote. This guaranteed that pro-West candidates would win all elections. Ukraine was a vassal state to the West, and their leaders were their puppets. Ukraine had become a powerful proxy to fight Russia.
Ukraine has fought against Russia since 2022. NATO has continued to provide Ukraine with financial aid and weapons to continue fighting the war. The war has completely devastated Ukraine. Its economy has been destroyed, and its population has shrunk by at least 25%. Since the start of the war, tens of millions have fled as refugees. See the figure below.
The statistics on Ukrainian war casualties have been heavily censored. This has been done to support the propaganda that the West is winning the war. In 2025, there was a reported leak that the number of Ukrainian casualties exceeded 1.7 million (Xcitium). If that was accurate, it is likely that the number of casualties is now well over 2 million.
If NATO becomes directly involved in the war against Russia, it is likely several more countries will find themselves in a similar position to Ukraine. Unlike Ukraine, there will not be a struggle through colour revolutions to take control. Most European countries are already vassal states to the EU, which is subordinate to the US Establishment.
Most EU leaders would willingly send their troops to fight Russia even if they are inadequately trained or lack weapons and ammunition. The Baltic States would probably be the first to join the war. They could be joined by the bigger European powers such as Germany, France, and the UK. The consequences for all these countries would be catastrophic. Their populations might be somewhat sustained by mass immigration from Africa and South Asia. Europe might become war-torn and unlivable for Europeans, but it will still be an improvement over many African nations.
Lebanon
The combination of mass immigration and war could lead to rapid and substantial change to population demographics. Hence, many European countries could face a similar outcome as Lebanon.
In the 1930s, Lebanon was a predominantly Christian country. Approximately 70% of the population was Christian (Persecution). Even in 1960, just over half the population was Christian. Now it has been reduced to less than 30% of the population, and Muslims make up over 60% of the population. See the figure below for the consistent rapid decline in the Christian population in Lebanon.
The decline in Christian population has occurred for a number of reasons. These include emigration of Christians, low Christian birth rates, high Muslim birth rates, predominantly Muslim immigration, and the arrival of predominantly Muslim Palestinian and Syrian refugees. The figure below contains the population growth trends in Lebanon.
For decades, prior to 2013, population growth in Lebanon has been low and consistent. During the civil war of the 70s and 80s, there was a high level of emigration of Christians and a high level of immigration of Muslims (ECSPE). This does not show up in growth rates, as they were partially offsetting.
In 2013, Lebanon’s population jumped because of a large number of Syrian refugees. The years following 2013, Lebanon suffered from economic decline. See the figure below for trends in GDP per capita.
As a result of economic hardships and the changing demographics, many of the skilled Lebanese emigrated to places where they could find work and attain a higher standard of living. Their departure has caused even more damage to Lebanon’s economy.
The ongoing war between Hezbollah (Shia militia/terrorist group) and Israel has continued the decline in Lebanon’s economy. It has caused mass displacement of people from the southern warzone (AP News). Lebanon’s tourism industry has been completely devastated (Yahoo). Agriculture and commerce sectors are not faring much better.
Lebanon’s military is weak and incapable of containing Hezbollah’s activity. Lebanon’s Government has been weakened through decades of corruption, rendering it incapable of proper governance. The chances of another civil war in Lebanon are reasonably high (SGT Report).
Like Lebanon, many European countries have experienced a significant decline in the proportion of their population that are Christian. In 1986, 86% of the population of France identified as Catholic. In 2021, it had dropped to 47%. In 2011, 60% of the population of the UK identified as Christian. In 2021, it dropped to 46.2%. In 2011, 78.4% of the population of Finland practised Christianity. In 2021, it dropped to 67.7% (Brewminate). The practicing of Islam has significantly increased in Europe. In 1980, there were fewer than 100 mosques in Europe. In 2026, there were approximately 20,000 mosques in Europe (My Christian Daily).
Many Western countries are experiencing a growing sectarian divide. This is fuelled by rapid demographic change from mass immigration from countries with vastly different culture and values to the Europeans. This is further fuelled by Government policy and media propaganda (both right- and left-wing). The cost of living crisis and failure of social and public institutions are pushing native working-class and middle-class European populations closer to poverty.
The anger and dissatisfaction has led to mass protests across Europe. Many of these protests have become violent, and riots have broken out. We could strongly argue that France is experiencing serious civil unrest, and other European countries are not far behind. The anger appears to be from both native Europeans and immigrants. This could escalate to conflict between the ‘left-wing’ and ‘right-wing’ factions in Europe. It is possible it could even lead to civil war in some countries.
European Governments may choose to direct anger towards other countries such as Russia, which could lead to war with them. A Lebanon-style collapse appears quite likely for some European countries.
Iran
This brings me to my final country, Iran. Iran experienced a civil war in 1979. The civil war radically changed how the country was run.
Iran has been a country with a majority Shia Muslim population for centuries. For the majority of Iranians, their Islamic faith does not entirely dictate their culture. They incorporated much of their ancient Persian beliefs and practices into their culture. They were considerably less radical Islamic and more liberal than most other populations living in the Middle East.
The Iranian people’s relatively liberal values have enabled the West (i.e., the UK and the US) to exert more influence on them. This was desirable for the West because of Iran’s vast resources, oil and gas, in particular. The UK facilitated a coup in 1921, and the US orchestrated a coup in 1953. This was to keep the pro-West Pahlavi/Khan family in control of Iran. Iran was not run like a Western-style democracy. It was run as a dictatorship that oppressed Islamic values and culture.
The 1979 revolution was a response to this oppression. This revolution turned Iran into a radical Islamic country. This was protected by a new constitution that the majority of Iranian people welcomed at that time. Most of the non-Muslims decided to flee Iran.
Radical Islam did not align with true Persian culture. Naturally, overtime, Iran would revert to a less radical Islamic culture. Surveys have indicated that Iranians feel following strict Islamic practices are not a fundamental part of their culture. For example, recent surveys indicate that the majority of Iranians do not feel hijab laws should be enforced.
Sadly, for the Iranian people, their culture has struggled to move away from radical Islam. It is partly because of the grip their leadership, the supreme leader and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) have over them. However, the bigger reason this has not occurred is Iran’s conflict with the West.
Iran has been designated as the enemy of the Middle East. The US has done this for two key reasons.
Unlike the Gulf States, they are not controlled by the US. Iran is unwilling to let the US control their resources. At some point, the US will want to regain access to these resources.
Iran has a majority Shia population, whereas the Gulf States are predominantly Sunni. These groups have an uneasy history. It is easy for the US to turn the two groups against each other. This justifies the US presence in the Middle East as a ‘stabilising’ force. This presence gives the US greater influence over the region.
The constant threat to Iran and Shia populations in neighbouring countries such as Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen, and Bahrain has pushed the Iranians to rally around their leadership and the more radical Islamic values. It is a form of security for them. This created reluctance to revert to the values they had a hundred years earlier.
Iran’s current war with the US and Israel has caused Iranian people to rally around their leadership. The assassination of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has paved the way for a more radical wartime leadership, thus putting Iran’s progress towards a less radical culture even further back. I believe Western Establishments want to maintain radicalism in countries such as Iran. It maintains the narrative that Islam is the threat and enemy as well as the actual threat from migrating Muslims. This threat would increase further if Iran developed a nuclear weapon.
I discuss Iran at length in my post, Strait of Hormuz and the Iran War – Part 1: The Bogeyman of the Middle East.
Like in Iran, the people in the West are being forced to accept values that greatly contradict their traditional values. A strange combination of ‘woke’ and Islamic culture is being forced upon Western people. Their own traditional values are being treated as immoral. This is leading to a similar form of oppression the Iranians faced between 1921 and 1979. Like Iran, some Western countries might respond with a revolution of their own.
These would not be Islamic revolutions but instead nationalist revolutions. Radical nationalist parties may emerge in the West, possibly similar to the Nazi Party of Germany in the 1930s. This would lead to radical responses to ‘woke’ and Islamic ideology. Whichever Western country has a nationalist revolution will become the villains of the West. They would be classified the same way as Russia.
Final Thoughts
The West, European countries in particular, are heading towards catastrophic economic and social collapses. It is just a matter of time. The current violence across Europe could continue to escalate to the point of civil war. I believe it is unlikely to occur during this round of violence, as the current uprising lacks unifying leadership. This might not be the case when the next round of violence occurs.
Opposition figures to the incumbent European Governments might openly support a future eruption of violence. The chances of escalation to a civil war greatly increase if these opposition figures can direct the violence to help them seize power or at least force the current government to concede power.
In this post, I discussed four countries that have experienced various forms of collapse.
Venezuela has experienced economic collapse, which has been caused by corruption and has been magnified by sanctions. The economic collapse has led to social collapse and political unrest.
Ukraine has experienced political collapse that has led to economic and social collapse. It has been infiltrated by the West (e.g., two colour revolutions) and is being used as a proxy in war against Russia, which will inevitably destroy it as a viable nation.
Lebanon has experienced huge demographic change. Civil war, mass immigration and emigration have turned it from a majority Christian nation to a majority Muslim nation. War and corruption have wrecked its economy.
The West (UK and US) infiltrated Iran by installing puppet leadership. The puppet leadership oppressed the Iranians’ Islamic values and culture. Eventually there was a revolution, which led to the creation of a radical Islamic State. The West’s constant attack on Iran through sanctions and military action (direct conflict or proxy wars (e.g., the Iran-Iraq war)) has prevented Iran from deradicalising. The Iranian people are not naturally radically Islamic. Their culture is a blend of Islamic and traditional Persian values. They would be considerably more liberal than what the people of the Arab states are.
How many European countries will follow a similar path or reach a similar outcome to the above countries I have discussed? Those that experience complete economic collapse could become like Venezuela. Those that are used as fodder against Russia could become like Ukraine. Those that have sectarian civil war could become like Lebanon. Those that revolt against EU rule could become like Iran. Some countries could become a combination of some or all the above.
The Sapien Loop Series
I have written a trilogy of books titled Sapien Loop. The first in the series is Sapien Loop: End of an Era, the second is Sapien Loop: Frozen in Time, and the third is Sapien Loop: Worlds Collide. I published the whole series as ebooks on Amazon, and I have posted completed chapters to my @captainhive
In 2025, I wrote a short stories book about some of the characters and their adventures. This book is now available on Amazon. I have also posted these stories to my @captainhive account.
Brief Summary of Sapien Loop: End of an Era
This story is based on the fictional planet Sapia and its sole country, Sapey. Sapey is portrayed as a form of utopia for all its citizens. No poverty. No war. Almost no crime. Opportunities for all.
This was enough for most citizens, but not all. In one of the small regions, some of the citizens had become discontent. They felt something important was missing in their lives. Their discontent did not go unnoticed. Some of the Sapey elite wanted to weaponise this discontent to gain more power. This created more chaos than they anticipated. This led to further widespread social unrest.
On top of the chaos, ambition and greed provoked another enemy. This enemy was on a mission to settle both new and old scores.
Brief Summary of Sapien Loop: Frozen in Time
This story is based six years after the original story. The Downs Region is still suffering from a serious health crisis caused by the contaminated water. The main characters are desperately trying to find a cure for the illness that has been caused by the water.
One of the main characters has discovered frozen humanoids in hidden chambers. It appears they have been frozen for a long time. These chambers connect to a vast network of tunnels. While exploring the tunnels, one of the frozen humanoids disappears. It appears he has been stolen.
The story takes a step back in time to tell the story of the frozen humanoids. How and why were they frozen? This part of the story also explains the fall of ancient Sapey and the birth of the Sapiens. Can those from the past be able to coexist with those from the present?
Brief Summary of Sapien Loop: Worlds Collide
Sapien Loop: Worlds Collide continues the story directly after the events of the second book. Orcilla and Yassmay continue their journey to find help. In doing so, they encounter a dissident group from the underground world.
Tiberius is secured as the puppet leader for the underground Linap. He is being used to control the surface world from the Downs Region. Tiberius is unhappy with this arrangement and desires to be fully in control.
Resistance has formed to take back the Downs Region from Tiberius and the underground Linap. They aim to turn the underground population against Tiberius. If that fails, their only hope is to join forces with the dissident group Orcilla and Yassmay encountered.
All worlds may be destined to collide. Will Sapey finally be free of tyranny, is it destined to be destroyed, or is it locked into another loop of oppression?
