#poll

Follow-Up Poll: Expanding "Mute"

Thank you to all the Steemians who participated in last week’s poll. In that poll we asked whether you thought that when you Mute another user, their comments should be hidden from your blog for other Steem users, not just you.

We received a lot of great feedback from users who both wanted this feature, and those who voiced concerns like @anyx, @blocktrades, @jarvie, and @holoz0r. @anyx’s comment was especially insightful. He said:

Absolutely not. Plagiarists, identity thieves, or other fraudsters will mute comments from anyone calling them out on their actions. This means the @steemcleaners and @cheetah efforts would be useless, so you could say goodbye to them. The appropriate reaction to comments one does not like is downvoting them. A better solution to "the problem" is user opt-in mute lists that are community maintained. A community should be able to publish a list of accounts they mute. A user can opt-in to using this list, or the set union of multiple lists they subscribe to. If one has ever used adblocking, it would function like this -- lists one subscribes to enjoy a curated experience.

The Poll

After considering this feedback, we would like to propose an alternative implementation that we believe addresses the valid concerns that were raised. If you believe that we should integrate this alternative implementation (outlined below) into steemit.com ([Condenser](https://github.com/steemit/condenser)), please leave a comment that begins with “YES.” If you believe that steemit.com should stay as it is, please leave a comment that begins with “NO.”

Alternate Implementation

1. When an author mutes a user, the muted user’s comments will not appear on the author’s posts; BUT, 2. A prominent note will display when any commenters have been muted by the author saying something along the lines of, “The author has hidden replies from @cheetah, @worman, @spammer99. _Reveal all?_”

With this alternative implementation, it would be easy to identify exactly which accounts are affected, and reveal posts with a single click. If a user is particularly malicious, then the visitors to their blog will see an extremely telling list of all the accounts that have been muted by the author, which would be an obvious red flag.

What do you think? Would this constitute an improvement over the existing UI?

If you believe that we should integrate this alternative implementation into steemit.com (Condenser), please leave a comment that begins with “YES.”

If you believe that steemit.com should stay as it is, please leave a comment that begins with “NO.”

Thank You

A special thanks again to everyone who participated in last week’s poll, with a special shout out to @anyx for his very constructive feedback. We are committed to making steemit.com a site that works for its users and we believe that it is through conversations like this that we will be able to do that.

The Steemit Team

Comments · 50

@kharma.scribbles(58)· 2582d
NO
@lukmarcus(60)· 2586d
No.
@fmbs25(79)· 2586d
NO, they considered that each of the same way we want to read a post of someone, we would like to know the opinions of other users, and even more if they are spam or plagiarism, without having to be pressing a button to see the hidden comments, in addition to being in a decentralized network we are subject to others to comment what they want, it is supposed that here the freedom of expression is not restricted.
@setting(41)· 2586d
Alternate Implementation

Its perfect, so yes
@pizzaboy77(57)· 2586d
No!
@miniature-tiger(70)· 2586d
No.

Muting / posting rights and restrictions should be handled by the "communities" development. Each community can then set its own rules for how to handle spam / comment advertising / abuse etc.
@immanuel94(73)· 2586d
NO.

For this, we can vote to prevent comments from being visible.
@enjar(79)· 2586d
NO

It be nice as the author to be able to pin or feature a comment on my own blog post. Along with some kind of comment flood spam protection. Outside of that it’s quite a slippery slope to be going down.
@arcange(79)· 2586d
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@omra-sky(65)· 2586d
No. Who I choose to mute should be known only to me. That's my business. Nobody else's.
@ew-and-patterns(71)· 2586d
No.

But I am +1 for what gtg proposed.
@fredrikaa(74)· 2586d
YES

I think this feature is crucial for Steem to grow and attract more serious content creators.

It would be nice in addition to the feature already mentioned if users could access a settings option that would allow them to turn author moderations off. Aka shows a "vanilla version" of Steem. Users could also be informed of the existence of this setting when they first click the new "reveal all button".

The point here is that authors should be able to control the default view that an outsider without a Steem account will get when they visit their blog. However, Steemians who are logged in and want to judge content and see what they want should be able to do so without needing to look for a "reveal comments" option all the time.

Finally. With hardfork 21 hopefully making downvotes more popular and accepted, it would be great if steemit also had a "filter comments by controversy" option similar to reddit. This would make it even easier for users to look also for comments that may have been fairly or unfairly downvoted/muted.
@scorer(58)· 2586d
NO

I believe this is the same wrong approach, just realised in more hidden way.

Make downoting usable and create this with downvoted content. So, that if a persons wants to see all spam, it can be unhidden with one click.
@hiroyamagishi(69)· 2586d
No, please no
@fingolfin(63)· 2586d
NO

I still don't like people being able to censor the voices they disagree with
@kawaiicrush(66)· 2586d
Abolsutely NOT! NO!

This is why!

You want to hide the truth. You are AFRAID. That is why you want this. You need to control your bullshit narrative.

Go fuck yourself and the horse you road in on!
@eastmael(69)· 2586d
Yes.
@por500bolos(68)· 2586d
Alternate Implementation...

...What do you think? Would this constitute an improvement over the existing UI?

Bleh! I say bleh. You can take this as a NO a Yes or a simple Whatevah. It seems to me you already have your ultimate decision 'made up'.
@alexvanaken(68)· 2586d
Jesus... When will you start advertising to bring in NEW USERS AND PEOPLE TO BUY THE COIN?? Why are you sitting around thinking of useless features as we slowly slide under the top 100 marketcap?? There are pure shitcoins with better marketing tactics... You have NO marketing efforts to show. WTF!!!
@improv(73)· 2586d
NO

I think some legit users would block cheetah, whose algorithm often flags posts erroneously, especially contest posts.

This simplification would lead to even more dichotomous "user bad" "user good" perspective, which is the opposite of "proof of brain".

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@waleedtee(45)· 2586d
No , unless we can opt-out of this. I would like to see every comment on every post without having to click Reaveal all everytime !
@distantsignal(66)· 2586d
No. The system is fine the way it is.

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@ausbitbank(74)· 2586d
NO
@oldtimer(76)· 2586d
I think you have many other much more important issues to fix. Why you're wasting time with this? Very unproductive.
@barton26(56)· 2586d
NO
@aaronhawk(57)· 2586d
NO
@nealmcspadden(74)· 2586d
NO
@monster-one(75)· 2586d
No matter how many times you try to step into censorship, the answer is a BIG NO!
@freebornangel(72)· 2586d
No. If you want something hidden, flag it.
@mmmmkkkk311(64)· 2586d
NO
@jaki01(77)· 2587d
YES

“The author has hidden replies from @cheetah, @worman, @spammer99. Reveal all?”

Why "Reveal all?"? There could be the option to choose for example "Reveal @cheetah!" (only).
@thedegensloth(60)· 2587d
No,

This is going to be used by plagiarists and can be used in spreading hate or horrible ideas. This would also work really well to push a certain message. Let's say Steemit for an example don't like everyone who is saying they don't like a fork so they mute all of these people so it looks like they have overwhelming support.

Not exactly top priority.
@marki99(62)· 2587d
NO This solution is simply ugly. I prefer any of the propositions in the previous post.
@holoz0r(78)· 2587d
No.

The last thing Steem needs are echo chambers. I'd prefer a different option again to what is proposed. "The author of this article has muted this commenter, which is why you may not see a reply to the comment from the author."

There are genuine cases were individuals mute people for petty things, when they are attempting to constructively critique or promote discourse with that writer.

Progress is only made when people build upon their differences and disagree, and a platform like Steem should be completely transparent, showing all, and every point of view in regards to a piece of content.

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@smooth(74)· 2587d
NO

I don't think the features should be merged. Hiding from seeing (muting) is not the same as wanting to hide from replies on a blog (moderating).

I think people being able to moderate their own blog (the latter feature) is okay as long as there is a prominent label indicating that poster moderation is active. And it might be debatable whether this should even be allowed on posts which aren't reward-declined, because if they aren't then it isn't really a 'private' personally-owned blog post but one which has chosen to participate in the shared reward pool.

Also consider how this will work with communities, which probably should be able to have their own rules on what sort of moderation is allowed or required for that particular community.
@vikisecrets(80)· 2587d
No, I think up and downvoting is better, alternative suggestion, automatic downvote comments from … (on my own posts, on all posts globally)
@arkmy(58)· 2587d
NO . Not at all.

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@flemingfarm(81)· 2587d
No. Leave it as is.
@resiliencia(75)· 2587d
No. I appreciate the feedback you guys are showing lately but I don't think that is needed today. I will stand for focusing on the most important things instead of this. However if you have a team willing to improve condenser, I am sure that you will be able to find something that deserves more attention. I am impatient to see SMTs and communities implemented, which I hope that will be able to structure better the information stored on the blockchain. Maybe prepare the condenser for this will be a good option.

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@uwelang(79)· 2587d
Shaking my head on the way you guys set priorities........
@doitvoluntarily(80)· 2587d
why not just leave it the way it is?... is this really a priority right now? 🙈🙈🙈
@justtryme90(71)· 2587d
No, these changes will not improve user experience. Spam is already flagged and hidden.
@trumpman(82)· 2587d
penis
@quantumdeveloper(58)· 2587d
No. Although this version is better because it allows the user to see the post, it still can give the author the ability to censor what the reader can read. Most readers won't bother clicking on the Reveal all button, so it's mostly the same as your previous proposal.

I don't understand the reason why this is even needed. The observed quality of any post is never changed if spammers comment under it. No one cares. Only if the commenter has a valid point against the contents of the post(by for example revealing plagiarism), he can change the observed quality. And in that case we shouldn't help the author of the post to mute the comment, as he is the one who did something wrong and deserves less payout.
@jondoe(76)· 2587d
Yes. This is better than nothing.
@bluerobo(70)· 2587d
Yes

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@steevc(80)· 2587d
Yes

This is better as it would show if known abuse fighters had been commenting. There are malicious people who mass comment spam and we need defences against them.
@ssjsasha(74)· 2587d
What about totally blocking someone who is randomly, blindly downvoting all your every post and comment
@ozphil(66)· 2587d
Yes
@phoenixwren(73)· 2587d
I say no to this version, though the curated community list is a fine idea. Reason being is I have muted a bunch of Bernie bots because he was leaving photos of literal shit and dicks on my friend's posts - like, dozens and dozens of them. So if my friend who he doesn't like comments on my post, and his bots leave nasty pictures (honestly, I don't know if he's still spamming with photos or not, this happened months ago), there's going to be a mile long list of like 75 tags getting his attention so he can come flagging. He already flags me if my friend comments or resteems me anyway, but man, I'm just trying to live my life and not see this unnecessary shit. To make it a list of tagging who's muted would invite more bullying.

The Poll

Alternate Implementation

Thank You

Comments · 50

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