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How to Save Steem

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I’m going to cut right to the chase because we need some straight talk.

At its core, Steem is nothing but computer software and a collection of data. Anyone can run this software and broadcast the data that is stored in the Steem blockchain. When it comes to the blockchain, “saving Steem” is simply a matter of running a node...or a matter of a group of people running a node with the same version of software on it.

Nobody can prevent the “saving” of Steem in this regard. Neither Justin, nor Binance, nor any future malicious individual or collusive group of individuals can stop it. Steem - as a digital object - can live on forever, so long as someone wants to store the data and run the software.

So what makes Steem something more that can actually be “saved” and is worth fighting for?

The community.

This is what makes Steem what it is. The developers, stakeholders, witnesses, businesses, bloggers, and the casual voters and observers are what make Steem a thing worth salvaging. All of these people are also what makes it impossible to destroy such a thing.

A community cannot be bought and destroyed...unless that community chooses to be for sale and subsequently dismantled.

We currently have people in our Steem community who are losing hope. We have people in our Steem community who are angry. We have people in our Steem community who are taking charge, giving up, or completely indifferent. And it’s OK to have any of these feelings or to take action or to do nothing.

But let’s be clear about how Steem can be “saved.”

We don’t need to endlessly battle with centralization. We don’t need to be infuriated with Justin Sun, Ned Scott, Binance, or Huobi. We don’t need to decide whether or not to send anyone’s tokens to @null. We don’t need to placate any group trying to take advantage of the current situation for their own benefit.

As a community, we can simply reject all of it. We can move on without a lasting struggle. We can part ways without “stealing” anything from anyone. We can take those of us who wanted a decentralized Steem in a new direction and we can go in that new direction with like-minded people.

The community is not stuck in one geographical location. We live in the digital realm. We are free to move. We have the means to move. We are nomads of the blockchain. Our home is not a place.

Our home is the connections we’ve made over the past four years. That home is not defined by one man, one website, or one token.

So how do we “save” Steem - the community that is Steem?

It’s simple: We move.

Nothing is preventing us from separating ourselves from the current Steem blockchain. There is an opportunity for a clean break from the baggage that has held Steem back for the past four years. There is an opportunity to simply throw off the shackles of centralization. There is an opportunity for us to learn from past mistakes, correct them, and improve upon the existing code and how we interact as a community.

All we need to do is run a different version of the current software. The community - with its developers, stakeholders, witnesses, businesses, bloggers, and the casual voters and observers - can simply choose to build on and follow those running the new version of software.

That’s it.

We would no longer need to stress about what ignorant or detrimental thing Justin Sun and his company or friends can do to the blockchain. We would no longer have to stress about Steemit’s stake being sold or how it can be used to centralize the blockchain. We would no longer have to stress about vote campaigns to “take back the chain,” watching every day and wondering if this will be the day Steem “dies.”

We’ve never lost the Steem blockchain. It can’t be lost.

We can’t lose the community unless we no longer want to be a part of it.

We don’t need to win this fight. There isn’t even a need for a fight. We have the ability to simply ignore it or reject it.

Sure, it may be good for appearances to “defeat” a power that’s trying to centralize the blockchain. It would be a nice display of the power of DPoS. But it’s not needed.

A much stronger message can be communicated by simply picking up and moving on; by showing the crypto world that this community can’t be sold or absorbed by any central power; by letting the old chain - the one that’s under attack and on the verge of centralization - to simply rot; by leaving those who think that we can be owned left all by themselves on a dead chain with a worthless token.

This isn’t some pie-in-the-sky hypothetical. It can happen. It very likely will happen soon enough.

It’s up to each of you as individuals if you want to participate in the migration. It’s always your choice. It has always been your choice. Don’t let fear, confusion, uncertainty, or even the ignorance of others get in the way of that choice.

Steem can live on. It may be under a different name, but the name does not define us or what we are capable of achieving.

All of us are the Steem community. We are “Steem” itself.

Wherever we go as a community, Steem goes with us.

I have made up my mind. I know the future that I prefer. It’s not a future with this current version of Steem and the baggage of Steemit Inc. that has plagued this blockchain for four years.

I will be moving on.

Who’s coming with me?


Comments · 67

  • @montycashmusic(71)· 2353d

    Hiho!

  • @covid19(38)· 2354d

    I have not understand what's the vision of Justin Sun. I know the old steem vision. What's the future? someone know it?

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  • @kabir88(61)· 2356d

    If it means removing the ninja mined stake, then I will use the new fork and see how it goes. The problems will be the "steem"ticker stays with the Sun Chain, then we will have to work to get relisted on major exchanges.

    Then there is the question of funding developments. Where would this come from?

    But a lighter ship may be able to sail the waves a little faster.

  • @fionasfavourites(77)· 2356d

    @ATS-David

    This makes perfect logical sense to someone who doesn't understand the intricacies of blockchain. Perhaps you could answer another question that's been nagging at me: the Steem token is not the blockchain either. It's tradable. What's to say that token couldn't or shouldn't have currency on the new/different chain?

    I'd appreciate an answer not clouded by sentiment. Not that I discount that. If it weren't for sentiment, there'd be no community.

    PS Thanks to @quillfire for calling me over.

  • @lovejoy(68)· 2356d

    I agree 100% Thank you for writing this. Time for a rebirth. Just leave them fumbling over the dried out husk of our old body.

  • @anthonyadavisii(73)· 2356d

    Well think you and I are on the same page here but presently not entertaining the notion of a fork.

    Think a ground up redesign / rearchitecting is the way forward but obviously migrating the chain data in some fashion.

    Furthermore, think it's time to scrap DPoS. It's been proven to be susceptible to being dominated by any given tycoon whether they understand the nuance or not.

    It's a system that is fundamentally flawed on its own but I have a metric shitton of ideas to unfuck it.

    I know you and I butt heads because guess we are both alpha types in our respective ways. Nevertheless, I'm a good sport so would be happy to help yall build yours.

    Doesn't have to be a zero sum game or whatever.

  • @mrgreen(64)· 2357d

    the first question is how to earn it

  • @binkyprod(70)· 2357d

    But where will we go and how will we know where to know and when to go there? Is this a project that is currently in the works?

  • @apolymask(71)· 2357d

    Who’s coming with me?

    Hmmm... I'm not sure I have enough information to say 100% for sure just yet, but, I read your post and all the comments and you're one of the individuals I trust the most when it comes to steem related stuff. So... I will probably/most likely be joining you!

  • @twinner(68)· 2357d

    Downvoted to partially offset the upvote of SteemCleaners.

  • @alexs1320(72)· 2357d

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    Empty, empty words...

    Go Sun! I hope that reason will win

  • @shmoogleosukami(73)· 2357d

    Also the problem with hard forking is getting exchanges and all the apps to come with us. Apps will probably come easily, exchanges maybe no so much although there are some who have our back.

  • @shmoogleosukami(73)· 2357d

    We could also fix the witness voting system to basically nullify the threat of justins stake and then let him do with it as he pleases. let him vote, let him dump (unlikely). Fix whats broken and move on. it's that simple. The sooner we get it fixed, coded and tested the better.

  • @arcange(79)· 2357d

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  • @john371911(68)· 2357d

    Simple one word: fork. I have a question: would you also cancel other pre-mined stakes as I heard "freedom", or other people's besides steemit's?

  • @novacadian(65)· 2357d

    We can part ways without “stealing” anything from anyone.

    Very true. A couple of points however...

    • By leaving it would seem like Mr. Sun would be stealing our brand, like Bitcoin Core and Bitcoin Cash's struggle with the exchanges. A real hard fork should have been the ultimatum given to Mr. Sun instead of HF22.2, yet it wasn't. So here we are...

    • Without a software solution against hostile majority stake attacks there would be nothing stopping a replay of these events on a forked chain. A analog solution would be to @null|Mr. Sun at the earliest so as to send the message to other potential malicious agents to not fuck with our community until software means are in place to thwart such take overs. Already positive suggestions are coming forward that could be used in tandem with one another.

    Given enough rope

    My feeling is that should Mr. Sun get consensus to force a STINC hard HF that it will be a bigger disaster than HF20, which will require the pre-TRON witnesses to fix. That will be our opportunity to get a @null|Mr. Sun hard HF on the exchanges that choose to list STEEM.

    My feeling is to fight on for STEEM; only excepting STEEM Classic if all else fails.

  • @tonytrillions(68)· 2357d

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  • @marki99(62)· 2357d

    I don't mind the fork. The only thing I want though is a return of the devs. Without the Steemit, Inc devs that resigned I don't see a future for Steem.

  • @deanliu(83)· 2357d

    I will go where the majority of the community goes. So if you are that option, that would be a YES for me.

  • @luca1777(69)· 2357d

    Good idea, but could people "move" their Steem to the new platform..?

  • @amico(67)· 2357d

    We don’t need to win this fight. There isn’t even a need for a fight. We have the ability to simply ignore it or reject it.

    I completely agree!

    I know the future that I prefer. It’s not a future with this current version of Steem and the baggage of Steemit Inc. that has plagued this blockchain for four years.

    Let's go!

    A HUGE HUG from @amico!

    !trdo

  • @lordbutterfly(80)· 2358d

    Yep. Glad you guys are finally catching up on the current perceived HF necessity. Once Justin makes a move we should be ready. We should be talking to exchanges and witnesses should already be discussing how we do it.

    On the Korean community thing... No, they are a accessory in the hostile takeover and they should be held accountable. If we go, all proxy stake voting for sock-puppets should be nulled or sent to SPS. If they want to hold Steem hostage then they should expect that they will not get away scot-free. They are consciously centralizing the chain, hurting everyones investment and risking the collapse of the economy. They are a hostile entity and should be treated as such.

  • @bomex(41)· 2358d

    His exposure was extraordinary in maintaining #steem... Thank you for sharing.. success is your

  • @coininstant(69)· 2358d

    STEEM doesn't need saving, the world needs saving!! lol

  • @steevc(80)· 2358d

    I've always said the community is what it's about. I doubt many crypto projects have anything like it. It's not just about the money. Forking off is an option, but would be disruptive. There will be disagreement about what changes should be made. I assume it would exclude the Steemit stake, but could something be done to reduce the risk of other hostile takeovers?

  • @freebornangel(72)· 2358d

    I'd like to see any stake voting tron witnesses forked out, not least of why is that my rewards are getting wiped by stake that votes tron.

  • @azfix(65)· 2358d

    Competition is always good and it will allow users to decide what direction is best for them and the community.

  • @joynalabedin(55)· 2358d

    I am back to Steemit after long time. I saw lot of change made in steemit. From your post i can learnt many things today. Lot of information you share by this post. Thanks

  • @ew-and-patterns(71)· 2358d

    Let's not rush things. Things like this need preparation time. The witnesses should communicate a timeframe. Let's say in two weeks we split. Before we announce this though, we need to see hundreds of posts of willing participants, making everybody aware, that we as a community can just pack up and start fresh without any baggage, but with the same token amount on the new chain. Yes the first months will be bad without any exchange but we can do it.

    I would love to see the community unite once more and leave Justin on an empty chain. 90% drop in posts, comments and transactions.

  • @roundbeargames(73)· 2358d

    it depends on what kinda "move" we're talking about. i hope it's a sister chain where steempeak/esteem users would have to simply update their apps and not use steemit anymore.

  • @aaronsuncamacho(52)· 2358d

    @ats-david

    I wish changing what governance structure aka "citizenship" one wanted to participate in were as easy as this would be!

    About the value of a new token/chain with all of us on it:

    The initial value of the new token would be the same as it is here, the power to vote.

    The second value would be the willingness of all of us to exchange it for tangible goods and services.

    This protocol/token is an awesome example of the second way to add value (it's not very successful right now?)

    https://paywithink.com/

    And it powers all the transactions for real goods on :

    https://www.listia.com/

    I, for one, have been accepting STEEM in exchange for Kratom for years now. (Not one buyer yet though!?)

    Thank you for emphasizing that we already have the power and the value because WE ARE the power and the value! 🕉️☀️♥️🙏

  • @gregm(68)· 2358d

    Yo, remember me? LOL Man I have a lot to catch up on! Posting via BUSY.org since you recommend... I have always preferred it anyway. Cheers!

  • @darthnava(73)· 2358d

    Year 2017. Steem saved my life. Year 2020. It is time we save Steem.

  • @amberyooper(71)· 2358d

    I would definitely be willing to do my blogging on the new chain.

  • @norbu(70)· 2358d

    We don’t need to win this fight

    IMO after the media blitz, I feel we now represent a fight which stands up for the whole crypto community and not only steem. Especially so for block-chains built with DPOS. This is a fight against a centralizing force which is now being watched by almost everyone who is into the crypto world, and our win could be a beacon for decentralization which would set a precedent for many to follow, in the future. Nevertheless, after seeing some communities on here trying to milk both sides, I do agree with you that maybe it would be better to move on. But I guess we should still try and hang on for a few more weeks as corporate guys do need their money, and blocking it for 13 weeks by powering up should not make sense to them. But hell ya, I,m moving onto a new chain if it comes to that!

  • @bluefinstudios(72)· 2358d

    Have any people had discussions with exchanges to list this future place or token?

  • @kennyskitchen(77)· 2358d

    I'm totally in! Especially after sitting in on those first few town halls post-takeover, I really got a sense that the community would be coming out quite nicely if/when the fork happened. I see multiple front-ends, dApps, and tons of community & creators coming over, as well as probably bringing in a lot of crypto folks (many of whom listen to Tone Vays) stayed away from Steem because of the Ninja Mine/Centralization.

    The biggest thing I would say, let's actually ditch the Steem name completely. It was bad enough always having folks think I was talking about Steam (the gaming platform), I don't want to have a whole extra layer of disassociation to have to do.

  • @mysearchisover(70)· 2358d

    The status quo won't work? Isn't there a stalemate?

  • @denmarkguy(79)· 2358d

    You make a compelling case @ats-david, and I'm inclined to agree with the idea to simply "move it."

    I'll preface this with the statement that I know little about the technical end of this equation, but I have a fair handle on the human psychology and dynamics of virtual communities end.

    Lately, I have also been thinking about @theoretical's recent resurfacing and the suggestion that perhaps what is needed is to learn from everything that was part of the Steem "experiment" (as I recall, Dan used to call it an experiment) and instead start a completely new chain that uses the positives and and simply doesn't include the negatives, and the loopholes that can be exploited. And yes, I recognize that the process of starting a new chain is infinitely more complex than forking... and far more time consuming, and perhaps we face a bit of a time crunch here.

    But let's assume that we do simply fork and create a decentralized home for the community. The challenge with forks... building a bit on what @indigoocean said in her comment... is that they almost inevitably turn out to be "watered down" versions of the original. And I'm not just talking blockchains here, I'm talking all forms of "moves." I've been participant to dozens of community moves related to message board communities going back 20+ years, and the "fail rate" seems to be around 95%. There's a massive dilution/fragmentation issue. People are lazy, and often disengaged.

    Now, if a "move" actually could just mean that everything remains basically unchanged except for a few dozen key accounts being "nulled out," that might play. Particularly if some of the now unemployed Steemit, Inc. developers were also onboard, as they might have knowledge of any parts of the system that was "kept close" by Steemit, Inc.

    Anyway, I'm certainly open to moving, if it can truly just bypass the relevance of the entire current circus.

  • @valued-customer(75)· 2358d

    If it's not an abomination of a hack job, I'll be interested in a fork.

    I'm not convinced a simple fork is the best option. @theoretical is undertaking a new development, and I'm very interested in seeing where that goes, but right now a fork is probably the quickest, cleanest way to move on and make the bad people go away.

    Keep me on the list if you care to. I'm not everyone's cup of tea, so may not be on your 'most welcome' list. Can't say I'll change either, so make your best judgment =)

    Thanks!

  • @ura-soul(78)· 2358d

    Pretty much agreed here. The barrier is in the cost of the hardware and the cost of funding the developers to move the chain on.

  • @evolved08gsr(58)· 2358d

    So is this a

    1. We start from scratch with a new Genesis block. Or
    2. We fork and cut out Steemit Inc's accounts?

    I think there are going to be complaints from the community about both options, so I'm curious if there might be a 3rd that I'm not seeing/thinking about?

    P.S. I'm in for the community, I don't care if the name changes.. as long as the ideal stays the same (as it was at inception, not whatever Ned thought up to line up his exit strategy)

  • @bala41288(80)· 2358d

    I agree that we can get rid of the Ned problem one last time.

    You are saying it is nothing but running a software in the computer. I have few layman questions here. Can you please answer?

    From what I understand, Forking out is starting a new chain with the same data with just an exception that steemit's stake will be sent to null in the new chain. If that is the case, will all the current users be available in both the chain?

    If I use a web interface and try to login with the wif, I will be taken either inside Steem or the new one based on what node the web interface is using. Is that right? So, after the fork I should technically be able to login to the user accounts in both the chains with same wif right?

    This will create a new currency. Probably Steem Classic or something. We have to then identify exchanges to make them list this. Exchanges will then have Steem as well as Steem classic listed. Right?

    This act will have a massive impact on both the prices. Steem might fall. Steem Classic might pump etc. But all the current users will have equal stakes in both the Blockchain right?

  • @bmj(64)· 2358d

    I echo you sentimemts. If we all move together, we'll take the value with us where we go. I posted yesterday about the exact same thing.

    But when we do move, we need burn the house down on the way out, by destroying our STEEM, no double token, no crossposting, nothing... Kinda like dusting the dirt off your feet when you leave.

  • @indigoocean(69)· 2358d

    How would this be different from previous Golos and Whaleshares forks? Those communities are still operating, but WLS at least has virtually no value. Down considerably from it's initial cost, something like 99%. Who would be the buyers of the new STEEM and what exchanges would be available to buy it on?

    Also, for existing dapps, would they be able to run on the forked chain? What would it take for them to migrate?

    Lastly, I understand that STINC was running some critical infrastructure beyond witness nodes. I'm not clear what it was, but isn't it still going to be needed? Who will pay for that and maintain it?

    Basically, I fully support the idea behind this solution but am unclear about the pragmatism for winding up with a blockchain that is as successful as this one has been. We may destroy our investment at the same time we're removing value from Justin's.

  • @nonameslefttouse(77)· 2358d

    I still think all we need is Hulk Hogan to come here and blog. Then everything will be fine.

  • @broncnutz(79)· 2358d

    i have no issues with a hard fork. Justin will ruin Steem and Steemit anyway so we might as well do it know. Justin wants to be a dick? He has NO IDEA what we have in store for him!

  • @irgendwo(67)· 2358d

    All we need to do is run a different version of the current software. The community - with its developers, stakeholders, witnesses, businesses, bloggers, and the casual voters and observers - can simply choose to build on and follow those running the new version of software.

    That’s it.

    Easy said. And yet you cannot give any guarantee about that the community would choose to move and if so, how many?

    When someone try to propose an easy solution for a complex problem, something is fishy.

  • @argsolver(53)· 2358d

    This is what makes Steem what it is. The developers, stakeholders, witnesses, businesses, bloggers, and the casual voters and observers are what make Steem a thing worth salvaging. All of these people are also what makes it impossible to destroy such a thing.

    Hi @ats-david , if you have some time, please take a look at the REDPOS protocol concept.

    Should a new home be created I wish a better procol builds that home.

  • @bashadow(70)· 2358d

    Moving on is fine, I still do not see how that is going to happen. Who is going to decide on the software for the fork? Who is going to develop the software for the fork? Who is going to decide what software is going to be used on the new chain when it comes time to do a hard fork? Who is going to promote the Chain. Who is going to advocate for the new chain? Part of the problem we are currently in is because no other entity than Steemit was allowed/able to offer up any changes to the software, it all had to go through steemit for some reason. How is the new fork going to decide what get updated/upgraded, fixed, or introduce new tools?

    If when there is a real alternative to Steem Block Chain,I'll just continue to sit here, participate here, and wait for the total looming disaster that will be Tron's first hard fork of the chain. it wasn't the witnesses, it wasn't the investors, it wasn't the user, that decide what went to the witnesses for testing when a new hard fork was issued. It was steemit that issued the hard fork software. There was some minor input by user groups, investor groups and witness groups, but at the end of the day it was steemit that decided what went into a hard fork.

    Who is going to decide when and how a hard fork is going to be run in this new sister chain? Who is going to write the software? Who is going to advocate for the change? Those need to be thought about and answered before I would make any move anywhere else.

  • @bluewall(35)· 2358d

    Outside the realm of the software running the blockchain are the exchanges where value may be exchanged for tangible assets to pay operating expenses and to give users a reason to put effort into creating great content.

  • @tibfox(74)· 2358d

    I am 100% in man! I totally share your opinion on the whole situation and the sure way out of it. Just let me know where to go and I will follow!

    Peace!

  • @vishalhkothari(57)· 2358d

    I m there with you meant to move on.

    Resteeming for more visibility

  • @clareartista(74)· 2358d

    Hi @ats-david - it's great to read your lovely clear declaration... YES.

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  • @derangedvisions(81)· 2358d

    It may be time to cut those strings that were holding us back and make a new home that is truly built by the community.

  • @freebornangel(72)· 2358d

    What are the odds Ned didn't tumble enough steem to control the fork, too? We did turn him on to the possibility. He would have been blind not to see it. This new chain gonna vote out the cancers, or embrace them? Because, I guarantee they will be there, day one.

  • @inthenow(69)· 2358d
  • @bethalea(63)· 2358d

    In.

  • @tuck-fheman(75)· 2358d
  • @flemingfarm(81)· 2358d

    That is how I feel about Steem, and the world at this point too. Can we all just go somewhere else and try this shit again? Just maybe use some of the glaring lessons that we have learned from this mess?

  • @reviewzzz(68)· 2358d

    We all with you First, I think we need to talk with Binance and Huobi they are not Party to a dispute I think They were deceived And then we need to unite together finally creating a special trading platform for steem not an impossible thank you

  • @themarkymark(81)· 2358d

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  • @joythewanderer(81)· 2358d

    On y va!

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  • @clixmoney(78)· 2358d

    Maybe moving is the only solution to save steem. I don't really know. I don't know if we will win the fight or not, but I'm just keeping it and a lot are doing the same. I think we have nothing to lose anyway, the most important that we stick together. The community matters more of course.

  • @justineh(72)· 2358d

    I agree with many that fighting off an overtake attempt would be a great story for DPOS (which is needed as imo it has many weaknesses)... but also don’t see the point of settling for broken in the process.

    The community is what adds value, and the value stays with the community.. where ever they find themselves.

    There is something exciting about the idea of doing this right, as a community.. without all the baggage and bad decisions in the past made by a few. I guess we will see what happens.

  • @berniesanders(77)· 2358d