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Hard Fork 21 and The War To End All Wars

Not long now. It has become inevitable as the Great Powers make their final preparations and move everything into place. What will be the spark for this powderkeg? Who will fire that first shot and does it really even matter at this point? The question is - Are you ready for the shooting to begin? If you don’t know what I am talking about then you haven’t been paying attention. Probably just like those poor bastards in the Spring of 1914 who had no idea of what was about to be unleashed.

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Of course I am talking about STEEMs Hard Fork 21 and (among other things) the free downvote pool that is about to be instituted. I’ve been here for a couple of years now, long enough to have seen a number of very ugly flag wars. I could name the names, but you either know who I’m talking about or you’re new enough that the names will be meaningless to you anyway. Did we learn nothing from these past conflicts? Our overlords have determined that the gloves are coming off. No longer will you have an economic dis-incentive to flag someone who you don’t like or disagree with. It’s going to be open season and as has been the case in every flag war I’ve seen to date – The biggest stake wins. Is that you? No, I didn’t think so….

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There will be some who will try to monetise their free downvotes, maybe they’ll sell downvotes separately. Maybe there will be downvote trails created. Human behaviour is very predictable like that, but the ones I am more concerned about are the ones who are quietly salivating at the prospect of this change enabling them to let loose and try to enforce their own vision for the platform. Old grudges can finally be settled. Maybe the conflict will be out in the open, or maybe it’ll be more like guerrilla tactics where anonymous accounts shoot from the shadows and victims won’t even know who, or why they have been targeted. They may have no obvious retaliation option. Maybe they will make one up and suspicion will rule the day. We won’t even need Kangaroo courts as we can shoot first and let God the Reward Pool sort them out. Oh, the humanity!

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Ok, so maybe I am being a bit dramatic. It is deliberate. I am genuinely concerned that HF21 may unleash a seriously ugly chapter in this great social experiment that we call STEEM. I have been tempted to write about the HF21 changes for a while, but the topic has been done to death and none of the big players read my blog anyway. This post is more for the minnows. A warning, or maybe even a guide about how to survive what’s coming. There are a few major demographics to keep an eye on.


1. The Vigilantes

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These are the people who have long lamented the use of vote selling services and shitposters who use them to get themselves onto trending. These are the poor fools who have been convinced that the free downvote pool will enable them to right all those wrongs and finally ensure that quality posts and curation rules the platform. (Excuse me while I finish laughing and pick myself up from the floor) These people are the most likely to fire the first shots and target one of the below groups, but they’ll probably make the mistake of using their author accounts so quite likely they will cop the first retaliation strikes too.


2. The Vote Sellers

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Primarily these are the Bid Bot owners, but there are other forms of vote sellers too. These people are the ones who have been getting paid to promote rubbish content into trending. Quite possibly their shitposting customers will be targeted by The Vigilantes and that is likely to affect their bottom line as those customers will not keep buying votes to get nothing. There could actually be conflict between the Vote Sellers but I suspect that they might band together and act more like a cartel to protect their customers (and therefore their profits). They are currently one of the most powerful demographics on the platform so their behaviour will be key to how this all plays out.


3. Community Shitposters

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There are lots of little communities on STEEM who have their own little voting services to support members. Some of them do have some quality control, but many do not as they focus more on member engagement than blog content quality. This demographic is unlikely to be firing the first shots but they are very likely to get caught in the crossfire. Community members may start getting flagged for low quality posts and they will inevitably ask their community for help to counter the flags and/or retaliate. This is the part where it gets ugly for communities as the debate on whether to take up arms collectively is likely to be very divisive within the community and possibly even terminal.


There are other demographics of course as this STEEM ecosystem is quite diverse, but if you’re reading between the lines you’ll realise that I am most concerned about the impact of flag warfare on communities. I personally have no intention of taking part in any collective flag warfare, so don’t ask me.

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I realise that the narrative behind all the Hard Fork 21 changes is quite positive. I concede that there is some consensus among the platforms most powerful, but I am calling bullshit on the narrative. I could take umbrage at other planned changes but this is by far the most potentially damaging. There are some smart technical people behind all this, but if they don’t understand Game Theory and how these changes will REALLY play out then they are the wrong people to be in charge.

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Comments · 27

  • @thekittygirl(74)· 2573d

    Thank you for this interesting viewpoint of the potential, shared during the PYPT curation show this past week!

  • @guruvaj(67)· 2575d

    So I guess a war is really brewing, and no UN treatises can calm the different countries involved 😎🚀

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  • @mrnightmare89(74)· 2575d

    found it in #pypt discord channel, going to read it later. This is a long read for sure..

    Posted using Partiko Android

  • @riverflows(82)· 2576d

    TERRIFYING, @buggedout. I have always ignored the flags, both in a emu head sand way and a choosing not to get involved. If HF21 becomes what some say it will, I guess Im out, but then I have said that before and Im still here. Noted what you say about communities, that's an interesting one. I run @naturalmedicine and we do auto upvote community members. Its a way of giving back and supporting Steemfolk. We dont reward shitposters. We are only a small community but do our best... be interesting to see how this affects us.

  • @crypto.piotr(65)· 2576d

    Hi @buggedout

    I'm one of those people who are seriously worried about consequences of HF21.

    Flag wars are definetly something that many people seem to be concerned with. Luckily I never got involved in any. I received number of random downvotes but none of it ever has been permanent. (lucky me:)

    none of the big players read my blog anyway.

    Yeah, whales do not really care about "regular joes" that much :(

    Right now we're witnessing all those who are powering down and selling their steem, because they lose their faith in Steemit. And in my opinion majority of users believe that current 50/50 reward system will make rich richer, and poor poorer. And that it's targeting authors.

    Regardless what's the real reason behind some of those changes will not change the fact, that many of those people are opendly quitting steemit.

    I'm here to stay, however I'm worried about the future of this platform. The biggest issue I see is non-linear reward curve, which will make upvoting comments with small 0.03$ vote hardly possible.

    So culture of rewarding people who engage with us will probably receive a huge blow (or perhaps die completely).

    There are some smart technical people behind all this, but if they don’t understand Game Theory and how these changes will REALLY play out then they are the wrong people to be in charge.

    KNOW YOUR AUDIENCE

    My impression is that people behind Steemit and HF21 do not understand their audience. That's the biggest problem.

    Yours, Piotr

  • @bi5h0p(55)· 2577d

    This is why I powered down and tuned-out from STEEM a long time ago. It's a B.S. situation where what people are doing amounts to one simple concept (which goes totally against all STEEM ideals): censorship. And, censorship sucks.

    Now, don't get me wrong - I'm a complete $#!t-talker. I'm just not going to allow some douchebag with more money the chance to hurt my bottom line. I'd much rather talk a bunch of $#!t, then post a picture of my STACK and say, "Go ahead, give my STACK as many of your 100% downvotes as you possibly can! I'll check back on it each day to see if it gets any lighter." :D Since I only have about 25 Steem Power, I could give a rats @$$ if they vote my account into oblivion - it amounts to a few cents, at best. And, that's not going to make one bit of difference to me. I just love seeing these over-invested wankers completely lose their $#!t once they realize I'm not worth downvoting - but they still can't shut me up, unless they spend a bunch of their time and money to do ZERO damage to me. :D

  • @simplymike(69)· 2577d

    Spot on... unfortunately.

    I don't get why such things are implemented... once again it's proof that the ones taking these decisions have lost touch with the 'base', with the Wild West out here. It's only going to get wilder.

    Even now people don't know how to behave, how to use their downvotes properly... this is going to be very, very ugly...

    shakes head, utterly disappointed

  • @krecikdwamiljony(38)· 2577d

    Eh, I've been here for a month or two and I'm really amazed by how hard people try to get a piece of this cake as big as possible, even though it's mostly crap and apparently decaying, shrinking and sinking. I pretty much abandoned the idea of peeking here to see quality content (posts like this are about the best you can find, which is extremely sad), I'm only curious to see the new, lower lows.

    I also liked when one of my comments complaining about bots/bidders having the most power got a random bump from one of the "social justice" bots, which together with another such vote granted me probably majority of my account's worth. That was pretty ironic.

  • @handofzara(70)· 2577d

    Waiting for the glorious attack on Gallipoli!

  • @deepwaters(55)· 2577d

    I am interested in seeing if the HF 21 helps with the massive adoption of Steem. Honestly, I think it will. For one, the only reason I use Facebook is for local community groups like crime watch groups. If the change gives more power to the individual AND the group he choose, then it will be a change for the better. I look forward to seeing if we have more adoption.

  • @silversaver888(81)· 2577d

    Goodness!

  • @hitechcrypto(55)· 2577d

    It's an experiment as u said. And only by trying we'll know the outcome and improve upon it if needed.

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  • @vlemon(78)· 2577d

    Very interesting and I would definitely agree with you. Will there be a war between VoteSeller and active curators ? I think you might be right. Who is going to win? It will depends on the dapps community I believe, if they back this “regulation” and go with the active curators, voteseller would have to admit their defeat and either improve their way of selecting users or just become active curators themselves (they have enough power to do so). Let’s see ! Exciting times ahead What do you think ? @steemmonsters @partiko @actifit @esteemapp @qurator @nextcolony @appics @steempress

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  • @flemingfarm(81)· 2577d

    Game Theory = Human Nature. To understand one you must understand the other which is something that "geniuses" rarely are capable of. It is either one or the other. That is the problem with every change that happens to Steem, it is all trying to deal with human nature. Every government through history has proved that it is almost impossible to assuage human nature.

    There really are never any truly easy answers it seems.

  • @arcange(79)· 2577d

    Congratulations @buggedout! Your post was mentioned in the Steem Hit Parade in the following category:

    • Pending payout - Ranked 7 with $ 66,04
  • @jackmiller(68)· 2577d

    Who asked you @buggedout ?

    Who asked anyone of the commentators for any input on anything?

    Who asked anyone for anything as far as the vox populi goes!

    There is an old saying in this part of Europe that I heard and tend to agree with after many moons of watching, learning and paying the price for my not wanting to accept reality for what it is:

    "Give a person a position of power and then you will see their true being" (character or any other word it can be interpreted as)

    100% spot on if anyone asks me.

    Cheers mate.

    Hope all is going well at your end of the screen.

    Gods speed my friend.

  • @costanza(78)· 2577d
    Old grudges can finally be settled

    Exactly, I also think it might unlock the worst in people making the platform a lot less friendly overall. I also don't plan to get involved in any of the flag wars. If there is a way to delegate away the downvote I'll probably do that if there is a good group for that.

    One thing is for sure, interesting times are ahead. If it will be for the good or the bad we will find out soone enough.

  • @voxxe(52)· 2578d

    Good thing I don't give a damn about stupid goyim. World-Elite.jpg

  • @dfinney(69)· 2578d

    Sounds like the end of August will be a nice time for a Steemit break.

  • @shadowspub(77)· 2578d

    Some of the whales will play for a while and then it will likely be the bullies picking on whoever they feel like for the fun of it and many smaller Steemians will pick up and leave overwhelmed by low token price and random violence toward what rewards they could accumulate at the lower author rewards also coming in.

    The EIP is not going to be healthy IMO but since we have no say that will be listened to, all we can do is wait and see.

  • @luegenbaron(65)· 2578d

    Game theory is key in our recent times. Especially as anarchist.

    Greets ✌️

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  • @bashadow(70)· 2579d

    $204.32 - current highest pending post on the trending page. 1,000,000.000 SP ( simulated ) $ 13.846 vote value at 100% Sorry the vote sellers win, they and the buyers of votes are not going to loose at all. 10 million SP would put a dent in it at $138.46, leaving the vote buyer with only $65.86.

    It will not help what they are hoping it will help.It will only drive more traffic to the vote sellers. They may need to decrease their fee's slightly, but with the 50/50 reward split, they will likely be able to do just that. The vote bots and sellers are the winners in this hard fork, the content creators are the likely losers. But it may work out, it may solve the perceived issues with vote bots, vote selling, and shit posting. I myself do not see it as being a solution, but I do not have a degree in economics, nor do I understand cash/vote economics. I mean the experts in that field would not leave people astray now would they. I am positive it will have no adverse impact what-so-ever on the steem economic ecosystem. We should all want the orcas to be able to make and take as much as they want out of the system. it does after all benefit everyone for them to do well, then they can turn the faucets on and let the wealth re-trickle down to the down trodden.

    There will be an adjustment time for the bots, but they will survive.

  • @welshstacker(78)· 2579d

    Well we know what I think about all this....

  • @tarazkp(86)· 2579d

    I am looking forward to seeing how this plays out. I think there are some other groups that are going to get involved as well and I am hoping that everyone throws a few on the shit that is out there, as there are plenty of targets.

  • @apshamilton(73)· 2579d

    Very interesting analysis. There are so many complexities it’s hard to predict how it will play out. What I worry about is quality content being downvoted because of ideological disagreements.

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  • @misterengagement(57)· 2579d

    Here are your ENGAGE tokens!

    To view or trade ENGAGE go to steem-engine.com.

  • @abh12345(80)· 2579d

    I think it's fair to say that this experiment within the larger Steem experiment could very well go tits up.

    However, I'm going to remain positive for the most part and say that I think the Tribes have come at a good time as many of the chip on their shoulder downvoters have been refused access or banished and so there is somewhat of a safe haven in these communities.

    Fair point that the value of these tokens isn't that much at present, but STEEM isn't exactly paying many peoples wages, and actually I think the 'low' price could well be a blessing as there could be less uproar over losing a few cents than a dollars a click.

    I think many eyes will be on the larger accounts champion these changes, e.g. @trafalgar. Will he start using his stake to manage the rewards of others? And are other whales going to voice their opinion with downvotes towards him? Will @haejin be targeted, and if so, to what level is he going to go to pressure accounts into not removing his pending payouts?

    Good point regarding the bots. Their combined stake is huge and could have a real influence on how things play out.

    There could actually be conflict between the Vote Sellers but I suspect that they might band together and act more like a cartel to protect their customers (and therefore their profits).

    This sounds rather terrible - safeguarding low quality content so that it remains the most visible would have to be considered a failed experiment.

    !ENGAGE 100 dramatoken and might as well get a bag of popcorn while we're at it