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HF 21 - Some Thoughts on the Changes to Come

HF21 is on the way, almost a year after HF20.  I’m really glad now I am no longer a witness.  I remember the stress HF20 cause me last year.  No longer being a witness means this year I can look at things with a different hat on and so much less stress.  I do hope the witnesses don't end up working day and night to quickly fix bugs and roll out a load of new released within the weeks that follow.   I hope it goes smooth and the testing has been done!

The changes coming are rather big.  First, the rewards pool will no longer be split 3 ways,  but 4.  Added to the mix will be a proposal fund and anyone can submit a proposal to access some of that fund. That means there is less available to content creators and curators.

Next, is the split between authors and curators.  This will change from 75/50 to 50/50, on a reduced rewards pool.

Then we have a change in the payments to authors away from a linear curve.

Finally, we will also have some free downvotes.

I ran some math when this was all announced.  I took a weeks’ worth of posts, reduced the pool by 10% and then recalculated the rewards based on the new curve and the new 50/50 split.  As an author I wanted to see where I stand.  Frist, I thought I must have done something very wrong in the workings.  But now looking back, I’m not so sure I made that big of a mistake.

What I would say is that with the new downvotes, it’s too hard to know what will really happen.  Taking a week worth of posts and revaluing them without factoring in some sort of downvotes that was not there before is not the right approach.  But knowing how people are going to use these is way beyond the capabilities of my crystal ball.

However, when the HF is rolled out, from what I understand and please do correct me if I am wrong, posts for the previous 7 days will be revalued and paid out under the new system.  That’s a week of no flags and I think my workings truly reflect that week.  Hold on to your hats, its going to be an interesting time.  People that have not done their research are in for a big surprise.

I still don’t want to share my workings and I am still hoping I am wrong. If the testing has been done, then I am for sure not the only one to have revalued the posts and tested the impact.  But as I am not a witness I don't feel responsible and don't feel like I have to share.  However it looks to me like if we don’t all change our voting and flagging behaviour, like big big time, the rich are about to get richer and the higher SP holders stand to gain.  I think we will see a massive clear out of steem users.  Users that were previously able to earn up to a dollar per post. The same users, holding low SP won’t see much benefit from increased curation rewards either because their votes is worth nothing anyway.

I was hoping some measures would reduce the downwards pressure on the selling of steem. 50% curation rewards mean more SP gets powered up and has to go thought the 13-week power down.  However, my fear is that the proposal pool will exert downwards pressure and we won’t see the benefit of additional steem power being locked into the system.  

Steemit inc funds by selling steem

Mostly likely the proposal pool will fund by selling steem

Misterdelegation (although being revised) funds by projects delegatees powering down and selling steem

Authors and curators are expected to power up for reduced rewards to fund?????

It will be the new year before the dust settles on this one!

I think on that note, I will end the post.

Comments · 31

  • @apostle-thomas(54)· 2572d

    Somebody got spooked by the number of words in this blog posting ~ 666 words! Is this an omen @paulag?

  • @apostle-thomas(54)· 2572d

    Thanks for the heads up @paulag. I had my suspicions all along.

    What can be accomplished in the long-term after HF21?

    When you run the numbers to factor in human behavior and the disgruntled off-chain chatter in the social media platform blogging space, HF21 is a self-inflicted fatal error!

    I suspect there is another agenda that doesn't serve all the users of the STEEM blockchain... I that's the case, too bad!

    The prospects of lower Steem rewards that are harder than ever to earn is the worst combination in this space right now. I am glad I made the moves that I did when I did because I smelt a real funky fish fry about to take place. @exyle has made a number of posts about the HF21. Now, you have all but, confirmed my best guesstimates of what is going to happen.

    Thanks for everything @paulag, continue to be the best at what you do ~ Steem On!

  • @flaxz(75)· 2574d

    Thanks for a great post @paulag, and I have also read some of the comments, and what strikes me is that this discussion is very focused on Steem specifically, of course HF21 is a Steem specific change, but also some comments are only seeing the tribes as an offset to compensate for lower earnings in Steem.

    Allow me to elaborate but I don't think that is the whole picture, now tribes are of course very early in their development and it will take some time to see which ones will be a success, but give it a bit more time and the tribes will be where most new and small Steemians will have the majority of their earnings and rewards.

    And in my opinion this development will be accelerated with HF21, since new and small Steemians are not getting much reward in Steem, they will only power up to the point where they don't have to worry about RC, and just leave it at that, Steem will then just be the token that takes care of running the blockchain and as the trading pair in Steem-engine.

    This of course also means that having a big stake in Steem is less relevant, because that does not automatically mean that you also have a big stake in the tribes, and the small Steem stakeholders will mainly just care about stake in the tribes, which they are also more likely to earn really big in to the point that they can become way bigger in the tribes than the whales in Steem are, thereby the stake that those Steem whales have is not relevant to their earnings in the tribes, even with free downvotes since those downvotes might not have more than a marginal effect on their earnings from the tribes.

    And as to myself, I am a minnow in Steem, and I have been playing around a bit with some tribes, but last week CTPtalk launched, and this is a tribe which I really beleive in and am very interested in, to the point I have bought quite a bit of their tokens by selling Steem, and I plan on continue that route, I am already a minnow there and in less than two weeks from now I plan on being a dolphin in that tribe.

    My stake in Steem will of course also continue to grow from the rewards in Steempower, but I have no plans of powering up any Steem going forward, and I will not participate in any SPUD, I will invest most of my liquid earnings in the tribes, since that is where I see myself having a big chance to earn from the very start of them.

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  • @minismallholding(75)· 2576d

    Do you know what amount of SP upvote it will take to tip the scale to get past that first part of the curve? The only example I've seen had it at 100,000 SP, which would knock most authors out of the running. I wonder how it will affect initiatives like SBI.

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  • @skramatters(67)· 2576d

    The upside of 20 cent steem is both big and small will feel forced to stick it out and work together to raise the price through burns or something who knows.. ...i know even I'm not willing to part with my lil steem until something gives, if it's 10 cents it's not really any different than now. Both dime and quarter steem are basically worthless to everyone here and below 10 you're looking at imminent death.. So it's time to shit or get off the pot is all I'm saying.. Forks aren't going to do jack for our not even top 80 chain..

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  • @crypto.piotr(65)· 2577d

    Dear @paulag

    Thank you for sharing your view on that particular issue with us. HF21 is surely bringing even more emotions that HF20 did. At least that's my impression so far.

    Next, is the split between authors and curators. This will change from 75/50 to 50/50, on a reduced rewards pool.

    I'm wondering what do you think about this split? I've been monitoring PAL and LEO tokens (since both introduced 50/50 already) and selling pressure seem to be very high. Which really worries me.

    Then we have a change in the payments to authors away from a linear curve.

    This seem to be the most important change for those who like to upvote valuable comments. Correct me if I'm wrong but right now it will be way more "expensive" to give someone small 0.03$ upvote than it has been in the past, right?

    I'm really worried that culture of upvoting comments will die down.

    Just like you said: it will be an interesting time. It's hard not to agree with your words: "I think we will see a massive clear out of steem users.". I'm really worried about this HF21 and its future consequences.

    Yours Piotr

  • @ammonite(73)· 2577d

    Things have become stagnant so I am all for change, any change to buck this place up. There is always Hf22 if things go pear shaped

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  • @julescape(67)· 2578d

    Thanks @paulagI appreciate your candor. Now as a new account, this is devastating news HF21. Here is my opinion to the originators of the HF21:

    Steemit will die. Good bye steemit, fail!!! What a joke. Who runs this farce of a platform? You are killing yourself you parasite of a steemit board who introduces HF21. Kleptocratic crony capitalism just like the rest of the world in the criminal fiat system. You guys suck...the life out of your own platform. Only fools and horses and you Steemit board members.

  • @partiko(66)· 2578d

    Thank you so much for participating in the Partiko Delegation Plan Round 1! We really appreciate your support! As part of the delegation benefits, we just gave you a 3.00% upvote! Together, let’s change the world!

  • @olivia08(73)· 2578d

    I hope every thing will be gonna right. I love steemit and now it makes me feel something bad.

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  • @creativetruth(71)· 2578d

    Look at it from their point of view. After this hard fork, the strong and powerful will accumulate more power to ensure future hard forks work for their benefit first.

    Okay, now you can slap me.

  • @johnhtims(58)· 2578d

    the rich are about to get richer and the higher SP holders stand to gain. I think we will see a massive clear out of steem users. Users that were previously able to earn up to a dollar per post. The same users, holding low SP won’t see much benefit from increased curation rewards either because their votes is worth nothing anyway.

    THIS. Convergent linear is going to hurt the redfish, minnows, and maybe even dolphins BIG TIME. A lot of them don't realize it yet though.

  • @maxwellmarcusart(80)· 2578d

    My hands are wide open to receive any change. I am prepared for. But one thing is for sure - the rich will get richer.

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  • @bluefinstudios(72)· 2578d

    i screamed loudly when the HF20 was proposed about how it would affect little accounts. AND ultimately, Steemit.

    HF21 is going to be another hard hit

    At some point, investors will avoid Steem because too many users lost, and not enough new members. At some point the reputation of Steem will scare investors away

  • @bashadow(70)· 2578d

    During HF20, I could see the promise of free account creation for what it was, an empty promise. I got my second standby account for the 3 steem prior to HF20, and that 3 steem went to the account. I urged all my friends that if they thought they might want/need a second account in the future they should get their account prior to the HF.

    On this HF, (HF21), I do not see what I can do or should do to prepare for it. With the advent of all the new tribes I really wish I would have purchased/made even more accounts before HF20.

    So any one with ideas on what I should do to prepare for or change habit wise before HF21 they would certainly be appreciated.

  • @ew-and-patterns(71)· 2578d

    I also think the big SP holders will profit from this a lot. But I am not sure if this is going to be a bad thing in the long run.

    If the big money guys get the hint that they are highly favored when investing big, I think we might be in for a surprise.

    If we are able to get new money from big investors, let's say 40million steem powered up by them over the next 2 years... this would easily stop the downward pressure. Maybe then the time for mass adoption will come.

    Don't forget that 10million USD will give you 15-20 million STEEM at this point in time if you buy it smart over several exchanges and months. The next guy investing 10 million USD will probably not get half of what the first one got. And 10 million is not a terribly big amount for some of the hedge fund guys and big investors...

    Time will tell.

  • @valued-customer(75)· 2578d

    I also wish you were wrong, but sadly you are quite in agreement with the math, and my own assessment.

    The downvote pool is based on SP, and adds 25% of extant SP worth of flags to the power of the account. Almost all SP is presently in the hands of whales, and by using the exponential increase in value of their SP, they capture almost all rewards, ~90% of rewards now go to whales, and this is while rewards are linear. The demonetization of posts by downvoting returns the Steem upvotes have assigned to the post to the rewards pool, where whales can again have a chance to extract it via their stake weight.

    EIP is essentially demonetization of non-whales. It will be catastrophic for social media.

    Thanks!

  • @gadrian(76)· 2578d

    if we don’t all change our voting and flagging behaviour, like big big time, the rich are about to get richer and the higher SP holders stand to gain

    "if we don’t all change our voting and flagging behaviour" -- will this help to reverse the rule "the rich are about to get richer"? :)

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  • @davedickeyyall(79)· 2578d

    I can't upvote due to low VP.. !tip instead...

    I'm already looking forward to HF22..

  • @shanibeer(74)· 2578d

    What changes in our voting and flagging behaviour do you think will be helpful?

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  • @abitcoinskeptic(75)· 2578d

    I guess most users are going to see a drop in steem rewards of 30 to 60 % from the simulations I've done and that cannot account for downvotes. However because of tribes and tokens, this can be offset provided some of the bigger ones continue to thrive.

    I agree things won't get good until after the new years and thats if SMTs are delivered on svhedule. These could increase confodemce in tribes even more.

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  • @erikah(83)· 2578d

    However, when the HF is rolled out, from what I understand and please do correct me if I am wrong, posts for the previous 7 days will be revalued and paid out under the new system.

    😲

  • @toofasteddie(77)· 2578d

    If at least they would start putting some efforts on the marketing side...

  • @allseeingewe(63)· 2578d

    This sounds.... well, not good. It sounds not at all good.

  • @bil.prag(76)· 2578d

    However it looks to me like if we don’t all change our voting and flagging behaviour, like big big time, the rich are about to get richer and the higher SP holders stand to gain. I think we will see a massive clear out of steem users. Users that were previously able to earn up to a dollar per post. The same users, holding low SP won’t see much benefit from increased curation rewards either because their votes is worth nothing anyway.

    this is something i was talking from the first time they mentioned it. One thing that could maybe push it a bit to the better side is heavy downvoting of big stakes that are selfupvoting shitposts and bitbots. now we can just wait and see.

  • @bluerobo(70)· 2578d

    It's a change in favour of the big guys. That's for sure.

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  • @cicisaja(65)· 2578d

    Where the hell steemit road map direct to😯 is this going to be another Lion's club?

  • @jaynie(77)· 2578d

    yeah - very mixed thoughts moving forward... it sure is going to be an interesting ride.