#tagunrelatedtocontent

Remember when tags were used to describe content?

I do, but since the tribes have arrived that seems to have gone to shit. Is there any hope, or are we set for content tagged like this:

Yep, believe me or not, but those were the tags I saw yesterday relating to a post about......

Steemmonsters / Splinterlands

I wonder if the creator was sad they couldn't also add 'spt', 'steemace', and 'battle', which would perhaps be more appropriate for the Post.

Four out of those 5 tags are fairly legit though, and the creator may even have a solid case to use 'steemleo' as they were also discussing 'investing' in the Orbs you can buy with DEC within the game.

The thing is though, none of the above tags describe the actual content of the post.

Is that an issue for you?

If this account found an interface that allowed more tags (there are some), would they choose to tag the other tribes that had no specific content focus over tags trying to describe what their content was about?

Maybe no-one cares about this and I'm just being a grump.

The 'I've invested in this tribe so I can tag this tribe and steemleo' Post

Is starting to piss me off also.

I'm staked in 9 tribes now and so at least I have my Posts sorted for the next week and a half......

Using Tags in Comments

Seen that one? It's pretty cool. The first tag of the main comment (Post) will seemingly always be included in the comment, but some of the others are missing at times.

If you use a bunch of tags in a comment and someone upvotes with an account that holds stake relating to those tags, you'll get lots more votes.

Not that anyone is upvoting comments much anymore.

Personally, if I see this 'tag fishing' and the tags don't relate to the content, it's a no vote from me.

OK I think I've finished moaning. Don't share this one on Twitter.

Glad to be back!

Asher

_{And now I've come to the point where I enter the tags and risk being a total hypocrite. Oh well, I guess nopal4me, noleo4me, nomarlians4me, noneoxian4me, nosports4me, no spt, no battle, and no game today. Taking my busy vote though.}

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@soyrosa(75)· 2584d
Here, I'll just leave you to enjoy this tag fest :P

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@blazing(71)· 2588d
time changed completely so does steemit will
@sco(65)· 2588d
Maybe code should be implemented to discriminate between content tags and app/tribe tags. 5 tags for tribes that can be assigned automatically, 5 for content that can only be set manually?
@samuel-swinton(65)· 2588d
Favorite tag on this post is "busy" lol. #hastag

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@glenalbrethsen(71)· 2588d
Hey, @abh12345.

You're certainly not lacking from input on this particular topic.

For me, I'm a little divided in that these tribes or communities, if they actually provide eyes on posts, can be helpful. The problem is, I'm afraid that people are just hoping that someone, anyone, will read their posts, without really having or taking the time to read someone else's posts. Reciprocation is hard to come by around here in any part of STEEM.

You know better than I how tags aren't necessarily used the way they should be, even before the advent of dApps and now tribes. While they're meant to filter down, or provide up to five different places for a post to be found (I guess there could be more depending on the front end you use), based on subject matter, they generally end up somewhere the author believes it will be seen.

I'm concerned that without some white or black listing, that these tribes will end up being another extension of what tags have become—an attempt to appropriate places where an author can maximize their profits without really adhering to any particular rules or topics.

If moderators are indeed looking after the integrity of their tribes, good for them. That can be a lonely, thankless job in the face of an onslaught that's sure to come if there are any major upvotes involved.
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@abitcoinskeptic(75)· 2588d
It makes me sad too. However a lot of posts only need one real tag so there are 4 left. I suggest people stop using tags like 'blog' 'life' amd 'steem' for most posts

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@adsup(61)· 2588d
TAG WARS WE NEED A GAME.

This post was curated by @adsup a division of @adsactly.

I feel your pain and I love the tribes, but yeah it's messy.
@holoz0r(78)· 2588d
Selling your tags are the new bidbots.

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@ironshield(76)· 2588d
I think content tags are overrated. 2 years posting and curating here, i've never browsed by tag or keyword. Might as well use them to assign posts to the proper tribe. The new condensers allow for more than five tags. #neoxian #palnet
@thedarkhorse(68)· 2588d
You point out one with 5 tags, noticed one yesterday with 8 tags that were all token related and none about the content.

I've struggled with this concept. We are powering up #palnet and #neoxian tokens and want to further reward the PIFC community, but that means entries now we need to waste 2 tags. They are both general content tags, but to have 2 of 5 eaten up on just earning those tokens kind of sucks.

Not sure that the current system behind the token market is helping Steem as a whole. In time 90% of these tokens will have 0 value anyways so time will likely fix some of the issue, but until then I'd love to see a solution.
@yabapmatt(72)· 2588d
There is a json_metadata field included with comment operations on the blockchain which can contain arbitrary data. Ideally the information about the tribes in which a post can be upvoted would be added as a new property there and not by bogarting the existing tags feature (which is also stored in the json_metadata field btw).

The issue is that if a new, custom property was used, then it would only be possible to publish posts that can accept payouts in SE tokens through UIs that support this new feature. So by using tags it's possible to post through any front-end and have the post be eligible for SE token rewards without those front-ends needing to do anything to support it.

FWIW my original design called for the use of a new json_metadata property and not to use tags, but it was implemented using tags initially just because they were easier to use for testing (before there was nitrous or any of that), and it just stayed that way.

Ultimately though, I think front-ends can come up with a lot better ways to group and organize content than the existing tags feature, so maybe the fact that tribes are messing with the use of the tags will encourage some front-ends to start experimenting with other mechanisms.
@ervin-lemark(76)· 2588d
Hey, I feel that my post, at least partially, triggered your article.

You are right, of course.

Yet, looking from the perspective of uncensored blockchain-based media you can use any tag for anything and let your audience decide what to do with it.

There is no such thing as copyright over a tag :)
@simplymike(69)· 2588d
I thought the problem of people leaving out the categorization tags would be solved by posting through one of the SCOT-tribes, which allow you to use 10 tags. The first 5 are being picked up by SteemIt and alternative interfaces, so it would be perfect to use the 5 first tags to categorize your content, and use the last 5 tags to add the tribes of your choice. At least, one would be able to reach his targeted audience with his post, right?!

Unfortunately, after doing a couple of experiments myself by posting through palnet, and asking around about the other sites, I found out that the sites mess up the order of your tags. As a result, what I thought could be a solution isn't one, so I went back to using 5 tags and posting through busy.org. At least, they give me that upvote :0)
@karinxxl(76)· 2588d
hehehe I looked back and knew instantly it was my post ;)

The thing is what I find with tags....if you write about everyday stuff, there is hardly a tag that describes it all except for the #life tag, but reality is...that is so broad that nobody cares really about it. Also when I am searching for tags I come to the conclusion that I actually never search on tags, only when it is something extremely specific, like the #beos one I was looking for back then.

So yes..if there is a specific topic (steemmonsters could have surely done the trick in this one) it will sure contribute on finding it, but when on everyday stuff, I decided to use everyday tags...which in this case I indeed found the steemleo tag legit because there is some finance in there....

I agree with you on that the tags should totally not be mis-used, and that is a reward-rape on this and it deserves a flag...but especially the broad boards...yeah...what is the content then really about

Its.....a new challenge!
@ashtv(71)· 2589d
You’ve raised a fair point here.

I’ll try in my own posts to be more conscious, and tag appropriately as well as for the tribes. 👍🏻

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@plantstoplanks(72)· 2589d
We were just talking about tags in the PHC discord the other day. I struggle with what to use myself, as I have been asked and encouraged to use certain of the tribe tags. But then I want to actually have my post tagged by the content I'm sharing, as well. Though does it even matter at this point? Does anyone actually search by tags to find content they like? I know I did when I just started so I could find content I actually enjoyed, but now I have so many people I try to support regularly that I have to admit I don't venture out to search new content out as much as I would like. #baffled 🤷‍♀️
@tarazkp(86)· 2589d
I have never used tags to search content as from the start I found them far too poor as there was so much miscategorized ~~crap~~ stuff.

Not sure what the solution is as I would still want to be able to keep my posts fronting in the right places as well as the obvious tokens that come with it.

I am going to start being stricter post HF with it.
@bashadow(70)· 2589d
I must say I sort of agree, I started using my #justbecause tag as the first tag on most of my post because no one could tell me to remove it for tag abuse. I don't know if they fixed the first tag changeable or not, but not taking chances with it.

I sometimes remember to throw a Tribal Tag in every now and then, but not often any more. I am trying to move back to having tag fun. Prior to the tribes my tags looked something like this: justbecause alaska hasmoose moosemonday animatedgif.
I use to like to have fun with my tags, now they look something like justbecause palnet steemleo virtualcoins neoxian. The tags fit with the communities, but other than virtualcoins give no clue as to what the post was about, (nothing other than my first dozen coins/tokens, I got).

I look on all my Tribe feeds, and they have some nicely chosen categories, especially the Sports Talk tribe, but with all the Tribal tags being used, are any of the category tags being used. If we have to just scroll down through the primary tag on a feed it did nothing to help the content consumer like me. I may as well stick with surfing the trending tag on steemit.

I am trying to return to tag fun, if I can ever get around to creating a post again. Learning takes a lot of time.
@meesterboom(81)· 2589d
It's not grumping. I hate the tag misuse these days most to claim tokens. Back in the day or read severely frowned upon but unfortunately with the tokens seems to have come a screening greed for all of them
@enjar(79)· 2589d
I remember when people use to actual post content on this site! Those where the days!

What’s funny about all this is I was one of those “nope” I know how this is going end and even refused to use such tags. Now I use a bunch of them. Mostly due to myself caving in after being requested by a number of people who said “my kind of content would be welcome in such tribes" and it was true!

Remember when you could get 10 tags if you post from a scot tribe? I sure remember those last slots are perfect for scot tribes as long as you are using one of them to get listed in the first 5 slots.

I’ve only just found that out the other day so I gave it a try. Where it moved my gaming tag to 6th and put planet first out of 6th. Oopps I’m still learning.

I think that gives people lots of room to still have tags about the content.

Great thing is if those scot tribes don’t want people using them they can just mute them out. I have had great support when using them and feel like my content is more than welcome in the number of places I choose to use. Some of them even have put my content into trending on them or highlighted my content.

I do think it’s a healthy thing to do in taking a look at what takes people are using and having a legit reason for doing so.

Here are mine on my last post that I used mostly as a test. Since I am finally giving into the madness and people are in fact choosing to support those efforts even beyond what I was expecting.

#Knights and #eos is about the game I reviewed called no shock EOS Knights. It’s both on EOS blockchain and your character are called knights!

#Stateofthedapps, I’m trying work out how the heck to get my posts that talk about those dapps on their site to be listed under critics review (still no luck!) I think this could help brining more traffic to Steem itself so I might just contact them to see what’s the deal. Let the cat in!!!!!!

#Palnet as a lot of my supporters are over there and I use and even post from that site. People a number of times even told me it be nice to see “my kind of content over there.”

#Steemace and #battle are both gaming tags and tribes. #Steemace was even kind enough to mention one of my posts. I have also been getting more views and votes by using these gaming tags.

#Powerhousecreatives is my main community these days. They even support my content outside of the Steem bubble to help attract more views and clicks to Steem. I honesty wish more community where putting in that kind of effort in bringing more traffic to the site.

#neoxian I’m giving a try at a request of some supporters that are active over there. I joined their discord and talked a little bit. Not quite sure yet if I will keep using them in the future. It will depend if one of the community I’m in choose to adapt using that tag and their tokens or not.

Now you might be thinking but Enjar you still have room. Your dam right I do. Just waiting for the #abh12345 engagement tribe so I can get even more engaged on my posts! Than I can stop trying sell my tokens for like 1.5 Steem each or what ever crazy amount I put my engagement up for ;p
@chekohler(76)· 2589d
I remember those days, it made curation a little bit easier, now it's gone to shit as you said. I think it would be helpful if we had a spot designated for tribe tags

While another section for content tags, will help with the categorization of content and associating specific keywords with specific tribe sites.
@justineh(72)· 2589d
Remember when content was more than about just crapping something out to get as many upvotes (now across multiple tribes and “tokens”) as you possibly could?

I think I do.. but sometimes I wonder 😜

The tags are insane and there has to be a better was to select what tribes you want your content to show up on, as that is my understanding of the purpose of using them.

It’s hilarious that the one you used as an example didn’t even include anything about the content itself lol... I mean who cares what the point is about... just give me muh tokens!!

All snark aside, I love tribes and what it could mean for Steem... but the UI aftermath is a bit unpleasant currently. But hey, there is a lot of trial and error when experimenting with new things. 🙂
@freebornangel(72)· 2589d
Maybe they should change eligibility from tags to token staking? If I have pal staked, all my posts should be pal eligible? Then we can worry about it less. Let their abuse police police the tag abuse.
@demotruk(75)· 2589d
We really should have come up with a convention for content-type, language etc. years ago.
@steevc(80)· 2589d
I do use tags to find content sometimes, so I hope they don't die out. Don't think I've used more than two to get tokens or votes. Maybe the sites should allow more than 5 as it is but a blockchain limitation. I did a dtube post yesterday and it only allowed one tag. That seems strange.
@nonameslefttouse(77)· 2589d
Since it's so out of control, I've been downvoting. And since my account has many different staked tokens, these abusers stand to lose more than they bargained for; and that's their problem.
@crypticat(74)· 2589d
I've been downvoting extreme tag abuse a little lately and don't mind ramping up that game some more. You definetely won't get my upvote if you spam tags. I assume it will become dangerous to spam tags if hf21 arrives and there are free downvotes.

Better to focus on decent content in one community and earn 100s of tokens that get dust from 7 or 8 communities and waste people's time. Posters like these aren't making any friends.

So yes, there is hope, one thing I propose for SPS if it happens is make a tag filter so we can hide these spammers from our searches for relevant content.

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@johnhtims(58)· 2589d
Tag limits need to be increased across all front ends. Starting with steemit.com. Tribes aren't going away any time soon so steem needs to adapt.
@enforcer48(75)· 2589d

If you use a bunch of tags in a comment and someone upvotes with an account that holds stake relating to those tags, you'll get lots more votes

I don't think that works? But yeah, there are plenty of those fishers out there and some of them wonder why they get muted, blacklisted, etc.
@nealmcspadden(74)· 2589d
There is definitely abuse, but I think there are plenty of legitimate uses as well.

I tag a lot of stuff with spt, palnet, and steemleo because it's about investment yields in splinterlands and I'm a member of the PAL community.

Ideally, tribes would have a different identification mechanism than tags. Maybe that will come with SMTs in 2024.
@doggodfroglog(57)· 2589d
I think tags are a poor choice all around. There's a reason they've been dropped hard by better content platforms/search algorithms. We need a better system.

Thanks for tip on comments. I guess that's another silly thing I gotta do.

#tag

The 'I've invested in this tribe so I can tag this tribe and steemleo' Post

Using Tags in Comments

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