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Would it be possible to download skills into your brain like in the movie Matrix?

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Most of us have seen the matrix movies in which you simply download a program into your brain and can then kung fu, kick thai boxing or karate like the masters or you know how to fly helicopters without any training. Would that work? Maybe in the distant future but in the moment and in the near future it will be impossible.

Our brain is not a computer in the sense that we know it from our computers at home. Our brain, as far as we know, does not process digital informations. Our brain is a learning machine. We as humans must first learn to master a skill. This includes gaining experience, which our brain processes.

While your computer is as stupid today as it was yesterday. Your computer, on the other hand, doesn't learn, not even through its mistakes. You control your computer. But different is again with an AI. Depending on the development of an AI, it is capable of learning, but in turn it lacks the process of collecting experiences, as a human does. To compare our consciousness or mind with an AI is therefore not really correct.

Our brain has no windows, it has no software, it has no programming, but a mind that has to be filled through experiences that make people learn with the help of the senses. And over the years, it's the human being that develops. With a computer, you can immediately program in something that it must be able to do immediately. Of course it would be an advantage if we were designed like that, but would we still be human beings then?

There are the first steps of brain-computer-interfaces already today, but here it is the case that humans use the machine as an aid and not to download new abilities into their brains. And to control the aid technology, humans must first learn how to control it for the first time with a long process of training.

Would it be possible to establish a communication between brain and computer, where one could download information and programs of the computer onto one's brain? Most likely yes. But the interface between digital information and memory is a bit complicated, because both can be seen as two different operating systems or languages. We don't know exactly which language our brain speaks yet. We first have to find a common language between computers and our brain and that will take many decades.

So don't expect that you will soon become a kung-fu or karate master by simply pressing a button or that you will be able to download all informations from the internet into your brain that you want.

But such a technology would also be a bit dangerous. What would happen if you were able to reset your brain? And let's think further: What if a dangerous AI was developed, reprograms itself and hides itself in the wide spaces of the internet and then disguises itself as something that people want to download onto their brains, and people download the AI into their brains?

Or a simpler example: a virus?

Or a trojan with which a hacker can control YOU

[source](http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02784/matrix-system-fail_2784216k.jpg)

Comments · 16

  • @erh.germany(68)· 2691d

    I wouldn't give Ray Kurzweil (as recommended from another user) so much attention as he is the most well known figure in the scene. Rather I'd look for authors who have an unusual approach to this topic. Like the author here, who talks about AI myths:

    Human minds are societies of minds, in the words of Marvin Minsky. We run on ecosystems of thinking. We contain multiple species of cognition that do many types of thinking: deduction, induction, symbolic reasoning, emotional intelligence, spacial logic, short-term memory, and long-term memory. The entire nervous system in our gut is also a type of brain with its own mode of cognition. We don’t really think with just our brain; rather, we think with our whole bodies.

    https://www.wired.com/2017/04/the-myth-of-a-superhuman-ai/

  • @chesatochi(73)· 2691d

    Our brain is much poweful that we think and we don't know how to use the full capacity of it!

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  • @kalma(46)· 2691d

    Lol I was watching matrix 2 day ago . And for a moment I believe is possible that us can download programs to our brain .

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  • @arcange(79)· 2691d

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  • @hartnell(55)· 2691d

    Most of us have seen the matrix movies in which you simply download a program into your brain and can then kung fu, kick thai boxing or karate like the masters or you know how to fly helicopters without any training.

    Yes, I have.

    Would that work?

    No, it won't, for many reasons.

    The primary reason is that the idea of learning this way is a movie's plot device not based on any knowledge or understanding of either how a computer or our brains work.

    Our brain is not a computer in the sense that we know it from our computers at home.

    Being a programmer, I can assure you that our brain IS a computer in the same way my laptop is a computer. It's a different kind of computer, but a computer nonetheless. It computes.

    https://steemit.com/psychology/@hartnell/is-the-human-brain-like-a-computer

    Our brain, as far as we know, does not process digital informations.

    That's debatable.

    Digital in terms of computer science means that information at it's base is represented in some rigid, definite (non-squishy) form. You're familiar with this as the 1's and 0's of binary code. This is contrasted with analog, which can vary beyond some set rigid and definite values.

    Our neurons carry digital information along their axion as either an on (1) or off (0) signal. Ergo, our neurons carry digital information.

    My point in describing this is to point out that whether or not our brain is a digital computer is a moot point.

    The essential difference in how our brain processes raw, bare metal level information is that the standard CPU processes information sequentially while a network of our neurons process information in parallel.

    Our brain is a learning machine. We as humans must first learn to master a skill. This includes gaining experience, which our brain processes.

    But different is again with an AI. Depending on the development of an AI...

    Yes, depending on the type of AI framework you're using, for example, if you were to use an artificial neural network used to evolve robot behavior, or a simple perceptron used to recognize tomatoes in photographs....

    it is capable of learning,

    ... such systems are indeed capable of learning and MUST learn through being taught specifically by...

    Your computer, on the other hand, doesn't learn, not even through its mistakes.

    but in turn it lacks the process of collecting experiences, as a human does.

    ... collecting the experiences of having it's mistakes corrected. In fact, there's a word for it: back propagation.

    To compare our consciousness or mind with an AI is therefore not really correct.

    Heh. Well, now you know.

    There are the first steps of brain-computer-interfaces already today, but here it is the case that humans use the machine as an aid and not to download new abilities into their brains.

    We already extend our mental faculties in a valid "cybernetic", albiet low tech way. A notepad extends memory.

    And to control the aid technology, humans must first learn how to control it for the first time with a long process of training.

    Fair enough, I didn't learn how to use language or to write that language in a few minutes, and had to go through a long process of learning these things... just to extend my memory using a notepad.

    Would it be possible to establish a communication between brain and computer, where one could download information and programs of the computer onto one's brain? Most likely yes

    Most likely, no. But... there is a way...

    But the interface between digital information and memory is a bit complicated, because both can be seen as two different operating systems or languages. We don't know exactly which language our brain speaks yet. We first have to find a common language between computers and our brain and that will take many decades.

    This is a moot point. Memory is stored as physical changes within our brain.

    So don't expect that you will soon become a kung-fu or karate master by simply pressing a button or that you will be able to download all informations from the internet into your brain that you want.

    But as I said... there's is a way... something that's really good, works now, and doesn't rely on any of this random speculation.

    But such a technology would also be a bit dangerous. What would happen if you were able to reset your brain? And let's think further: What if a dangerous AI was developed, reprograms itself and hides itself in the wide spaces of the internet and then disguises itself as something that people want to download onto their brains, and people download the AI into their brains?

    Uh....

    Or a simpler example: a virus?

    K.

    Or a trojan with which a hacker can control YOU

    Well... as someone who has a bit of hypnotist training I can bloviate at length on how control of someone could be achieved... but it still has nothing to do with the ideas you've presented here.

    So, about that method of rapid learning I hinted at... as a method it's called "decoded neurofeedback." The process :

    1. Measure the activity in the brain of someone who has some skill.
    2. Train the "learner" to approximate this state of activity using neurofeedback.

    Ergo, it's all about state, not memory. And, this is a method that's being used now.

    Decoded Neurofeedback (DecNef) is the process of inducing knowledge in a subject by increasing neural activation in predetermined regions in the brain, such as the visual cortex. This is achieved by measuring neural activity in these regions via functional magnetic resonance imaging (FMRI), comparing this to the ideal pattern of neural activation in these regions (for the intended purpose), and giving subjects feedback on how close their current pattern of neural activity is to the ideal pattern. Without explicit knowledge of what they are supposed to be doing or thinking about, over time participants learn to induce this ideal pattern of neural activation. Corresponding to this, their 'knowledge' or way of thinking has been found to change accordingly.

    Experiments conducted in 2011 at Boston University (BU) and ATR Computational Neuroscience Laboratories in Kyoto, Japan demonstrated that volunteers were able to quickly solve complex visual puzzles they had not previously had exposure to. They did so by receiving the brain patterns of other volunteers who had already learned to solve the puzzles through trial and error methods.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decoded_neurofeedback

    Cheers.

  • @wilhb81(73)· 2691d

    Hmm, some said it's possible to enhance our brain learning speed and memory up to nearly 90%, if you listen to those binaural beats (Super intelligence, super memory, super learning speed etc)

    I didn't try it for this part, but I did manage to perform "Astral projection" after listened to binaural beats for more than thousand hours @oendertuerk :)

  • @yomismosoy(60)· 2691d

    Sometimes I think some people have no brain, so it's impossible to make some kind of interface with them hehehe...

    Greetings from a Venezuelan artist which is celebrating his first year at Steemit :-D Of course, I'll folloe you!

  • @blaqboybanzo(45)· 2691d

    Interesting article @oendertuerk, I would like mention the anomaly of savants which displays that human beings have abilities which our untapped so there is a lot to learn about what are brain is really capable of but what is most interesting is accidental savants, these are people who are ordinary just like us but the they were they were turned savants by accident. Some of them could remember the calendar by heart like, on which day of the week a particular date was, one guy was beaten up on the head by muggers and afterwards he could see trails of events as if reality was playing frame by frame, but slowly; which allowed him to see mathematical patterns and all sorts of cool things. The point I am trying to make is that it is somehow possible to develop a skill without the traditional way of experience, processing,repetition etc. We just need to learn more about the brain maybe we have all the abilities we can think of we just need to know how to awaken them. I watched a documentary on this and found this article also : https://junkee.com/accidental-savants-inside-the-minds-of-the-worlds-most-unlikely-geniuses/55486

  • @madhusmart(45)· 2691d

    I think so

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  • @vishalhkothari(57)· 2691d

    I think Yes!!!

    As per our Hindu mythology in ancient India some people have great powers which was related with mind and supernatural powers and some of those proofs also there. A person can show a full war to a blind man through his powers, chanting can give you powers and much more...

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  • @yuki-nee(66)· 2691d

    It might be possible to do so in the future. But whether any of us would be alive then is another story. And it would be very convenient if we could make it possible. I mean, if I'm a student, I no longer need to cram during exams. All I need to do is just download everything I need. Of course, it also mean that education will become unnecessary. Basically, such ability will have it pros and cons.

  • @sameershaikh(51)· 2691d

    Interesting subject.

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  • @mkds2012(39)· 2692d

    I think it's an inevitability. The rate of growth of technology is blazing fast.

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  • @coyoteom(50)· 2692d

    Interesting subject and mind-game. I do think that if we can stick around for long enough (with how much damage we've done to our ecosystem) that we could be able to create some sort of bio technology that does work with our brainwaves.

    Perhaps a more fun and human-based method would be attempting knowledge transmission from one human to another through some sort of psychic or meditative trance.

    I was listening to a podcast on the government funding of remote viewing earlier, perhaps some similar techniques could be used to watch and learn skills or techniques. Granted, not quite as quick as hooking up to the matrix machine!

  • @mealhound(57)· 2692d

    I think it's more than possible, i think it's virtually inevitable. If you're familiar with the works of Ray Kurzweil he talk, in great detail, about some of the things you mentioned in your post. Through the use of Nanobots his belief is that eventualy technological intelligence will surpass that of man (the singularity he calls it) as this point the likelihood is that we will be able to do all sorts of things with nano tech at the core. potentially even restoring people to life with tiny strands of DNA, accentuating brains with nanobots. Curing diseases and even ageing and who knows what else. His work is really worth reading and his predictions have had a scary habit of coming true in the past. Great article by the way.

  • @huseyinunozkan16(61)· 2692d

    Thank you for your valuable posts. Bu following you I learn alot about both new scientific inventions and important historical people.

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