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提議:基本投票力、去中心化圖靈測試的真人社交 A proposal: Basic voting power(BVP), Social community of real people by decentralized Turing test(DTT) (English vision available at below)

相信有很多新人用steem一陣子後,就受到衝擊:怎麼跟當初說好的不一樣,發文賺錢呢?根據我的自身經驗,發現這在推廣steem上是一大困難點。新人面對複雜的steem系統,不論發文、投票都無法獲得成就,反應速度、介面語言(我是華人),用戶體驗又比不上主流社群網站,往往覺得灰心、放棄。要以免費帳號的基礎,發展到能有效力的點讚SP,太難了。 日前我讀了https://steempeak.com/palnet/@deanliu/distribution 這篇文章,心有所感。經過一番思考,醞釀出這個想法。我認為其實,無條件基本收入(UBI)也不全是人們要的。我相信,其實大多數的人花較多比例的時間在看文章、留言、點讚上,用在寫文章上的時間不多,所以人們更在乎的,是他們的點讚效力voting power(VP),而這,其實也是社群中社交很重大的一部分。前幾天也讀到一篇文章https://steempeak.com/@annepink/gqe9fclmd5,更加深我的想法。此文中作者很開心她的點讚力能顯現出0.01SBD.

這是我想到的解法:基礎投票力。不是無條件的給予,以避免有人透過大量註冊帳號拿基礎投票力而毀壞steem經濟生態。而配套措施就是我下面說的去中心化圖靈測試,通過此測試的人可以獲得基礎投票力。具體能獲得多少投票力,我建議錨定為75~80%VP一次點讚產生0.01元的量(目前大約500SP),可以考慮增設虛擬steem power(SP),隨價格浮動,給通過認證的人。此虛擬SP不能power down, 代理給別人。當然,如果要實施此提案,要多少VP、SP、怎麼錨定可以再討論。因為我們分享同一個獎金池,讓很多新人取得額外的VP分享獎金池,對目前已經花錢買SP的人,會直接減少手上SP的影響力。不過,如果此提案奏效,長期來看可以讓更多人加入steem, steem價格上升,我們都贏了!

去中心化圖靈測試 我的想法是這樣:在每個ID增設一個頁面,自己可以先聲明這ID是不是有真人操作,還是是機器人用、分身帳號,或不用原因,自己不需要基本投票力,然後可能也可以讓眾人在此留言評論供投票者參考。原則上公平起見,即使是真人帳號,開多個分身帳號,還是一人最多只能有一個帳號能有基礎投票力。最重要的是投票的部分,大家可以根據某帳號過去活動歷史,投票選擇該ID是本尊真人帳號,可以獲得基礎投票力,還是機器人、分身帳號,不應該獲得基本投票力。當然,如果有人那麼厲害,能寫通過圖靈測試的機器人,騙過大家拿基礎投票力,我不鼓勵,但也沒話說。細節投票部分,我建議可以用跟VP分開計算的resource credits(RC)計算。就像索取(claim)帳號一樣,做一次圖靈測試投票要花一定量的RC或steem. 然後每張票以目前投票者的SP(或有效SP)加權計算,同意給某ID BVP投票者的SP(或有效SP)加總,減去反對的給某ID BVP投票者的SP(或有效SP)加總,如果大於零,或是一個門檻(表示此用戶不僅是真人,而且是有貢獻的帳戶,不濫發廢文),則可以獲得基礎點讚力。這在每次投票後都做一次結算基礎點讚力的資格。為了保障花錢買steem的投資人權利,可以討論要花多少RC、基礎點讚力資格門檻。我提議1T RC或0.3steem, 然後門檻設為0.

EOS說要搞真人社交,steem不用讓他們專美於前,我們能先他們一步做出來,而且還是去中心化的。Facebook也要發全球幣了,密碼貨幣又多了一個強勁的競爭者。希望我的一些提案可以在HF21裡實現,改善steem, 讓steem再次偉大!歡迎大家參與討論。

PS: @steemchiller, 我覺得你做的steemworld很棒,我有些小建議:希望能有T, G, M, K 數量級表示RC, 不然算這麼多位數很麻煩。還有希望在索取帳號前,有顯示索取帳號一次要多少RC, 並且提供可以一次索取多個帳號。 @steempeak, 希望你們可以提供詞彙表,讓華人提供華語版翻譯,做出華語(繁體、簡體)介面。

特別感謝@htliao, @aaronli 幫忙翻譯 以下是英文翻譯連結: https://steempeak.com/@aaronli/pt53kv 請不吝按讚支持😊

若是有見證人支持我這個提議,通知我,我會投給他/她。

After trying STEEM for a while, it’s common that many newbies would easily become frustrated about the payout of their posts. Why? Isn’t it “Blog. Get Paid.”? According to my own experience, I found out that’s a huge obstacle in promoting STEEM. Many newbies facing the complicated STEEM system, and can’t get a sense of accomplishment when they posts article, comments, or vote. Also the website response time and UI language(I am a Huaren(previously known as Chinese, but actually I'm Taiwanese, not Chinese)) cannot be compared with mainstream social networking sites. So they usually feel frustrated and give up. Earning enough SP started from a free account, to have a vote that shows value(minimal 0.01) is fucking difficult. Not long ago, I read an article from @deanliu https://steempeak.com/palnet/@deanliu/distribution , then I got some inspiration. After I had some food for thought, I incubated an idea. I thought that actually UBI(Universal Basic Income) is not what all people want. It’s because most people spend more time to read, comment and upvote, rather than writing posts. So, what most people care more about is their voting power(VP), and it’s also an essential element in a community. A few days ago I have read a post from @annepink https://steempeak.com/@annepink/gqe9fclmd5, and it proves my thought. She was very glad that her upvote finally reaches $0.01.

Here is my suggest to solve it: Basic Voting Power (BVP). BVP is not given to anyone with no condition, so as to avoid mass register of accounts destroying the ecology of Steem. A measure of BVP is the Decentralized Turing Test. Users who pass the test can gain the Basic Voting Power. The specific BVP gained is suggested to be the amount which can produce $0.01 by an upvote with 75-80% VP, which is around 500 SP at this moment. Virtual Steem Power which fluctuates with Steem’s price can also be considered and it cannot be Power Down or delegated to anyone. Of course, the proposal related to the virtual VP, SP is always open for discuss. As we all share the same reward pool, the influence of our SP is affected and shared to new users. But for long term, it’s a win-win game as more people will join Steem resulting in the price rising of Steem!

Decentralized Turing Test(DTT) It is my idea: A page is added to the profile of each ID. Users may declare whether the ID is operated by real person, or a robot, or mini account, or without any reason but states to decline BVP. Everyone can reply and comment as voter’s reference. To be fair, BVP is only given to ONE account of a user, no matter how many account one has. The key procedure is the voting. All users can vote to decide whether the ID is operated by real-person and is qualified for gaining BVP, by the activity history of the account. I don’t recommend you to write a bot for passing the Turing test, but if you succeed to write it, I can’t say anything. For the details of voting, I suggest to spend Resource Credits (RC) or Steem for a DTT Voting. The qualification of BVP is counted by the weight of voter’s SP (or effective SP), the SP(or effective SP) of people who agree minus the SP(or effective SP) of people who disagree to give a certain ID BVP, which is greater than 0, or a threshold (so the user is a real person and contributing to Steem by writing good posts). The quality to gain BVP is computed and judged once after each vote. To protect the rights of Steem investors, the amount of RC to vote and the qualification for BVP is open to discussion. My proposal is 1T RC or 0.3 Steem for one vote, with the threshold sets to 0.

EOS is going to launch a real people’s social platform Voice and Steem needs to catch up for this, and even a decentralized one! Facebook is also going to launch the Global Coin. Competitors are joining the game of Cryptocurrency. I wish the proposal can be implemented in HF21, to improve Steem and make it Great again! I am looking forward to seeing your opinions. Feel free to participate in discussion!

PS: @steemchiller I love your steemworld, and I have some suggestion: hope you can add magnitude like T, G, M, K to show the amount of RC so it can be better then to count the number of digits. And I hope it can show how much RC it needs to claim a account, and enable that to claim multiple accounts at once if one have enough RC or steem. @steempeak, I hope you can provide the glossary, then we Huarens can translate it and submit the corresponding glossary in Mandarin, so you can make a Mandarin(traditional and simplified) interface easier.

Special thanks to @htliao, @aaronli for help me with the translation. The address of there translation: https://steempeak.com/@aaronli/pt53kv Also upvote them if you like it😊

If any one is a witness and promote my suggestion, please contact me, I will vote for him/her.

Comments · 31

  • @jekhy(7)· 2628d

    Thanks for the post.

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  • @travelersmemoire(58)· 2631d

    I like the idea but I think you hit the nail on the head with SteemIt showing only two decimal points. It sucks to vote and see no effect so why not have SteemIt show 3 decimal points instead of 2? It’s an easy fix(Partiko already does it) and it would greatly lower the required BVP for a vote to show.

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  • @ahmadzareen(10)· 2632d

    hitty. Shitty idea. Shitty formatting. Shitty bidbots. Shitty idea to present your opinion, then spend money to disguise said shitty opinion as 'popular opinion' by spending money and conveniently placing shitty opi

  • @kingscrown(82)· 2632d

    damn1

  • @arcange(79)· 2632d

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  • @zhous98(28)· 2632d

    Vote is not reliable. There're always full of cheatings.

  • @iturahasia(30)· 2632d

    Thanks for the post! I like the way you put Chinese and English together. It really helped me to understand your ideas, since my Chinese is pretty poor.

    I'm new to Steemit, and I've also noticed that it's so hard to get the "power" to be written and recognized.... My way to deal with it is just to care less about how much money I can make, but to care more about how much I like writing itself. But, like what you said, making some adjustments to the system could be help ful. :)

    谢谢你的建议!

  • @arafathsunny(45)· 2633d

    Some side your are ritht , and some side you are wrong , and some spatch of your , i raly lokrd it , but i rally liked your post

  • @oflyhigh(86)· 2633d

    透過大量註冊帳號拿基礎投票力而毀壞steem經濟生態

    投票力是和持有的SP成正比的 透过大量注册账户拿基础投票力进而毁坏STEEM的经济生态,这几乎是不可能的。

    个人意见仅供参考。

  • @nonameslefttouse(77)· 2633d

    Congratulations!

    This post has received a prestigious award!!!!

    Shit Post Award.jpg

    Reason: Shitty. Shitty idea. Shitty formatting. Shitty bidbots. Shitty idea to present your opinion, then spend money to disguise said shitty opinion as 'popular opinion' by spending money and conveniently placing shitty opinion at the top of the "Trending Page" instead of the "Promoted" page, where it belongs.

    No downvote for you today, sir. It's nothing personal. It's just shit. Shit in the purest of forms. The shittiest, of the shit.

    Have a shit day!

  • @ericet(73)· 2633d

    踩的人心理真黑暗,给你点赞支持

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  • @aaronli(76)· 2633d

    為何你那麼吸引flager😂

  • @daniel.gz20(10)· 2633d

    excelente entra qui: https://veneapp.com/2019![folder (3).png]

  • @joelsegovia(65)· 2633d

    I think that improving the user interphase and adding more game-like elements to the platform could make steem the unchallenged leader on Crypto social media.

    I like your basic SP proposal, but we should turn the test into a game that produces the same results (i.e. proving that an user is not a bot). People uses Facebook because it let's you to communicate and also let's you have fun while on the site. We add on top of that the possibility of making some money and there should be no reason for steem missing the chance to become the next biggest success on social media market.

    我喜欢您用英语和普通话写你的文章。这样我一边练习中文一边讨论尤其的话题。 祝好。

  • @mrnazrul(53)· 2633d

    Dear friend @jhon371911 Many beautiful presentations. It is customary to walk in practice. Time useful post. Benefit Blockchain Steemian . Keep your "BVP" system active Thanks from Bangladesh

  • @ibc(47)· 2633d

    hallo John Dein Beitrag gefällt mir sehr gut. Aber mit Zahlungen in Höhe von 186 SBD und 324 STEEM ist er viel zu hoch bewertet. Deshalb ziehe ich meinen Anteil von $0.07 von Deinem Erlöß wieder ab. Bitte unterlasse solche hohen Zahlungen, Du schadest der Community und auch Steem.

    你好,约翰 我非常喜欢你的帖子。 但是,由于支付了186 SBD和324 STEEM,他的评价太高了。 因此,我再次从您的收益中提取0.07美元的份额。 请不要这么高的付款,你伤害社区和Steem。

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    Ich wünsche Dir noch einen schönen Tag

    祝你今天愉快

  • @steevc(80)· 2633d

    Flagging me is a great way to make friends :) I am just adjusting rewards to give others a better share, but my few cents will not make much difference. Don't you think your post is a little over-valued? Is it really the best on Steem? Get some perspective if you want to stick around.

  • @plemmons(51)· 2633d

    Thanks for the input about BVP. Unlike some. I appreciate your thoughts and the way you present them.

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  • @thales7(65)· 2633d

    Great!

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  • @huseyinunozkan16(61)· 2633d

    I totally agree with you. Thank you for this valuable post

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  • @steemitboard(66)· 2633d

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  • @sohanisti(36)· 2633d

    WOW..Thanks For This...

  • @annepink(79)· 2633d

    Hi~🌺 谢谢你看到我的文章...😜 我只是发现点赞力多了一点小感受而已...

    翰神想法全读完了...虽然不是很懂意思...😅支持你喔👍

    我是那个花时间看文章留言点赞比写文章多的人...😂

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  • @amorey(39)· 2633d

    what is mean sir

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  • @john371911(68)· 2633d

    Flagged for bid bot abuse @steemflagrewards in case others submit it first and to get some reward😄 Actually I don't think I abuse.

  • @hertz300(69)· 2634d

    哗!好高的收入,文章写得很好! !shop

  • @julian2013(75)· 2634d

    大腿你好!

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  • @deanliu(83)· 2634d

    你都看我文章受啟發了,我得花時間看一下再來給回應....

    畢竟,你每篇都上首頁啊~~~ XD

  • @team-cn(66)· 2634d

    Thanks for your 20.44SP to team-cn ! Your post has earned 6% team-cn upvotes!

  • @swiftcash(64)· 2634d

    This post has received a 10.00% complementary upvote from @swiftcash 🤑