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HIVE all time low, just hit 5 cents. I am buying, powering up, but I think the current model is failing.

Sit down. Either read this in one take or sip slowly, one section at a time over a few days. I want to textually punch you in the gut about the reality of the blockchain I am investing in.

HIVE hit 5 cents.

That sentence should hurt.

Coins go up and down. Markets bleed. Crypto is brutal but still price changes are just noise. But an all-time low has a very specific meaning: every person who ever bought HIVE and held that bet is now at a loss.

Everyone.

Every old buyer, every believer, every person who trusted the vision and did not sell higher is underwater. That is what an all-time low means. It is not an opinion. It is the market laughing at every bagholder who believed.

And I am one of them as I keep buying and powering up slowly.

I am not writing this while dumping. I am writing this while doing the financially stupid thing that believers do: buying more of the thing that keeps disappointing them.

So nobody can honestly say this is FUD from a hater.

This is worse. This is a frustrated lover of Hive saying the current model does not work. I love Hive, I have loved it as an author, as a witness, as a dev on some frontends, as an attendee to events... I love Hive and I hope my not only my words but my history on this blockchain proves it.

CoinGecko shows HIVE around 5 cents, down from an all-time high around $3.41. Depending on the tracker and the minute you check, we are around a 27 to 30 million dollar market cap chain now.

That is a tiny hobby-level market cap.

So we need to start thinking like a tiny chain trying to survive, not like a giant protocol cosplaying as a nation.

And the core question is do we want to stay niche or grow? This will be the core inflection decision point of the whole post.

The DHF is not free money

The Hive developer docs say the DHF receives 10% of the annual new supply.

That means every DHF proposal is effectively asking the community:

“Can I create inflation and sell it? Can I dillute your HIVE Power?”

Or more brutally:

“Can I dump this dream into whatever exit liquidity still exists? Can I dump it whuile you buy it from me?”

That is what it comes down to unless the money is coming from real outside income, real customers, real investors, real business revenue, or real VC money that does not dilute HIVE buyers and does not abuse the exit liqudity that surprisingly still exists but dwindles.

The DHF is not revenue. It is not profit. It is not customers paying us. It is Hive printing claims on itself and hoping there is still someone on the market willing to buy them.

The Ecency proposal itself says there is around 23.2M HBD available in the DHF and around 232k HBD possible daily funding. That sounds rich until you ask the ugly question:

Could that HBD actually be sold for 23 million real dollars?

Of course not. The “23M HBD” is a label. Its real value is whatever the market can absorb when funded teams sell HBD to pay rent, salaries, servers and fiat expenses.

At 5 cent HIVE, pretending the DHF is a giant war chest is dangerous. It is a big number inside a small, bleeding economy.

We are one protocol improvement away from bankruptcy

I respect the people keeping Hive alive. A blockchain that stops producing blocks is dead. Witnesses matter. Core development matters. APIs matter. HAF, Hivemind, Denser, node work, security and maintenance matter.

But we already proved Hive can handle far more activity than today.

During the Splinterlands peak, Hive handled millions of daily operations. We had real usage. We had hype. We had a much bigger market cap. Today we are around 50 times smaller than the 2021 peak.

So when the focus stays mostly on protocol improvements, I get angry. Do we still need to keep scaling? Do we want better performance for fewer users?

We are not one more hardfork away from demand.

We are not one more internal API rewrite away from users.

We are not one more elegant technical upgrade away from businesses caring.

We are one protocol improvement away from bankruptcy if the protocol work does not bring users, businesses, income, liquidity or real demand for HIVE and HBD.

The Hive roadmap still talks about mobile nodes, HAF enhancements, API modernization, Denser, lightweight accounts, smart contract prototypes and more. Some of that may be useful. Some of that may be necessary. I personally really want to run a node on my mobile phone.

But does this help Hive stop bleeding?

If the answer is vague then the work may be nice, however nice is too expensive right now.

Most DHF work should be hobby money now

This is the part I personally hate. This is the part teams may refuse to acknowledge because they don't want to or they effectively can not scale down to.

Hive is now at a hobby level of financing. That does not mean Hive is worthless. It means our economic reality is small.

With a few exceptions, if a project cannot be kept alive by a hobbyist in a garage, it probably does not deserve thousands of dollars from the DHF. For many things, a few hundred dollars should already be treated as meaningful support. We don't have a million users.

Recurring six-figure funding on a sub-30M market cap chain is insane.

Unless the project is essential infrastructure or clearly creates more value than it extracts.

And even essential infrastructure should be much smaller than it is today simply because we either scale down preemptively or we scale down because we've ran out of money. Either way we will scale down, that is the nature of current market conditions.

Every serious proposal should answer a few painful questions:

  • If this gets funded, who is likely to sell the HBD?
  • How much market pressure does that create?
  • What outside income will replace DHF funding?
  • What gets cut if HIVE goes another 50% down?
  • Does Hive die without this, or do some people just lose a paid position?
  • Is this a business or a community hobby?

That last question matters.

If it is a small community hobby, fine. Keep it cheap. Run it lean. Ask for hobby money.

If it is a serious business asking for 100k+ USD per year, then act like a business. Have revenue. Have customers. Have paid features. Have ads. Have a path to independence.

Do not ask holders to fund a business while refusing to make business decisions. You are asking us to fund your egoistic and ideological delusions. You are not above the morals you think you have. Make money.

Frontends need to drop the ego and the ideology

A frontend with no business model is not a business.

It is constant dump pressure.

It is dilution of our value through inflation.

I like our frontends. I use them. I voted for some of them. I supported proposals I still believe are too big, because I use the products and I see their value.

Keychain’s 2026 proposal asks for 540 HBD per day. They talk about reducing DHF dependency, swaps, EVM, partnerships, revenue and making this their last DHF proposal. Good. I support that direction and approved it, with my vote they are closer to reaching their requested funding. But 540 HBD per day is still a lot of money for a chain at this level. If that funding gets sold into the market, it hurts. I am afraid it hurts us more than the value it creates

Ecency’s proposal asks for 396 HBD per day. They list dev costs, servers, onboarding and infrastructure. I use Ecency. I support Ecency. I voted for it and it too is closer to funding because of my vote and my support. I also think that ask is huge and unreasonable for the sad economic reality we are in. I am also afraid it may hurt us more thant he value it creates.

This is the contradiction. I approve things because I use them and I want to believe they have value, while knowing that the funding itself may be shooting myself in the foot.

That is the cult follower part of me. That is the cult side of all of Hive, we behave sometimes almost like a religion.

The rational part says: if a frontend believes it is worth six figures (6 figures!!!) a year, it needs revenue. Ads. Premium accounts. Paid tools. Promoted posts. AI credits. Business accounts. Analytics. Subscriptions. Anything.

If the ideology is “no ads, no paid features, no business model,” then pay the team and infrastructure out of your own pocket. That ideology is expensive. Do not charge all holders for it.

Onboarding is still embarrassing

At Hive Open Days in Alicante, we spent almost 10 minutes helping one person create an account.

She already knew crypto. She was surrounded by experienced Hive users. Even then, the process was confusing. Frontends, Keychain, account creation, keys, flows, options, explanations. It was a mess. She almost gave up.

That is my empirical proof that all our “onboarding improvements” still failed at the most basic test.

Can a normal interested person create an account quickly, on their mobile phone, while standing next to people who know Hive?

In that case, barely. That person was very interested in Hive, 9 out of 10 people would have given up then and there.

And that was a friendly environment.

Now imagine a random user alone at home.

I will commit a blockchain sin, I will say a crypto heresy:

Want to make onboarding easy? Allow the user to create an account just with an e-mail and a password. Hold and manage their keys for them. Yes, it is unsafe, yes no one wants to do it because of the risks, but that is the functional difference between life and death of future onbaording attemps.

Also, frontends, stop worshiping raw activity numbers. A lot of on-chain activity is automation. Curation trails, copy voting, bots, scripts, farming, spam, “positive” automation and malicious automation. Do you think you are better than professional abusers? Think you can tell real organic from bot data? I am sure most of the "current traffic" after "discounting bots and spam" is still bots and spam, just fancier and uncaught.

Hivewatchers recently found abuse around free account creation. It is easy to onboard bots. It is still hard to onboard real humans.

So when proposals talk about users, accounts, views and activity, the numbers need to separate real people from automation as much as possible.

Otherwise we are funding dashboards that make us feel alive while the market keeps saying we are dying.

We don't want the dead internet theory to be synonymous with Hive. Make onboarding easier for humans and harder for bots. Do we need a phone 2FA to prevent bots? Probably. Would that hurt user anonimity? 100% would. How many users care about that? I do not know. Again we are at the crossroads between ideology and common sense.

HBD is not magic either

Hive’s own HBD page says HBD savings is currently 15% APR, voted by witnesses. It also says the haircut rule activates when the HBD debt ratio is greater than or equal to 30%, stops printing HBD and breaks the $1 peg.

The haircut rule may be good design. It may be much safer than Terra. I am not saying HBD is UST.

But people need to stop acting like the economy cannot break.

A controlled depeg is still a depeg. A safety mechanism still means someone gets hurt. If HIVE keeps falling, the system gets more fragile.

At the moment, public trackers have shown HBD trading far below $1 depending on liquidity and venue. Maybe arbitrage fixes it. Maybe it is temporary. Maybe it is thin markets.

But from outside, the story looks awful: HIVE at all-time lows, HBD under pressure, DHF still funding teams, and everyone explaining why this is fine.

It does not look fine.

The decision

If Hive wants to be a niche community, that is okay.

Really.

We can be a small club of friends. We can post, vote, meet, run witnesses, keep the chain alive, and pay for most things ourselves. There is dignity in that.

But then stop pretending we are building for a billion-dollar market cap and a million users.

A niche community cannot afford endless six-figure DHF funding. Witness rewards will shrink. Only witnesses with real income outside Hive will keep running things. Frontends will need to become cheap community projects. Most things will need to be run by hobbyists because they love Hive.

That is one path.

The other path is to admit we want growth and act accordingly.

That means businesses. Ads. Paid features. Better onboarding. Real products. External income. Revenue. Hard cuts. Smaller proposals. Clear metrics. Less ideology. Less marble tower. Less pretending that we are above economics.

Some important people on Hive talk from the top of a withering marble tower like our economy is immune to collapse. Like we are better than every failed crypto experiment because our intentions are cleaner.

We are not immune.

The chart says so.

The price says so.

The all-time low says so.

Every person who bought and held HIVE is now the punchline of a sad joke unless we change the ending.

I am still buying. I am still powering up. I am still here.

But I do not want to keep buying into a dream that refuses to wake up.

Hive at 5 cents should be treated as an emergency meeting.

Witnesses, whales, DHF-funded teams and frontends should put one question on the table:

Do we want to be a small hobby community, or do we want to be a serious economy?

Both answers are valid.

The current answer is the only one that makes no sense: hobby-level market cap, six-figure expectations, no business model, inflation-funded comfort, and another protocol improvement on the way down.

That cannot continue.

Comments · 42

  • @tonybad(63)· 148d

    Very well said. No nonsense post. The miat important issue needed to grow the Hive ecosystem, is onboarding.

    I feel there ought to ve a two-tier process -

    First, allow a fricrionless account to respond / xomment on posts found outside the ecosystem.

    And then for deeper interaction such as posting or voting, the newcomer is invited to upgrade, and receive a few dollars of hive and RC to prime the account.

    Everything going forward, requires new users, new energy, new money.

    @tonybad

    !ALIVE

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  • @lesmann(74)· 155d

    This is the post that puts out the question I have been asking myself the last few weeks - "How"? I am the same - I vote for proposals because I use the things that the proposals support. On the other side, I look at the daily funding and ask - "How" with the HIVE so low?

  • @thefed(70)· 156d

    At this low point only critical infrastructure should be funded by DHF. Bare bones. Everything marketing wise past 5 years has failed miserably anyway. Yet I see proposals funded to pay people for past work now? This place has gone to crap. Whales circle jerking and probably making something on backend. HBD % APR should he 3% by now but it’s 12%? Insanity how badly this chain has been road into the ground. One account warned me not to buy at .10 and said wait for .05 next 6 months (in January) and I thought .10 was floor so didn’t listen. He called it exactly spot on and now he’s calling for .03 in 2026. Im selling anywhere above .045 and will buy back if anything changes god better at .0326 or so.

    Shoutout to @geneeverett market vlogs getting this right since summer 2024 where he said ignore artificial pump in 2025 and use it to sell above .50 of it happens because we’ll dump 90% in 2026.

    How did you know man? Gene that’s the most on call take I ever heard. I wish you hadn’t stopped doing market vlogs weekly. I’d listen of you bring back.

  • @thefed(70)· 156d

    Buying here is not smart. .03 handle is certain next few months if not much sooner.

  • @brianphobos(72)· 158d

    Everything you have brought up is valid. It's been 10 years with various concerns never being addressed.

    Despite all that what has been built is nothing short of amazing and if this full ecosystem would have hit like this in 2016 it would have been pretty unreal.

    It's been an interesting case study for sure.

    There has never been a major marketing push and as I have said many times the whole thing was going to have to sprint and have urgency and do things outside the box.

    Most attempts were largely ignored and as the ecosystem got further away from the original funding and huge market capitalization without outside revenue being brought in.

    Everything that has been built is amazing though. I'm impressed but the market has spoken.

  • @offgridlife(72)· 158d

    Uh oh … Hive / HBD is getting close to Haircut.

    .0413

    Will HbD be depegged ?

    Goes it drop to zero ?

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  • @palomap3(76)· 159d

    In Spain we have a saying: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

    I am also one of the users who have bought more Hive than they have obtained as rewards. But I don't care about the monetary value reflected in my account because what matters to me about Hive are the people who make it up. And there, as in real life outside our bubble, there is everything. Good and bad.

    Before I also thought that "the big stakeholders" would take care of Hive because they had to lose much more than small investors like me, but it is obvious that this is not the case.

    I will continue in Hive as long as there are people to continue to connect with and to continue meeting, as I was lucky enough to do with you in Alicante.

    Thank you for this post.

  • @justola1(67)· 159d

    Onboarding really should be looked into. I see a lot of people that are interested in hive when I give hype about its ecosystem but from the onboarding system, it already turns them off and they don't finish up the process.

    I also noticed that devs focus more on infrastructure and often forget that you should build stuff that makes life easier for users. Its the users that make and keep the ecosystem running.

  • @urun(69)· 159d

    The social part of hive was since day 1 shit and the other parts fails to deliver ( finance, smart contract).

    The problem with social is, nobody wants a token you lock up for 3 months and another random dude can overwrite your vote. Lets say you want support people using your business with a upvote, doesnt work here. Retarded stake holders would bully you off.

    Same with freedom of speech, you can post what you want and nobody can delete, but you get censored on all front ends if you do the wrong joke to the wrong person and he decide to nuke your reputation.

    Its a shitcoin. And on top 25% inflation.

  • @svitlana-h(70)· 159d

    Hi, @igormuba.

    You raised an extremely important question regarding the expediency of spending from DHF and the further development of the hive.

    Most of main witnesses and whales will certainly not agree with your vision.

    But looking at the comments under your post, it has long since become clear to most that HIVE is moving in the wrong direction.

    Let's be honest.

    HIVE has long become a place where most witnesses and whales think that DHF is their personal funds and they can use them as they see fit.

    And there are no more than two dozen of these people...

    The community needs to demand a change in the approach to voting on the distribution of funds from DHF and to stop their use for a while.

    And they pointed out that we must honestly admit that HIVE must first of all turn into a business, like all the projects of its ecosystem.

    It is unacceptable to use community funds for multi-year support of projects that have no idea about monetization and return of these funds.

    In the real world, no one will lend to a business that does not have a business plan.

    HIVE itself can become a business where investors will earn profits by staking HIVE/HBD.

    At the same time, DHF can finance beehive ecosystem projects as a credit organization.

    P.S. Here is an example of a project that was created without any funds from DHF and allows you to join HIVE ecosystem using a Google account.

    https://beta.firstcontext.app/login?redirect=%2Flogin

    https://ecency.com/@starkerz/3speak-1780800578385

  • @jocieprosza(68)· 159d

    The onboarding is not that only thing that sucks - Hive has become hostile. Do you want an example? We're bleeding tons of money while @marky downvotes the only real community on Hive @fundacja ran by @hallmann resulting in whole community looking for an alternative 🤯 Do you understand? Hundreds of Hive users are actively looking for different chain to keep their ledger.

    I made a post months ago and it was laughed by nomenclature. I've unstaked my HBD, sold it and think about dropping Hive for good as the ruling class doesn't want users to join in.

    https://hive.blog/tribes/@jocieprosza/is-there-anything-we-could-do

  • @ecency(79)· 159d

    Thanks for writing this, Igor. Hard read, but fair discussion to have, still catching up with all conversation...

    We agree with the core point: DHF is not "free money." Every proposal has to justify why the value created is greater than the dilution and market pressure it may add, especially when HIVE is at this level.

    Small correction on Ecency: the post references the older proposal at 396 HBD/day which was cut to 300 HBD/day after we let go all devs. And the current proposal is 379 at 250 HBD/day now. But your larger point still stands: even 250 HBD/day must be justified clearly, with transparent costs: https://trust.ecency.com.

    From our side, the difficult part is that Ecency is not only a frontend. We maintain web, mobile, onboarding, support, open-source SDK/rendering/wallet tooling, image hosting, Hive RPC access, search/indexing, Hivesearcher/Hivesigner/Hivekeeper-related services, and other infrastructure that users and sometimes other apps depend on.

    Could we reduce cost by relying more on third-party image hosts, public nodes, and external services? Yes. It would be cheaper for Ecency in the short term. Like many projects on Hive do.

    But it would also make Hive more fragile. If too many apps depend on the same few outside services, we create hidden single points of failure. Old images disappear with single failure. Nodes get overloaded. Search and access become dependent on whoever happens to keep infrastructure online.

    That is why we see this as public-goods infrastructure, not only an Ecency business expense.

    Open source also changes the economics. We keep most of the work public so the community can inspect it, fork it, contribute, or run its own instance. That is good for Hive. But open source does not make servers, bandwidth, monitoring, abuse prevention, support, and maintenance free.

    You are also right that revenue matters. We are not against business models. We are actively exploring hive-x402, AI Credits, Points, self-hosted Vision/community instances, and other service-level paths. But we should be honest: none of those currently covers the real cost of operating everything at production scale.

    So the question is exactly the one you raised: what does the community want Hive to be?

    If Hive wants reliable public infrastructure, easier onboarding, independent frontends, long-term image availability, open-source tooling, and fewer ecosystem-level single points of failure, then some of that has to be treated as shared infrastructure.

    If the community does not see enough value in that, that is also an answer. Then projects like ours need to reduce infrastructure, externalize more services, or let the community run more of it directly from the open-source code.

    It is just the real tradeoff.

    We do this because we still believe Hive can be more than a niche hobby chain. But we agree that every funded team, including us, has to be clearer about cost, revenue paths, measurable value, and what happens if community support is no longer there.


    Update: after reading more of this discussion, we published a fuller response here:

    https://ecency.com/@ecency/open-source-does-not-mean

    We are reducing the intended ask to 250 HBD/day and adjusting our infrastructure commitments accordingly.

    The short version: we hear the concern about DHF pressure in current market conditions. Ecency will keep prioritizing critical open-source infrastructure, web/mobile maintenance, onboarding, image availability, and Hive access, but a smaller ask also means accepting some scaling down, slower development, and harder choices.

    We still believe this infrastructure has value for Hive, but the community is right to ask what should be sustained, what should be reduced, and what should move toward revenue or community-run models.

  • @dudeontheweb(70)· 159d

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  • @steven-patrick(74)· 159d

    I create some actual content... just photos, notes about gardening. I follow a few others that also are actually still creating that kind of content. Blogging basically. I use any earnings to fund Splinterlands. Not a tech guy or crypto investor. My opinion is this is a hobby, niche community. It might have had a moment, maybe an opportunity even but I think that has passed. Its still a fun niche. Some small groups doing the blogging, social media stuff plus some techies that like the blockchain/crypto angle.

  • @jaki01(77)· 160d

    Apart from the DHF and the technical onboarding problem there is actually even more: My criticisms concerning the social mechanisms on HIVE include, among others:

    • The majority of all upvotes are automated (via autovotes or blindly following voting trails), meaning most users don't even bother to manually search for good posts, actually read them, evaluate them, or curate them. Additionally, curation rewards decrease within the seven-day voting window, which further favors automated voting over slower, manual curation. Posts older than two days are generally ignored. The entire voting system is designed more for speed than for promoting quality content.

    • New users — unless they happen to get the attention of a HIVE whale (receiving fat upvotes on a daily base then) or are discovered and deemed "vote-worthy" by a trail leader — have an extremely hard time gaining traction on HIVE. Established users mostly vote for each other, paying little attention to the quality of the content they support (circular voting: "You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours!"). Automated voting, in particular, prevents newcomers' posts from being noticed.

    • HIVE's "reputation" system is a bad joke because it has nothing to do with the quality of a user's content — it's solely based on the rewards they have earned so far (ironically, accounts with the highest reputation — which I would rather call a "greed score" — are often the worst offenders when it comes to circular voting).

    • Contrary to the glorified myth, HIVE is not truly decentralized. The users with by far the highest (often distributed across multiple accounts) "HIVE Power" gained it primarily through early mining and the use of bidbots. When it comes to selecting "top witnesses" or supporting HIVE proposals, there's no way around them. If you look at the witness rankings from 2016 onward, you'll see many of the same names still entrenched in the top spots today, often supporting each other — hardly a sign of a vibrant democracy or true decentralization. :) This is one reason I don't seriously invest in HIVE: I have no desire to enrich these whales further by contributing to the coin's appreciation.

    • Downvotes are undoubtedly important and necessary to combat spam and plagiarism, but they are also frequently used (often automatically, without even reading the target's posts) to silence unpopular discussion participants. Here is one example among many. So far, the HIVE community has not made any serious effort to address downvotes issued due to disagreements or personal grudges (one possible solution — among others — could be an account that neutralizes such downvotes using HIVE Power delegated by many users).

    • Unlike Bitcoin, HIVE has no max supply, which (along with the aforementioned issues) significantly dampens my expectations for future price appreciation.

    Despite these criticisms, HIVE does have some positives:

    • HIVE enables the permanent, censorship-resistant storage of valuable content (e.g., personal accounts, ideas, and thoughts) on a blockchain.

    • HIVE offers the potential to earn money through writing.

    • Technologically, HIVE is quite mature (fast, feeless transactions, the ability to send HIVE to a username instead of a cryptic string of numbers).

    • There are indeed interesting, thought-provoking writers in this microcosm.

    Personally, I write simply for myself (see HIVE's first positive point), whenever I feel like it and believe I have something worth sharing. If other users enjoy my posts or engage with me via comments, that's great — if not, no problem either. With this mindset, I can tolerate the platform reasonably well. :)

    I actually wonder if it would be a good thing if the HIVE price went down to 1 cent because then only these users might stay who's main aim is to create good, memorable content instead of trying to enrich themselves. That might be the chance of a completely new beginning.

  • @toofasteddie(77)· 160d

    Excellent article, whose ideas I wholeheartedly agree with.

    IMO, HIVE should have committed to real growth long ago, focusing on business ventures, external revenue streams, advertising, and clear metrics.

    It's very clear that everything they've done hasn't worked, and empty promises aren't enough. We must transform HIVE into a growth-oriented blockchain.

  • @vikisecrets(80)· 160d

    100% agree. Fix inflation, fix hive. That simple. Otherwise still great fintech project. One of the most interesting use case in my opinion.

  • @howweroll(69)· 160d

    This is exactly the conversation we need. I was trying to suggest something similar within the SkateHive community, with ads for skate companies and brands. If you compare the business model of social media with Hive, they’re both free, but social media monetizes your attention through advertising and data collection, and we do none of that. That’s a lot of value we’re just leaving in the table cause some ppl don’t like ads.
    Meanwhile Brave shows us a model where we can give people control over what they see, or if their data can be used. We could essentially be curating advertisements, as well as selling data with consent, and have the revenue be shared through a Hive buy back program.

    Other ideas I’ve had include crazy things like focusing on the emerging demand for open source scientific research journals, archives of journalistic materials, training open source ai models, and decentralized versions of any other thing out there that have been too centralized.

  • @ph1102(79)· 160d

    Unfortunately, I agree with everything you said... Personally, for the last few years, I remember asking multiple times the same question over and over again, all projects that would ask for DHF funding in their "presentation" events... In Discord, on chain, or anywhere else... the question was: "When will your project be self-sustainable?"...

    I did get an answer many times, which was always the same "We are working on it...", but on the other side, I never saw anyone laying out the HOW TO be self-sustainable in any of their proposals...

    Sorry, but the answer "SOON" isn't convincing anymore... We heard it too many times...

    If the ideology is “no ads, no paid features, no business model,” then pay the team and infrastructure out of your own pocket. That ideology is expensive. Do not charge all holders for it.

    That's just hypocrisy... I want to be a vegan, but you will eat vegetables for me... 😃

    To finish on a positive note... HIVE isn't broken... Chain works... Token economy is broken, incentives are broken... As you said...

    That means businesses. Ads. Paid features. Better onboarding. Real products. External income. Revenue. Hard cuts. Smaller proposals. Clear metrics. Less ideology. Less marble tower. Less pretending that we are above economics.

    Thanks for the post! Appreciate you sharing your opinion! 🙏

  • @sagarkothari88(78)· 160d

    As far as I know most proposals have been defunded. However, funding same old front-ends still baffles me. Just to prove that point, I built the whole front-end again - for free of cost - except claude code. Of course, I also love hive & I keep buying hive whenever I get chance, I keep building but yes it's just sad to see this happening to Hive.

    New People on hive are publicly-shamed for circle voting. All they are trying to do is support each other because they never get supported for posting the content apart from introduction post. That's not the real damage - but whales & witnesses keep pointing this as bad.

    But what most witnesses do is - circle witness vote each other. They circle-DHF vote each other. And things like builingwhales self-voting, even more taking & keeping it to themselves. is this bad or not?

  • @lordbutterfly(80)· 160d

    Funny, when I say this I'm the bad guy.

    But 540 HBD per day is still a lot of money for a chain at this level. If that funding gets sold into the market, it hurts. I am afraid it hurts us more than the value it creates

    You know how a community that actually strategizes about what they fund would approach this? If you are funding 3 things for 3000 thousand dollars and you want them to generate revenue, asset demand, whatever.... You cut 2 that dont and keep the one that does. Now youre not spending 3000 dollars, youre spending 1000. So in this context spending 540 HBD is not a lot at all, if theres a new strategy set and you cut those that dont follow that strategy. You are actually spending only a part of the money you spent before and getting what you want out of it.

    Problem is that many people think all proposals are made the same, judged on popularity. If they were the same, Keychain would not be changing its approach. They are not the same.

    3 things:

    1. Ideas with potential external appeal.
    2. Strategy shift.
    3. Work and dedication.

    If it means you dont sleep, then you dont sleep. If you cant look at the screen anymore and your AI isnt working through the night then you are missing out on work that could be done. If thats what it takes then thats what it takes. And it will take that from many of us, for us to change our trajectory.

  • @ericvancewalton(81)· 160d

    I'll be here ten years in July and we've been saying for the better part of a decade that onboarding should be easier. I really do believe that one simple thing were easier then more people would try Hive—we'd have more liquidity, the market cap would grow, it would solve a lot of issues. Onboarding should be as simple as snapping a QR code, as few steps as possible. I've never seen engagement and sentiment this low as long as I've been here and I'm concerned. First principals thinking should be applied to revamp as much as we can in regards to the UI. This isn't a problem that can't be fixed.

  • @borsengelaber(77)· 160d

    Love everything you said. It’s clear, honest and puts the decision to make on the table:

    Do we want to stay niche or grow?

  • @uwelang(79)· 160d

    I agree with much of your diagnosis, but I think the discussion is still missing the elephant in the room.

    Again and again we talk about DHF funding, inflation, onboarding, frontends and governance.

    Those are important topics.

    But after years of discussing them, Hive is still largely talking to itself.

    The real question is not whether Ecency should get X HBD or Keychain should get Y HBD.

    The real question is: who is driving adoption?

    Who is building partnerships?

    Who is bringing businesses onto Hive?

    Who is marketing Hive outside the existing community?

    Who is accountable for growth?

    As someone who works in enterprise sales, I see many communities making the same mistake: they confuse decentralization with the absence of leadership.

    A decentralized ecosystem can still have people driving strategy, marketing, partnerships and execution.

    Personally, I would even support a community vote to fund a small professional business development and marketing organization if clear KPIs and accountability existed.

    Because if we truly believe Hive is faster, safer, more resilient and more useful than many competing chains, then the biggest failure is not technology.

    The biggest failure is that hardly anyone outside our community knows or cares.

    At some point we need to decide whether Hive wants to be a passionate hobby community or a serious ecosystem competing for users, businesses, developers and capital.

    The market has already given us its opinion.

    Now we need to decide what to do with that feedback.

  • @uwelang(79)· 160d

    Spot on - we are a tiny niche and our problems should be clear - but as community we just can not move forward - for that we need a more corporate structure.

  • @friendlymoose(77)· 160d

    Good points! The DHF has wasted quite a lot of funds over the past years I think. And although the projects have lowered their demands, it still is a lot of money. Especially when you see the the small active user base Hive has.

    I don't know if making onboarding is the solution either. I've been following a lot of newcomers lately. The vast majority are from countries where there is a large financial incentive to join Hive. Yes, they often are very active and it is is good to have more activity on Hive, but I also see a lot of rewards being withdrawn. Which is understandable when you live in poor conditions, but having more Hive being sold on the exchanges is also negatively influencing the price I think.

    I think we should have more people powering up their Hive instead of extracting it. Together with lowering the rewards for the DHF projects, it might help the price of hive to recover a bit.... And we need to find ways to onboard more people that don't extract their rewards.

    Recently I've created a Hive Account Health Dashboard I'm using to see if people are extracting a lot. I'm using it when I'm curating to make sure the accounts that extract a lot don't get rewards from me. It's not much, but it's something I can do.

  • @pizzabot(60)· 160d

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  • @urielkinnear(62)· 160d

    This was a hell of a read.. some real home truths being told, all the dirty laundry on display, big time!!

    I'm a relative newbie in the HIVE ecosystem, only really landed at the tail end of 2025 and have been using my Account as a new user experiment of sorts, focused on Blogging, Actifit, Splinterlands.. purposefully kept queries to a minimum, really wanted to see how easy the ecosystem was to navigate on my own two feet.

    Its been a wild ride, coming from a Software Developer background I can really see and mostly understand what the ecosystem is trying to achieve, there are lots of things I like about HIVE but fully agree with some of your assessment.

    • New user onboarding is painful, it should be a 30 second operation max, 'vault' the keys overseen by trusted Admins.
    • New user intro information is woeful, especially for anyone stumbling in on their own, a friend of mine took me under his wing otherwise even knowing what info is available let alone where to find it is questionable.
    • Ecosystem is crying out for a New User Guide App (AI Agent Helper) one place to host everything a newbie needs, maybe an advanced section to highlight various mechanisms within HIVE
    • A viable search engine? currently searching for info through old Blog posts etc is horrendous
    • Advertising and merchandise, bite the bullet and provide a centralized place to acquire merch at a feesible price, silly things like wristbands, the cheap items.. suggesting people are going to use the branding to make their own if they are nowhere near a meetup is poor..
    • In terms of dApp dev, I've seen AI do incredible things in my Industry over the last 12 months, the DHF figures seem a touch inflated, much more can be done with less these days if you have the skill and access to tbe tools

    All that being said I wish to end with positivity, I've run into many lovely people in this ecosystem, friendly, helpful, Actifit has actually had a positive impact on my health, and Splinterlands is great fun to play. I'm hoping to create a new Community on here soon and then push to start onboarding friends and wider circle now that I understand the onboarding mechanism requirements :)

  • @solymi(73)· 160d

    I will remove my votes on all DHF projects. I am not investing more money into HIVE though. It is time to have some major changes on this chain.

  • @delirius(5)· 160d

    Que calidad de contenido @igormuba! Me gustó mucho lo que compartiste. Vote y comento para dar visibilidad. Seguí así!

  • @grindle(79)· 160d

    Great post on your views on what is going wrong. totally agree with your sentiments. I have learnt a lot over the last year and no longer support or vote for any proposal,(apart from worldmappin, which are very transparent) the killer for me was some individual wanting support to buy a fucking computer.

    I do see a lot of posts about this little app that little app, mostly about checking stats, personal and of others, but seriously, what benefit is that for the Hive? What value does it bring? What does it cost!

  • @pardinus(75)· 160d

    It cannot continue... but unfortunately what it feels like is that the ones with power to stop it don't really seem that interested in doing so. We keep seeing huge DHF payouts, we even opened the doors to rectroactive payments... no one in their right mind would invest in Hive nowadays. Like you, I spend a lot of time here, still enjoy playing games daily, but it's painful to see what we are becoming. And yes, we can be just a little community, but for how long? Right now, I would say: burn the DHF in its entirety, or almost all of it.

    Thanks for another wake up call, they're in dire need. Cheers!

  • @denmarkguy(80)· 160d

    You said a lot here, @igormuba, I'm going to respond as I think up points...

    Let's start with market fundamentals for virtually anything: When demand is higher than supply, prices rise. When supply is greater than demand, prices fall. What is the compelling reason to buy and hold Hive? 15-second "elevator speech" version.

    "You should buy and hold Hive BECAUSE ___________"

    You've got 15 seconds. Go!

    Let's just say we're pitching this to your average blogger/vlogger, or "refugee" who's sick and tired of the vacuousness of FB/Insta/TikTok and wants a venue with more "meat on its bones."

    It doesn't matter how much people keep polishing the code, building scaling and various technical aspects of Hive. The analogy I have been using for years is that it doesn't matter that you've build the world's greatest sports car... if you're living in a remote village with no paved roads and nobody knows about you.

    I'm approaching my 10th year here, but also approaching my 10th year of pointing out that we simply cannot afford to just be "Decentralized Crypto Blockchainiacs" as if that's the magic unicorn dust that makes a success. Nobody cares. "Decentralization" remains meaningless to 90-95% of the population. "Censorship resistant" might carry slightly more depth.

    Thinking about, that situation from Alicante you describe... I have repeatedly suggested "Light" accounts as a way to reduce the barriers to entry here. Your basic "sign up with Google/Facebook" that gives you access to everything except financial features. You start with a 25HP "loan" (to minimize RC issues) which can be a delegation from a DHF sponsored account that goes away when the acount actually reaches 25HP. You can even watch your rewards build in your account... but you can't touch it until you get your actual keys, which requires you to commit to a full account. Light accounts come with the additional proviso that if a "light" account goes dormant for more than 6 or 12 or 24 months (whatever) whatever Hive is there is automatically burned. Not only would it facilitate entry; these signups could serve as somewhat of an inflation reducer.

    As for the DHF... great idea, but I believe it should be contingent on several things, including "no business plan showing revenue, no funding" and an additional requirement that that some part of the funding (10%? 20%?) MUST be used for external marketing of the final product. In other words... time to emphasize projects that offer utility to people outside the walls of Hive.

    Along with that, don't forget that you're basically asking for a "grant." Do you have ANY idea of how much detail and documentation goes into a conventional grant proposal? And how much reporting is required to account for where and how the funding is being used? Grants aren't just a magic cash dispenser!

    Lastly, we also need to let go of (at least in part) this myopic thinking that somehow "Hive's built in user base" is all that's needed for a DHF funded project to become successful. Sorry... WRONG. Go pitch your show outside Hive and see if anyone cares. If they don't, maybe you shouldn't be asking for money.

    And yes, I am well aware that maintaining basic infrastructure matters. Could be the DHF needs to be segmented into discrete allocations for different types of projects.

    Final thought about the "Ponzi" question. Hive isn't really a Ponzi, in much the same way as some of the Network Marketing programs I was familiar with 30-40 years ago weren't Ponzis. The problem tended to be an overemphasis on selling the program rather than selling the products. We need to start pitching the tangible benefits of Hive, not just Hive the concept. People invest in stuff they can USE, not just cool ideas.

  • @antisocialist(75)· 160d

    IF we want to see broader adoption the power has to spread out. Nobody buys in when the price to power ratio is out of whack. What that price is, I don't know, but we have to be getting close to it.

  • @dobro2020(69)· 160d

    is awful see hive drop down a lot :(

  • @littlenewthings(73)· 160d

    I think you hit the nail on "only those with real income OUTSIDE hive" can sustain.

    Because of the current situation and a lot are literally having trouble obtaining income outside HIVE is the pivot that will bankrupt it.

    I am trying to help by encouraging people to spend their HBD with my new ebook launch. However I can, of course i am not a millionaire myself.

    If there are any entrepreneur could to do the same maybe there will be less bleeding outword

    A decade ago, TeamMalaysia tried to do that. But with such a tiny community trying to do while others dunping at all time high but not buying at all time low, that happens

  • @multiingeniero(68)· 160d

    Un crudo análisis, ​ Como bien dices, cuando una blockchain toca un mínimo histórico, ya no estamos ante simple ruido de mercado, o volatilidad común; estamos ante una señal de alarma que afecta el bolsillo de absolutamente todos los que han creído y mantenido su apuesta aquí. Seguir operando bajo la mentalidad de cuando HIVE valía 3 dólares es una desconexión peligrosa con nuestra realidad económica actual. Algo desalentador, para los que entramos hace poco con una ilusión.

  • @rutablockchain(73)· 160d

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  • @aussieninja(71)· 160d

    I'm on the blockchain every day... but I just don't see how the future of Hive survives. I can't say what problem that actually matters to a lot of people is being fixed by this blockchain, so unfortunately I don't think it's much more than a hobby.

  • @fernandosoder(67)· 160d

    That's one aspect that I meant when I posted that Hive needs to "de-Ponzify"(term I coined to describe a business model that require constant recruitment of new members and resources being poured in without returns just to keep in relative stability).

    For that reason Hive must be used for real services instead of just circulating internally. The protocol already has several implementations that could allow Hive to actually operate like, for example, a real bank.

    Another example of real world application: In struggling economies(like Venezuela and some African countries) HBD is being used as actual stable currency the same way PIX is used in Brazil.

  • @stayoutoftherz(80)· 161d

    At this level some emergency plan should have kicked in: IMMEDIATE STOP of any DHF funding and reduction of the HBD interest from 12% to 5% and reduction of the HP inflation from 4% to maybe 2%. Just until price recovers to >6c. Were the top witnesses like @blocktrades and co. never foreseeing such a scenario? How unprofessional one can be? Every shit company has mitigation plans for SHTF-scenarios.

    I would (apart from not supporting proposals) also NOT VOTE for any witness who is still POWERING DOWN and draining Hive like there is no tomorrow.

  • @mshbd(70)· 161d

    Great post! Your post has been curated from Ecency.