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A Future of HIVE

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@acidyo brought a Binance announcement to my attention about a new Future pair released today.

HIVE/USDT

https://www.binance.com/en/futures/HIVEUSDT

And so you know upfront, this is not a "how to" guide, it is a "how am I meant to" question. I asked for some basics like this one provided by @azircon, but was wondering what kind of good and bad experiences people have had trading future in the past. Honest experiences, not Googled experiences, or just the upside wins while ignoring the downside losses.

I don't expect anyone to be an expert futures trader, but considering there is 38 million in volume in the twelve hours since it has opened, I reckon it is worth calling some heads together and pooling a bit of knowledge that might help others, but much more importantly, help me.

Half-jokes aside....

Is there a very simple guide on what I am meant to do on Binance? Like, super simple, with crayon pictures, bubbly text, flashing lights and perhaps some glitter - because I struggle with this kind of conceptual thing, and I don't want to be taken to the cleaners in the first ten minutes of my attempt, however small the attempt might be.

I am not confident.

But there are gains to be made, and fun to be had I suppose, so it is worth looking into. Though, I have already heard a couple horror stories of massive losses in hours, but they aren't mine to share here. Are the same level of gains possible though? Are the potential rewards worth the risk?

Based on the volume, the risk reward ratio seems to be attractive enough at the moment for people to dip more than their toes into the game and test the temperature. Perhaps this is why HIVE is seeing some additional "out of character" price action recently. Will it bring some much needed attention to HIVE?

I hope so.

Personally, I want that attention to be on more than the price of the token though, because ultimately, that is what it is going to take for a project to last longterm. Price will never be enough to sustain alts, making them all extended pump and dump scenarios. Don't people want more than that?

Maybe not.

As long as it buys a better fiat life, right.

Has anyone played with the HIVEUSDT Futures yet? Any luck?

Taraz [ Gen1: Hive ]

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Comments · 15

  • @pizzabot(60)· 652d

    PIZZA!

    $PIZZA slices delivered: @danzocal(1/10) tipped @tarazkp

  • @danzocal(60)· 652d

    !PIZZA

  • @spearhead1976(49)· 653d

    Here are some things to consider before you start trading futures:

    Do your research: Make sure you understand how futures contracts work before you start trading them. There are many resources available online and in libraries that can help you learn more about futures trading. Start small: If you are new to futures trading, it is best to start with a small amount of money. This will help you limit your losses if the market moves against you. Use stop-loss orders: A stop-loss order is an order that instructs your broker to sell your futures contract if the price reaches a certain level. This can help you limit your losses if the market moves against you. Overall, futures trading is a risky proposition. It's important to be aware of the risks before you start trading and to take steps to manage your risk.

    Here's some additional information about HIVEUSDT Futures:

    HIVEUSDT Futures is a contract that allows you to speculate on the price of HIVE tokens using USDT (Tether). Binance launched HIVEUSDT Perpetual Contract With up to 75x Leverage on December 23, 2024. The maximum leverage for HIVEUSDT Futures is 75x. This means that you can control a position worth up to 75 times the amount of money you deposit.

  • @rzc24-nftbbg(70)· 653d

    I still have to explore how futures work. For now, spot market is more predictable.

  • @urrirru(65)· 653d

    Futures with 10-20 leverage are very dangerous. In 99 cases out of 100, this is a loss of money at a distance.

  • @akumagai(69)· 654d

    Simple question, how do i access the days for volume traded in binance. Just want to analyze for my own sanity.

    Thanks in advance guys.

  • @passenger777(76)· 654d

    I frankly don't understand why people persistently continue these transactions, seeing that they are making losses in futures trading. When we look at the coins in futures trading, we see that there are coins that can rise suddenly and fall unexpectedly. Hive, the stable course of its price perhaps prevents it from being included in futures. It's no coincidence that when Bitcoin falls, Hive rises. When a blogger writes an article on the Hive platform, it puts the Hive coin in an advantageous position in terms of permanently storing this content and earning rewards as a content creator. Based on this, we can say that Hive can be used to generate time-based income.

  • @videoaddiction(72)· 654d

    I don't think that HIVE is a pump and dump coin, or it shouldn't be. It really is based on an "essential" project.

  • @jaraumoses(69)· 654d

    I don't want to be taken to the cleaners in the first ten minutes of my attempt, however small the attempt might be.

    I remember back when I had just joined the space, in my first Futures attempt, I got cleaned $20 in about a minute!

    I'm also waiting for that simple guide, let me camp in the comments for it

  • @shortsegments(78)· 654d

    I will also be interested in reading what people have to say, as I was an options trader before crypto, and now am just curious about crypto options.

  • @ducecrypto(71)· 654d

    making them all extended pump and dump scenarios. Don't people want more than that?

    Of course. I invest in projects, not profits!

    But I hate futures. Will not touch it. I want the real thing, not paper!

  • @bozz(83)· 654d

    Everyone I talk to says to stay away from futures unless you have a lot of money to burn or you really know what you are doing. I guess the chances you end up with nothing are a lot greater than actually making some gains. I might get lucky once, but I doubt it would last very long!

  • @acidyo(85)· 654d

    Haven't really traded in a very long time but I reckon things still work similar as it used to back then. I'm not the best trader either, when it comes to spot I usually sell when I feel like it pumps too fast and most of the time buy back in too early just cause "hey I got more hive than I had a couple hours ago" rather than waiting to 1.5x it I'm okay with 20% more hive on smaller trades.

    So a simple explanation, because honestly I wouldn't even be able to give you a more technical one cause there's probably many things I don't understand fully with futures, binance does however have a lot of trading data and other tools to delve into before or like I used to do, mid-trade, to convince myself to keep it running over the night.

    Basically you move funds into a designated futures wallet, you can either pick one where u trade coins against usdt or keep them as the coins they are, for instance bitcoin and still trade against usdt (or against other coins like btc-eth pairs). Once the usdt are in that wallet they are separated from your other funds, meaning you can't lose more than what you've transferred over, however you can transfer more over to attempt to save yourself from those dreaded liquidation email alerts either letting you know you're close to getting rekt or you already are.

    Okay so let's say you see hive at $1 for simplicity's sake and you have $1000 in the wallet and think it will go up from this moment forward or eventually without going too low. Without getting crazy, you want to try a 10x margin where you borrow 10x the amount you have to open a trade for hive to go up/long. Naturally for every trade there has to be a counter trade, someone shorting or at some point having shorted hive by opening a position betting on it going lower in the near future. Looking at the funding rate of coins on the futures page, there is a timed cost to leaving positions open/paying interest on the loans you've taken. I'm not entirely sure how much of the loans are provided by the exchange and how much comes from those taking the opposite trade of yours but there's usually a default funding rate traders have to pay every 4-8h (for hive it seems to be 4h according to the announcement linked in the post), the default fee is 0.01% which means that those longing will pay those shorting. Again, not 100% sure if part of that goes to the exchange or if the fee that occurrs when you open the trade is the only one binance gets, but you can basically also earn some fees by having a position open if you are in the minority side of the trade. Now these fees aren't big but you gotta remember that you're paying for what the position is worth, not just from your initial $1000, same goes for when you open the trade.

    If binance's trading fees are still 0.075% as I remember and you open a 10x long with your 1k this means you're already off the gate down $7.5 and another $7.5 when you decide to close it so you're going to want the price to change by at least 0.15% in your favor to even break even on a trade, not counting funding fee. There may however be lower fees based on how you execute the trade, if you "market buy" meaning you buy into an existing sell order or short you're going to pay a premium on the fee than if you had placed a buy order at say $0.999 and waited for price to get there so someone would short into your long/sell into your buy order.

    Okay now in terms of profits/wreckening you have a lot of flexibility on futures. For instance you can change the x loan amount at any time but it'll be applied based on your initial wallet holdings. For instance say you went long hive on $1 at 10x with 1000$, this now means that your trade is active as if you have 10,000$ in the position. If hive goes from $1 to $2, congrats, you made a profit of 10,000$. The downside is that if Hive drops you have a lot less room for error because once your unrealised profit gets close to -$1000 your whole position will be force closed so you can pay back the $9000 you borrowed for your 10x $1000 loan. In this example this means if hive drops from 1 to 0.90$ it's game over, you'll most likely be left with 100$ or so depending on how volatile/wild the swing was when the forced liquidation trade occurred. Binance usually sends you a warning email when you're closing in on the liquidation price (I believe it's 80%, I.e. 0.92$ in this example)

    If this alert were to wake you up and you're not like me who sleeps 8h not even waking up to an airplane having crashed into your neighborhood then you have the option to "panic" and send more usd over to the futures wallet, if you were to send another 1000$ in this case your liquidation hive price target would go from 90c to 80c giving you some extra room for error but of course at double to cost (if it does reach 80c you'll lose ~1800$ instead of just ~900)

    The flexibility then comes in where if you suddenly got some insider trading telling you someone's going to implement X on the hive blockchain and it's only up from here or you just feel like it's not going to go lower than 90c you can use part of the 1000$ you added extra to buy/long more hive. You can also change the margin multiplier from 10x to apparently 75x (crazy stuff) but keep in mind that the current unrealised minus profit will eat into the additional 1000$ you added so you can't buy/borrow another 10k to turn your 10k hive long into 20k. If the price here is still 90c and your 1k saved you from liquidation you most likely have no "extra" funds to long hive more with which would adjust your entry price based on how much more you buy. Okay that was a long and confusing sentence, let's assume you have a lot more usd and you transfer some more over to keep things simple. If at 90c you decide to buy another $10k worth of hive with 1000$ at 10x, your initial $1 entry price would drop to 0.95$, this means that if you were right and hive didn't drop further but started going up instead you'll start being in profit once it passes 95c rather than $1.

    Anyway for beginners I'd encourage to start very, very small. Always leave room for at least 3-4 "double downs" in terms of adding more balance to your futures wallet if things don't go your way and to never let the liquidity price be too high as it may cause a lot of stress. I didn't even go into stop losses or orders here, they can some times be nice while other times ruin great opportunities (you buy at $1 and place a stoploss at 98c so you'd only lose 200$ in the above example and not ~900 in case hive decides to drop under 90c while you're afk/sleeping, but you wake up and notice that not only did you lose 200$ and your position, but hive only dropped to exactly 98c taking you out and is now at 5$ which could've meant 50k profit from your initial 1k balance).

    Other readers feel free to correct me on stuff I wasn't 100% true about, this just from an amateur who thought he could make a lot more hive some years ago but decided he could spend his time on building stuff instead and only ever longed which wasn't a great idea considering the 4 year cycles.

  • @tht(73)· 654d

    I have had margin trading experience a few times before. The risk increases considerably in margin trading depending on the leverage size. Since liquidation occurs quickly, I realized that this is not for me. I only do my transactions from the spot market. There is less profit, but you do not lose all your money.

    With margin trading, there will be a significant increase in Hive's daily trading volume. In this respect, it is also good news.

  • @castleberry(75)· 654d

    I just now found out because of you and this post... so I am eagerly awaiting to get the answers to your questions with my crayons out!! hahaha untitled.gif