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My understanding and thoughts regarding this ongoing witness battle

@glory7@glory7 (76)2363d

Since the recent top 20 witness battle has started, I have received many messages asking my actions and rationales behind them. Some also asked what Korean community thinks.

While I cannot say anything on behalf of the Korean community (people have different opinions), I believe that if I write up my understanding and thoughts it would be helpful for non-Korean Steemians so that they may find it easier to understand how many Korean steem users view these events.

  • This is the point of writing this long article in English (which I seldom do).

Let me clarify the terms first, as it seems that the same word is being used in many different ways across different articles.

  • "22.2 community": witnesses who has agreed to soft fork 22.2 and users who support 22.2

  • "Justin": Justin Sun, tron, Steem INC.

  • "sct community": Steemcoinpan (steem engine tribe) users, in particular users who proxied to @proxy.token.

I want to make it very clear before I start: I simply wanted to balance between 22.2 community and Justin so that neither side could fork (if they have super majority of top 20) before I hear from both sides regarding future roadmap - how to improve STEEM. My witness voting for tron puppets does NOT mean that I support them. Proxy.token's intention is the same and lots of other Korean users share similar opinion.

Several days after Justin bought Steem INC from Ned, I learned that there was a soft fork 22.2 that freezes Steem INC's accounts.

It was shocking that witnesses (and select few - according to the screenshot below, total 65) made the decision and executed with without any public discussion, and still claims that "this statement has been co-authored by the Steem community..."

Thoughts 1: So "Steem community" is 65 users who were invited to the private channel.

Thoughts 2: Wow, so it means that witnesses may freeze anyone's account, potentially including mine, without any notice? If they can do this to the biggest investor, they can simply ignore non-whale like me fairly easily. And who would like to invest large sum of money to Steem if his account may get frozen anytime?


Later, 22.2 community explained that it was a "preventive" measure because they have not heard from Justin ("there have been a lot of uncertainties around the company and its continued use of the assets it controls, ...") and it is a soft fork that is reversible.

Thoughts 3: so this action was based on mere assumptions, or "IF"s. Basically, witnesses took Justin's accounts in custody and saying that they may give back his accounts.

I read the replies, and most of them were supportive. And for non-supportive ones, I saw lots of hostility and ridicule towards them.

Thoughts 4: It seems that users like @tcpolymath and @rentmoney (who I "met" at Splinterlands games) already expressed similar concerns, so no need for me to repeat. And I may get attacked like below (see below for a sample - I do not know who they are but it seems pretty aggressive) , so why take risk.


I also learned that the reasons cited were (1) these stakes were ninja-mined and (2) there was an "agreement" or "promise" that Steem INC steem power (and steem) should be used in a specific way.

Later I asked @aggroed, one of the 22.2 witnesses that I still vote for, regarding this. His explanation was the following:

  1. There are other ninja-mined stakes, including freedom, blocktrades, etc.
  2. But Steem INC accounts were the only ones with "social contract" that Steem INC funds should be used in a certain way.

Thoughts 5: wait, "social contract" is not a legal term (see wikipedia) that can be used for a corporation. And are there any legal documents stating above?

So I asked aggroed about official, preferably legal document that shows such alleged obligations (he said he would come back to me). In the meanwhile, I consulted a US lawyer (NY state) and she was skeptical that "evidences" suggested in postings like Evidence of Steemit Inc making representations about use of ninja-mined stake and https://steem.com/2017roadmap.pdf could be used as legally binding evidence.

And Justin fired back with the same "sneak" attack and got his accounts back and set 20 puppet witnesses.

Thoughts 6: wait, can you use exchange fund to power up and cast witness votes? I haven't read all details when I make an account at Binance, but it is likely that they should not use the customer funds without explicit(written) consent.

  • I still do not know the legal details regarding this, but this issue is not primary unless these exchanges vote again.

And 22.2 community led a campaign asking for votes. These was even a case where they were clearly buying votes:

Thoughts 7: If I remember correctly, buying votes was blamed/condemned so far. Maybe from now on, selling/buying witness votes would be okay. It seems like a bad precedent.

When 5 of the 22.2 community witnesses made to top 20 again, @proxy.token (managed by SCT community) asked witnesses' opinions on Steem issues such as power-down period ([공지] @proxy.token 증인 투표 운영 방침(@proxy.token witness voting policy) before making votes.

No witness replied.

Not very surprising, as sct community used to be ignored and sometimes even faced hostile attacks, including downvotes and ridicules (Several members were even getting auto-downvoted no matter what just because "it was not written in English" or "no thumbnail" or "too much rewards").

I used to proxy to @proxy.token, but when I read this I cleared proxy and voted for 20 tron puppets and some witnesses that I support.

Thoughts 8: I expected that no attention will be given unless proxy.token actually shows that they may change the main witnesses. They would like to make decisions based on answers from witnesses, but if they do not vote first they won't get answers.

After 6 hours, proxy.token has learned and fired witness votes. Now 17 tron witnesses are top 20.


And suddenly SCT discord channel and the previous posting got popular.

SCT community (including myself) enjoyed talking to witnesses and other Steemians and I believe that it was very productive. In short,

  1. 22.2 witnesses asked to put enough non-tron top 20 witnesses (5 or more) to prevent hard-fork from Justin. SCT community agreed and made 7 non-tron witnesses top 20. [공지] @proxy.token 증인투표 추가.

  2. SCT community asked Steem Foundation to present future roadmap/plan for Steem in 3 days, and aggroed and shadowspub(current chair of the Foundation) said they would.

5 hours ago, Justin showed up at SCT discord channel. He confirmed "real Justin" by tweeting:


While we wanted to have constructive discussion, it did not go well. Justin repeated the same thing (I bought steem with my hard earned money, I do not like to see someone's assets get frozen, I agree with what proxy.token suggested) but didn't have a chance to say something about his future plans, as some users from 22.2 community were too emotional and overly aggressive.

Thoughts 9: Calling the other party "liar" after each dialogue didn't help the conversation get going. Maybe we should get one representative from each side and let them debate how they will improve STEEM.

Almost there. It went a lot longer than I had thought.

So ... My final thoughts:

  1. It seems that it would be quite difficult to reach an agreement. Both sides (22.2 community and Justin) got emotional and cannot trust each other at this point.

  2. Justin cannot dump STEEM and take profit: even if he could power down all of his steem power, there's no way that he could sell them without destroying STEEM price and sell STEEM at a very low price since he got too many.

  3. I do not see clear path for the future - so what if Justin leaves or forfeits? STEEM was slowly dying before Justin, and I expected this STEEM INC deal would be a positive catalyst - but it seems that this is not going well, and I don't know what or how we may change the situation. I will wait for the STEEM foundation to present its roadmap.

  4. For now, I am leaning towards 22.2 community after reading @Justinsunsteemit witness voting policy - Justin, you don't use "fuck" multiple times if you want serious answers. While some of 22.2 community also lack manners, I believe that I can find people who are ready to work out a solution in a civil way.

  5. I am now worried about potential repercussion: obviously I was not an ardent supporter of the 22.2, and I belong to a minority group (Korean). Isn't it possible that some people from 22.2 community attack me (downvoting, etc) or even freeze my account?

I would like to thank @proxy.token, @aggroed, @kopasi, @jayplayco, @stoodkev, @thecryptodrive, @dakeshi, @roelandp, @therealwolf, @dalz, @themarkymark, @steempress, and SCT community members for joining the SCT discord conversation, providing information, and sharing your opinions.

Comments · 29

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  • @soyrosa(75)· 2361d

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I read some of the comments and I don't feel I need/have something to add to what has been said, but I appreciated your post which tried to look at the 'stalemate' objectively, and wanted to say that :-)

    My wish is that we find ways to never exclude people from discussions, and especially with the Korean community we would have to find a way. One thing that would be great is one or two people who speak both Korean and English perfectly that would be the 'gateway' to the Korean community and be invited in discussions, even if they are held in private. I've always been promoting the topic of languages/translations on Steem, working for davinci and Travis from the Korean community when the Steem Foundation was a 'big topic' on Steem. Still, it remains a point of attention we need to work on :-)

    DM me if you ever want to chat about it, I have a Discord where I and Travis 'collected' some translators from different languages :D It's not active now but who knows if we can revive or even grow it.

  • @dubignyp(59)· 2361d

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  • @rentmoney(77)· 2362d

    Hi @glory7,

    I agree with you and as you pointed out, a lock so neither can create another fork is what I think is best atm as well. Justin Sun stake should of never been forked. There's no legal proof shown to date that suggest his stake isn't his to do with as he pleases. The witnesses fired the first shot and Justin Sun responded.

    The man spent millions and has multiple resources at hand that STEEM(it) could of benefited from. The witnesses waited a handful of days after the AMA and then forked JS stake, that's not a long time to wait for a person who just invested millions into the STEEM coin.

    Issues: Steemit potentially moving to TRON. So what, Just Sun bought it and he can do what he wants with it. Steemit isn't STEEM.

    Issue: Just Sun potential token Swap. So what, anyone can offer a token swap. Its up to the community to accept or decline... Some will and some won't.

    Issue: Ninja Mined Stake Its been in ecosystem since the start. If the witnesses wanted to fork it, they should of done it long ago. To fork only the ninja mined stake from one specific person who just spent millions on it is a shitty thing to do.

    Issue: Exchanges get envolved, this is obviously not good for a multitude of reasons and should not of been done under any circumstances.

    Conclusion: I think this all could of been avoiding and the soft fork of JS ninja mined stake was premature. I have my fingers crossed the situation works out for the best, for everyone envolved.

  • @roleerob(71)· 2362d

    Thank you @glory7 ...

    "This is the point of writing this long article in English (which I seldom do)."

    ... for this, as it is likely the reason I am not familiar with your account. Reading through various posts today on the "war" we find our Steem blockchain in, I found a link to this post.

    Glad I did!

    I appreciate your "middle of the road" presentation here. Similar to mine, although I am on the other side of the world from you. I have created a link to it, in my post. I hope you will not mind. Who knows, perhaps it will bring you some additional "eyes" to your very sensible and well thought out positions.

    Thank you for writing this! For the sake of us all, I hope wiser heads and calmer tones prevail over the coming days, in the attempt to reach a mutually beneficial conclusion to the hostilities.

  • @markkujantunen(77)· 2362d

    Thanks a lot for explaining your perspective.

    And 22.2 community led a campaign asking for votes. These was even a case where they were clearly buying votes: CALL TO ACTION! EARN UPVOTES TO VOTE FOR WITNESSES

    @theycallmedan was just trying to get people off their butts to vote on community witnesses. He is not a witness himself. A bit rash an action, admittedly, because of the long-term implications of this. I've never seen a witness offer money for votes, though.

    I am now worried about potential repercussion: obviously I was not an ardent supporter of the 22.2, and I belong to a minority group (Korean). Isn't it possible that some people from 22.2 community attack me (downvoting, etc) or even freeze my account?

    I don't think so.

    Btw, do you know any Korean baduk players in the community?

  • @block.kids(52)· 2362d

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    Set you as my proxy on the @pangoli account. I do not have all the time and resource to follow this, but from what I've known about you now, I believe you'd make good decisions.

  • @block.kids(52)· 2362d

    Thank you for writing, @glory7. You have indeed given this a lot of thought and i think we need more of this positive and solution-seeking attitude to get from where we are now.

    This chain has always been hostile to new members and I have lost a lot of friends I invited over because someone flagged their account for something they were totally ignorant about, just like how they froze Justin's stake without trying to explain in details what that stake was meant for.

    The fact that a small group of witnesses could in effect freeze another stakeholder's accounts without dialogue, and then decide to turn the entire community against him in a bid to justify their action is very sad. We cannot preach decentralization when the top witnesses can act in a completely centralized manner without any opinion from the entire community.

    Sadly, the protests against such an action are in the minority because of the influence these witnesses command.

    The fact that we run a decentralized chain where contracts and deeds can be sealed through code, but we choose instead to act in bad faith by taking ned's word for it, and then bullying and punishing an investor for our mistake says a lot about what we do here. This seems to me like a move to protect the selfish interests of the witnesses than to protect the chain.

    Steemit inc. under Justin would have likely brought positive contributions to marketing this chain, beyond what ned was able to achieve. But I guess we will never get to find out if this drags on any longer than it already is.

    The way it seems now, both sides would have to meet at the middle to negotiate terms. One side cannot win it all here. They would have to accept a admit a few defeat to achieve a greater win-win.

    As always, it's good to read from you. Resteemed. From: @pangoli

  • @davidfar(70)· 2362d

    I was waiting for a post like this, thanks for the information and well written post! Resteemed. I hope all the guys up there will one day understand the value of content creators and respect people more than their benefits. They never heard us. They never listened to us, but now they ask for our votes! I wont say anything about any side until everything becomes clear. But I really liked what you wrote, wisely! But one thing I also would mention is: what exactly developers of Steemit were doing from 2017 to 2020 which we have never seen any new features in steemit.com , they could work on something to add some features to this website, but when everything was the same from first year till now, but maybe some minor changes which was not a big surprise compare to Steempeack which has more features.

  • @arcange(79)· 2362d

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  • @raycoms(71)· 2362d

    Thanks for your opinion on this.

    I agree on several on your points but I see a few things differently:

    1: Regarding to the softfork in secret:

    • Yes, the Witnesses changing to the softfork to "lock" Justins stake was decided "in secret".
    • However, they did publish their statements afterwards and the community had the option to decide voting them out. Instead, the community voted out the witnesses that were against this step. This way, the decision was approved by the majority of the active stake.
    • In this context it is important to state that if they had announced a public discussion on this topic before applying the softfork, Justin could've found ways to avoid this softfork. That's why it was important to be handled in secret before applying it.
    • However, I do agree with some community members that this could've been restricted to "decline witness vote".

    2: The reason for this softfork for me were way above the ninjamined stake.

    • Since Justin Sun announced the takeover, he published a lot of contrary information on this topic which made it strongly seem like a hostile takeover. While he stated on one hand that the token-swap is canceled on the other hand he continued publishing tweets regarding this.
    • Thus, either he is incompetent or these were actually calculated.
    • Thus, it was the witnesses obligation to avoid a potential 51% attack against the integrity of the chain. Not only for the sake of Steem but for the sake of DPoS in general.

    3: Ninjamine stake

    • The opinions surrounding this stake differ strongly. While there is no "hard contract" on this. It was always fairly obvious for everyone that this stake is for the sake of development of the Steem chain. Due to the continuous failings of Steemit Inc prior to the election of the new leadership there were numerous discussions already about this stake and if it is being used accordingly.
    • I don't think there is an easy answer regarding this.

    4: Fork out anyone

    • While it is theoretically possible to freeze anyones stake like this, this is possible in any DPoS chain. The only way to avoid this is if the community votes out someone. Thus, I am 100% sure that none of the current witnesses would apply such a softfork on any user BUT steemit inc.

    5: Path to the future

    I don't see a clear path to the future either. I was happy for the development of the chain in the last year (MIRA, SPS, economic changes, SMTs in beta testing) but due to the altcoin bear market the price did not reflect this.

    I'd like to see the current team continue what they were working in because I believe that this is a good path for the future.

    Thus, whatever happens I believe that funding the developers that left Steemit Inc through the SPS is definitely the best case scenario.

  • @edb(66)· 2362d

    Thanks for sharing your point of view. I want to listen to the Korean community. But I don't think the first two @proxy.token requests are good for the future of Steem.

    What many Steemians from East and West seem to forget when they propose improvements is that it's a miracle that Steem works at all. Rewarding users for posting would degenerate into an orgy of spam, plagiarism and bribery, unless there are strict countermeasures in place. I've been downvoted by a witness for using a tag, I was shocked, but we worked out a compromise and I support him now. Maybe there could be a more organized way to appeal downvotes. But downvotes are essential to discourage abuse.

    Why would we give voting power to people who could cash out within a week or a month? The 13-week lockup period should have prevented a financial attack from exchanges, but we were wrong to expect them to be rational. I might have considered supporting a change to 4 weeks if it wasn't going to help parties who supported a hostile takeover.

  • @tarazkp(86)· 2363d

    It was shocking that witnesses (and select few - according to the screenshot below, total 65) made the decision and executed with without any public discussion, and still claims that "this statement has been co-authored by the Steem community..."

    I think that the witnesses involved at least represent many more than the 65, as they are voted upon by the community.

    The SCT community is very small (300 posters?), but I think it is the third highest by payout due to the amount of stake held in that small group. Yes, stake is your voice and the proxy token is using the stake available. However, that 65 witnesses and select few also are generally highly staked users also and have been involved with the Steem community for a very long time - which is why they have the community support of many thousands of votes.

    This is a complex issue of course, but I think that Steem has to be decentralized at the governance level, and Tron do not seem to actually want that, they want either their puppet witnesses or - puppet witnesses that they will use the Steemit Inc stake to control. Either way, it is a risk.

    I really hope that at least some good can come of this, but I fear that it is going to come down to a small group of people trying to make as much money as they can, at the future cost to many thousands of users.

    Anyway, at least people are actually talking and getting interested in what is important on Steem, rather than focusing on the rewards like normal.

  • @urdreamscometrue(60)· 2363d

    And 22.2 community led a campaign asking for votes. These was even a case where they were clearly buying votes: CALL TO ACTION! EARN UPVOTES TO VOTE FOR WITNESSES Thoughts 7: If I remember correctly, buying votes was blamed/condemned so far. Maybe from now on, selling/buying witness votes would be okay. It seems like a bad precedent.

    Haha you are right, i think thats really funny 😂😂

    I now an User/social association which was flagged by ocd, for bid bot votes (he didn't even buy them himself). He leaved steem only because of this.

    Now this hypocrites are doing the same shit (again and again).

    Informative article, thanks for your work.

  • @abitcoinskeptic(75)· 2363d

    Thank you for sharing this opinion.

    Many people were nervous that the Korean community is confused. Some of them were saying ignorant things. This post demonstrates a clear understanding of the situation as I see it.

    I am now worried about potential repercussion: obviously I was not an ardent supporter of the 22.2, and I belong to a minority group (Korean). Isn't it possible that some people from 22.2 community attack me (downvoting, etc) or even freeze my account?

    I was excited when I found Steem was bought out but I wish it was anyone besides Justin Sun (you mentioned his rude attitude behaviour), he is infamous for this crude attitude (Actually, the blockchain is like the wild west and Justin is a wild cowboy). I didn't know about 22.2 until after they did it, but I realized after it was done, they needed support. I was very upset the exchanges got involved (that is definitely a legal issue, those exchanges are registered in a country with the law).

    I see the issue with the Steemit Steem as whether it is custodial trust (Steemit is the manager) or private property (their decision). I tend to think investing in the blockchain is dangerous because of poor regulation (there is no global authority). Possession is the most important. The reputation of Steem was irreversibly harmed by the actions of the witnesses and then harmed again by Justin.

    I am also nervous about the potential of being attacked again and again. However, this threat is the nature of the Steem blockchain. We are all nervous about it moving forward. I will change a lot of my witness votes after this is done.

    And 22.2 community led a campaign asking for votes. These was even a case where they were clearly buying votes: CALL TO ACTION! EARN UPVOTES TO VOTE FOR WITNESSES

    Actually this really shocked me. Your perspective on this issue is really interesting for me. I thought of it as an event or mission. I never thought to buy witness votes was an issue.

    It is ironic, I read the 4 SCT points. The only one I am strongly against is the removal of downvoting. I downvote all the time when posts are flagged for breaking rules such as the purchase of votes or really rude or stealing and lying (Don't worry I do not downvote the Korean community). It's sad I don't realize buying witness votes is a much more serious threat than buying upvotes.

    I will forward your opinion on that to my friends in the SFR downvote community and ask them to condemn it as an extremely serious action.

    I hope there is a good solution, too.

  • @steemitboard(66)· 2363d

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  • @valued-customer(75)· 2363d

    I appreciate your reason and careful consideration of these matters. Something that I have long noted is the ability of the founder's stake to assume instant governance of Steem at the sole option of it's hodler. Steem has only ever been as decentralized as the holder of that stake has allowed, and when Tron acquired it, that decentralization was undeniably threatened.

    Frankly, I'm quite surprised @ned didn't do this long ago.

    Many do not understand that all Steem was mined into existence, and all subsequent rewards have just been inflation on that original stake. There isn't really any stake that isn't ninjamined at it's outset, so ppl crying now about that genesis of Steem are wasting their time and our attention. The issue is that Stinc and it's founders repeatedly stated that stake would not be used for governance, which it never has been until it was sold, and was earmarked for supporting development, for which it has been used historically (whether you think it was used well for that or not).

    Now Sun says he just wants to sell it and profit.

    He has used it to completely centralize governance of the blockchain - colluding with exchanges, potentially criminally (IANAL).

    I was happy originally to see Sun and Tron in the position of our potential booster, but now I strongly oppose Sun's actions, because he has much degraded the security of the blockchain, and essentially ended the competent development of Steem by causing Stinc's employees to resign.

    His statements have inspired no confidence he has any reasonable plans to improve Steem or it's community, and have on the contrary more than once conveyed plans to pretty much destroy it. I'd really like to see him off our governance mechanism and reduced to merely a stakeholder, but the nature of his stake makes that impossible without restricting it's applicability to governance mechanisms.

    Regarding the reduction of powerdown to less than payout time, elimination of downvotes, and other issues, I submit that those are far secondary to the essential decentralization of Steem, and that the proposals I've seen will actually break Steem, preventing spam prevention, bot discouragement, and more, as well as deranging payouts, and making all users far more vulnerable to hackers. I have had my account hacked, lost a significant amount of Steem (for me) that was liquid, and only managed to keep what was powered up because of the extended powerdown time that prevented the hacker from taking it.

    While I am open to discussing any and all aspects of Steem, it's governance, and features like downvotes and more, I don't see any point in wrangling over such details while the corpse of Steem is cooking over a fire. If Sun retains control of governance, I don't care about powerdown times, downvotes, or hackers.

    Accordingly, I hope you decide to defend the Steem blockchain with your witness votes instead of contributing to it's present demise by surrendering governance to one individual with no higher calling than the profit motive that I can see. When you do, I'll care about the lesser matters aforementioned. Until then, I don't see any purpose in any discussions regarding Steem at all.

    If it's kill, I'll let it die. Your witness votes are adding weight to the injuries killing it, which I recommend you change. If you do, and the community manages to bring it back to life as a decentralized blockchain, then Steem governance and other issues are relevant again.

    For now, I'm posting because it's still here. I don't have any confidence it will be tomorrow. Insofar as you may act to keep Steem up and working, I ask you do.

    Thanks!

  • @tradingideas(76)· 2363d

    현 상황을 잘 정리해 주셨네요. 감사합니다.

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  • @theshaki(59)· 2363d

    $trdo

  • @nateaguila(69)· 2363d

    You seem to be trying to stay objective about the situation. It’s understandable to want to hear from both sides.

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  • @bil.prag(76)· 2363d

    we could argue about that stake, and maybe he did not know what Ned and steemit were saying for 4 years, but if there was a reason for soft fork i would say it is Tron foundation public posts about steem swapping for tron smart token and steem blockchain migrating to tron blockchain. that looks like imminent threat to the blockchain. this was their weekly report just few hours before the Soft fork tron staitment.jpg

    I know downvotes were abused sometimes, and i really don't know what was downvoted in your community (not because i don't like you, it is just because i don't understand) but i would like to know how you look at for example i post a blurry mobile phone photo and write "this is great" and get 100 steem for that, you see that as milking the system or is it ok to you?

    you probably heard by now that 3 days powerdown would not work on steem because how RC, Steem Power, reward sistem works, and as we seen it would give exchanges an easy way to manipulate witnesses. Power up, do a Hard Fork, Power down and play stupid because they would have its stake in 3 days.

    "And suddenly SCT discord channel and the previous posting got popular." justin also did not contact or answered anyones call until his stake was Soft forked :D

    Isn't it possible that some people from 22.2 community attack me (downvoting, etc) or even freeze my account?

    i really don't think so, as i see no one downvoted this post, also you need 17 people to be ok with freezing someone's account, and i am sure it would never happen. there were some "epic" whale wars, with a lot of downvoting, spam, hate words and no one even suggested it. Also you know that witnesses can run in the code whatever they want if 17 of them agree on it. that is why is kinda important to vote on people you trust, especially if you have a chunk of steem. And from what i know, this 20 that were in top 20 are not all really getting along in normal situations (i could be wrong, it's not some inside info, just what i gathered)

  • @notconvinced(62)· 2363d

    Thank you for the rational, succinct and very level headed perspective of what's really going on. I to need to hear what everyone(campaigning for leadership positions) is for rather than what they are against before I decide how to use my votes.

    I'm realistic like you and do not expect to get everything I want, but need to see some compromise from all sides. Steemit has many issue's that need fixing and it's time those fixes happen. Not campaign promises either. Cold hard ideas that can happen soon, with a clear plan to institute them.

    I hope to see a change in tone as well. Some of the language and attitude is uncalled for and is creating more harm than good to put it nicely.

  • @tryp(44)· 2363d

    Glad you are not being too quick to jump on either side of this, I do have some thoughts about your thoughts though.

    Thoughts 5: wait, "social contract" is not a legal term (see wikipedia) that can be used for a corporation. And are there any legal documents stating above?

    Does it really matter whether or not this was a legally binding statement? Its not like the witnesses are legally required to recognize the ninja-mined funds.

    Both of these things are essentially social contracts.

  • @zzings(76)· 2363d

    휴. 수능때 예문 독해한것보다 신중하고 집중해서 보았습니다. 잘봤습니다.

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  • @mattclarke(71)· 2363d

    Thanks for going into detail, mate. Some of the rhetoric on both sides has been unnecessarily inflammatory. I'd like to see us pull together, with or without Justin; roll out SMTs; and run all sorts of experiments with upvotes/downvotes and staking periods.

  • @wesa(52)· 2363d

    well decentralization is the key needed for success on the steem blockchain,and i also advice that all the witnesses must come together and unite with each other to keep the steem blockchain growing....@glory7

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  • @waphilip(64)· 2363d

    Does anyone have the original post from Justin's witness voting policy post? Looks like he edited it.

  • @zaibkang(67)· 2363d

    Please keep supporting decentralize steem blockchain and steemit users building investing from 4 years and think about why you supporting a person who even not respect steem community