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1776 Shots Fired (or) Why I Proxied to LZ's Witlist & You Can Too! ✨

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Let's face it, voting for blockchain witnesses is a pain in the ass. You get 30 votes, and the sages of the platform say that one should use all of these votes for maximum effect. Until the other day, I was perfectly content with not voting for witnesses at all. However, things have changed for me remarkably on that front. I've decided to organize and collaborate with a veritable army of people in various HIVE communities.

We (and other like-minded folks) have a shared vision where those who stake troll, grief, and abusively downvote intelligent content creators on the HIVE blockchain will get marked and ostracized for their repeated persecution of those that aim to grow the social dApp in good faith.

It's one thing to see demonetization and censorship campaigns on BooTube, Fakespace, and Twatter. I mean, what can you expect from shitty and centralized platforms like that? The thing is, we've got a pretty centralized platform ourselves.

Chea, HIVE sells itself as decentralized, and it is to a certain degree. However, despite all the good intentions and best efforts, power has a way of centralizing even on a so-called "decentralized" blockchain.

Witnesses get comfortable in their positions of power, and based on stake power and the mutual aid of witness-vote trading—we end up with a sort of established Polit bureau, or an untouchable class if you will. And most of these people are pretty okay individuals.

Politics is confusing and fucky at best. I comprehend that much. And sometimes, when you go to Washington to make a change, it's Washington that ends up changing you. It's the curse of money, power, greed, and stagnation. And although I can't do much about the former three, I can aim to fix unhealthy stagnated offices of power by voting new people in.

When I came across @logiczombie's list of '30 Free Speech Witnesses,' I was invigorated and excited about the idea. I thought to myself: Wow, now I can finally use my witness votes in a way that's meaningful to me! Some people would like me to STFU. Some people would have you believe that I am complaining. And to a certain degree, they are right.

If you see that something is going wrong on the blockchain and you don't pipe up and say something about it or do something about it, then who would ever be motivated to innovate and change things? As they say, necessity is the mother of invention.

However, I am not only "complaining." I am complaining in addition to changing how I vote. Not only am I changing the way I vote, but I am also aiming to empower others to do the same. We have a handful of incredibly wealthy stakeholders on the chain who run amok and terrorize lowly content creators.

These individuals are perfectly content to use their HP to control the way that other witnesses behave. That's right. If you fall in line and laugh at the people that azircon, smooth, acidyo, pharesim, altleft, and ocdb downvote, then maybe you'll make their good boy list and get a witness vote, FAGWAN.

But I don't respect that. It's not good enough. When people put forth an effort to create quality content, and then the reward potential gets obliterated by a handful of sociopaths, not only does this type of thing have a chilling effect—it also creates a hostile blogging atmosphere. It creates an atmosphere where people become afraid to express themselves in any meaningful way.

And this, my friends, this makes us no better than the other socials out there. It also goes a long way into explaining our user retention and user experience problems. Some of the old-hats here believe we need to indoctrinate new users to accept reward censorship because of ideological differences, stake trolling, abusive downvotes, and the like.

The above mentality is retarded, and let me explain to you why this is the case. The law of the jungle is perfectly-fine if you live there. However, most people do not want to live in a jungle. They are going to expect something realistic. "In an age of censorship, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."

The truth is that the market needs to make a product that fits the consumer. I've used this analogy before, but I'll use it again for good measure. Imagine you go into a shoe store to try on some shoes. The salesperson approaches you and says: "Can I help you?" to wit you say: "Yes, can I please get these in a 13?"

Now suppose the shoe salesman comes back with a size 16 and size 10. Thus, they give you the option of wearing clown shoes or the opportunity to engage in some sadomasochistic foot binding ritual. Are you going to respect the salesperson or the outlet that employs them? Of course, you will not. You'll take your business elsewhere. Or perhaps you'll demand that the manager fire or retrain the said employee.

The only realistic maneuver for that salesperson is to apologize for not having your size in stock—then, they can politely ask you if they can order your size and give you a phone call when it arrives. Now, this is a laudable and customer-forward approach to an easily solvable problem.

Some people like to diminish the social dApp that started this whole thing. But honestly, that was the seed that made this platform capable of growing in the first place. It was the seed that drew people in and made it wildly popular for a short space in time.

All of this was before Smooth got his way after flexing in the Github and suggesting that flags should get used on "overrewarded" posts. The move essentially paved the way for the new dystopian GUI and low-key opinion downvotes to run amok.

If you ask me: We'd do well to respect the roots of what dApp made this blockchain a quasi-popular phenomenon in the first place. We cannot afford to rest on our laurels. Facebook will come out with the Diem in short order, and if we want to compete with them, we cannot allow our decentralized users to make us anything close to what they are.

I want to outline a reasonable path to achieving this goal of a less toxic HIVE atmosphere. For starters, we need to bring back the flag function and strip the downvote button of its ability to affect a post's value. In this way, people can harmlessly show their ideological disagreements without adversely affecting a post's rewards.

Secondly, we need to run a stronk education campaign on how and why to use the flag button. "Censorship resistance" can go to hell. It's meaningful. However, it doesn't cut the mustard in these dark times. And let's face it, this lame-ass word combo is code-speak, for we wanted to do something specific and did it, kind of, but not really.

Yeah, fucking cute, but we can do better. We can outperform and compete with ourselves and get so damn good that no matter how hard Fakebook tries to become us, they'll fail. However, if they launch that shit tomorrow and we have not gotten good at not being them overnight, then we're fucked and fresh out of luck.

As pertains to the suggested downvote education program, it's simple. Scams, spam, plagiarism, and improperly labeled NSF imagery are widely accepted reasons to cast a legitimate downvote. For the most part, you'd do well to forget about overrewarded posts. If you see something that's overrewarded and you're such a busybody that you feel it's your business, take it up with the stakeholders who are upvoting them.

And much similar to how I am saying: "Take it up with the individual stakeholders who are voting for them," I want to address the top 20 witnesses to ask: "Have you considered who you are endorsing for witness and why? Are you voting for them for the right reasons? Or are you voting for them because of where they can get you?"

In summary, I've chosen to proxy my witness votes to @logiczombie's '30 Free Speech Witnesses.' I've done this because it appears that his list includes people who don't vote for the on-chain sociopaths. Yeah, I'm pretty much a single-issue voter at this time. I want to see the sociopathic stakeholders get weeded out of the top 20 and to see their abusive downvotes get neutered.



For this to happen, we are going to need a lot of help. All concerned HIVE-folk will need to chip in and promote a simple idea: "To get the chain out of the hands of malicious types, the thought controllers, we must support witnesses who do not support them."

Now, I don't know all of @logiczombie's metrics to get on his list of supported witnesses. However, for starters, if you are a witness and you'd like to make the grade. A great starting point, I would imagine, is to stop supporting the blockchain bullies.

Having a handful of tyrants all willy-nilly cancel out people's rewards is on a par with the same type of insanity that causes corporations to cave to the LGBTQIA2S+ movement. I got nothing against gays, lesbians, trans-folk, and whatever the hell all that other noise is. But that FAGWAN cancel-culture bullshit, that's not for the HIVE that I know and love. What say you? Use your witness votes wisely to do the speaking for you.

So, yeah, if you've made it this far, it's put up or shut-up time. Consider this the clarion call which also appeals to logic, reason, and some god damn common sense to prevail. Stop tiptoeing around the few psychopathic whales who can ruin you when we're at the end of civilization as we know it.

If you cannot stand up to fight on the blockchain, then when you're getting culled off in real life, you'll die a thousand deaths before your permadeath. You'll think back, wincing and writhing in agonizing pain, all the while knowing that you could have done the right thing online a long time ago, and it would've cost you nothing in comparison, but even back then, you couldn't muster up the oomph.

If you're not that person, and you want to do some shit before the end comes and slaps the ever-loving shit out of you. Consider tossing your proxy vote to your local @logiczombie! Now off with you, and spread this message to the four corners and various communities in HIVE. No single one of us may have a lot of HP. However, between all of us, we have a lot of HP!

Thanks for stopping by!

Comments · 26

  • @logiczombie(67)· 1755d

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  • @logiczombie(67)· 1757d

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  • @logiczombie(67)· 1757d

    all trending

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  • @thoughts-in-time(68)· 1757d

    How dare you @azircon, good Sir. How dare you! Those rewards were for the top eight witnesses. I wanted to help them to put food on their family! You are #literallyhitler. I am so sorry to @arcange, @ausbitbank, @blocktrades, @good-karma, @gtg, @roelandp, @steempeak, and @themarkymark. I know times are tough and that doing the witness thing is often a thankless job. I merely wanted to show my appreciation. But that guy, apparently he doesn't want your family to eat. You all probably need to get carbon neutral and greenwash your amazon servers with new rainbows. Whatever FAGWAN says goes. Them's the breaks.

    Unless, of course, you all ever decide to get creative and give people a good reason to invest in the token. So far, @aggroed's splinterlands takes the cake for bringing the business here. Meanwhile, we can't fix the simple social app (what got this place started) to not look like something out of a science fiction horror show. (Watch 'Black Mirror' episode called 'Nose Dive' (s03e01), watch 'The Orville' episode called 'Majority Rule' (s01e07), and watch the 'Community' episode called 'MeowMeowBeenz' (s05e08). How is there an App for everything but not a single dApp to fix the thought controllers? What if accounts that abusively downvote get a DV time-out for a couple of weeks?

    Get good. You can do it! Hold secret meetings and don't invite these r-tards. @acidyo, @altleft, @azircon, @pharesim, @smooth. They're actively crippling everyone's investment, one user at a time. Bad news travels infinitely faster than good news, and this is why we're failing to launch proper-like. What if you capped the rewards to 50 HIVE and eliminated downvotes? Shunt the overage to votable chain development programs. Let's not get into PoB. I discredited it entirely on numerous occasions. The system we have here needs to evolve.

    Nothing ought to get done with haste. Ignoring the user experience aspect of what happens on HIVE will only continue making the token look ugly. If someone ever strikes the right balance, your entire investment of time and money will be fucked because there will be a mass exodus. Blurt/HIVE is a false equivalency. HIVE maintained a quasi-first user advantage because the exchanges fucked us. Then they listed us to save face among the crypto community. Blurt didn't have that. And I'm not even saying get rid of downvotes. We need a solution to handle problem downvoters, to nudge them towards being less troublesome.

    "The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting." ∴ Sun


  • @logiczombie(67)· 1757d

    https://odysee.com/@LOGICZOMBIE:0/2006:e9

    https://odysee.com/@LOGICZOMBIE:0/2006:e9
  • @logiczombie(67)· 1757d

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    the comment that was deleted simply said, "this happens a lot" - in response to someone asking why they'd been flagged for plagiarism for something they wrote themselves

    and the "comment spam" was merely 13 comments where I was attempting to highlight THIS:

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  • @katou.kanga(54)· 1758d

    Done! Hopefully I did it right😅 All hale @logiczombie 👏👏🙌🙏💞

  • @katou.kanga(54)· 1758d

    Ok, newbie and stupid question time. I've only got 15HBD. How many witnesses can I vote for (already voted one one the list)? Do I lose my HBD when I vote? I'm just starting to understand Hive and I want to help stop this shit😣

  • @logiczombie(67)· 1758d
  • @dystopia2030(49)· 1758d

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  • @logiczombie(67)· 1758d
  • @phusionphil(70)· 1758d

    I called for a boycott on a witness and it was hated by a few of the witnesses friends, but even 1 of the witnesses developers of hex tech agreed that I was in all rights justified to boycott their witnesses for the downvotes it issued to antivax content.

    Funny enough, I now have over 500 video witnesses to adverse reactions to the vaccine saved. All of them are social media posts I downloaded for reference where people are saying which vaccine they took and tell their whole life story of health care so there is zero doubt they were health before taking the covid-19 vaccine.

    It's honestly shameful and embarrassing to be sharing a stake with the malfeasance of these stake trolls, we can just start our own Hive Witness network and abandon this sham all together.

    For now I am using Blurt blog because they don't have downvotes whatsoever, and charge a fee for each post to dissuade spammer's.

  • @ultravioletmag(73)· 1760d

    Thank you very much for sharing 💗💗🙏🏻

  • @scholaris.pob(56)· 1761d

    I have to write that this discussion is a bit beyond me for now. I didn't know the voting governance went so deep. I've been reviewing LZ's recommendations since he commented on them. I also appreciate oldoneeye's input into revising LZ's witness-list suggestion.

    Post rewards are always a slippery slope. I've been working on fraud in our community through a "DV by justification" process for months now. I have touched on over-rewarded posts, but only at it's extremes where there was a logical fraud connection:

    • Rewards on posts with "." as the content
    • Duplicate posts
    • Recycled posts

    I can't get to the middle of the spectrum because there's no agreement...anywhere. I can't DV a post I disagree with because there's no justification for it or even a standard for reference. Can we even approach an agreement on rewards? Is that even possible? There are so many factors that go into an article's rewards it's difficult to manage the topic.

    I can follow LZ's list pretty easily, but I want to drive people towards voting on making their own educated choices. Is there even a process to fully vet a witness's activities? Is there a way I can direct or educate new people on this process?

    Anyway, thanks for writing the article and thanks to LZ for providing the list for review. It's always good to see how votes get used and how the people we elect utilize their authority. What I want is to make sure the right people are in the right place. You've shown me a weak area I need to address.


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  • @valued-customer(75)· 1761d

    Long ago I dug into the cross voting amongst the witnesses and voted accordingly. It became a quite difficult thing to resolve past two hops IIRC, and took the better part of a week, and digging into their past interactions, economic endeavors, and etc.

    Many of the witnesses have moved on since then, and others have changed their strategies and no longer meet the standards I sought to meet, so I recently was happy to get a heads up from LZ for that reason. My attention has been elsewhere mostly of late, and hearing the learned opinions of them as have been affording Hive attention is welcomed by me, and few merit more personal respect for their stands on integrity, free speech, and plain old honor more than them IMHO.

    Same goes for you, and I appreciate your call out to action.

    Thanks!

  • @por500bolos(68)· 1762d

    Some of the old-hats here believe we need to indoctrinate new users to accept reward censorship because of ideological differences, stake trolling, abusive downvotes, and the like.

    I honestly believe that a DPoS blockchain should not only provide the possibility to choose the witnesses through our upvote. But aside to unvote, it also should have a mechanism that allow us the possibility of downvote them, as a literal analogy to kick their asses out of their transient privileged position and tell them directly "Fuck off chump. You are not good for this job. You are fired!" so they can also feel the heat of a downvote just for differences of opinion and disagreements on their rewards.

    Well, next soft or hardfork... hopefully. };) LoL

  • @frankbacon(66)· 1762d

    HIVE!D

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  • @logiczombie(67)· 1762d
  • @drakos(70)· 1762d

    It makes sense to downvote spammers/plagiarists/abusers, but the notion of an "overrewarded post" is plain stupid and ridiculous. What is an overrewarded post? Who set the bar? Is there a consensus on the limit? Was it a thing when acidyo and friends were reaping hundreds of STEEM/HIVE for their own daily shitposts, upvoted by automated whale bots? Do you remember that berniesanders with his daily shitposts (literally, posting dick and poo picks) milking $500-$600 each? Did acidyo, themarkymark, smooth, blocktrades, and other super whales downvote him? Nooooooo, not a single one of them lifted a finger or wanted to confront the #1 abuser. On one hand I totally disagreed with bernie's posts, and even flagged many of them, but on the other hand he intentionally demonstrated how broken this system is. The whales readily flex their muscles against the little man for making an extra buck. I guess the rules don't apply to them, the old adage remains true: do what I say, don't do what I do. So, you know what I think about the self-righteous whales, to put it mildly, they can go make love to themselves.

  • @logiczombie(67)· 1762d

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  • @jhunizza(49)· 1762d

    I still didn't voted too,,I agree with you☺️☺️

  • @blackman15(58)· 1762d

    Really good insight. I agree with you.

  • @logiczombie(67)· 1762d

    I honestly didn't want to do this, I thought I could just proxy my vote to some reasonable person, but every account I looked at supported witnesses who had either downvoted me directly or downvoted someone I know.

    I'm willing to talk to any of the witnesses, I've had conversations with blocktrades and marky and guilty and even logic and I'm convinced they are intelligent and well intentioned individuals.

    I never expect to agree or disagree with ANYONE 100% on everything.

    If I can't disagree with you on 50% of what you believe, then I'm not a proper skeptic.

    Never blindly agree - - NEVER BLINDLY DISAGREE

  • @iamjohn(63)· 1762d

    I still didn't vote. Because never get that much time to investigate who should I vote for. Maybe I will follow your way too.