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Decentralized Standards Of Behavior | Ranty STEEM Freewrite

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Lot's of people are crying out for centralized standards of behavior on STEEM. When they do, they invoke the paradigm that they are used to, web 2.0 social media.

NEWSFLASH

This is web 3.0! My stake in STEEM Power entitles me to influence the standard to whatever I want it to be. To encourage behavior I upvote, to discourage it, I downvote. My standards might be completely different than yours, and sometimes we may agree. I'm totally cool with that. I can totally respect that you would upvote something I would downvote, or the inverse of that. What matters at the end is the ratio of who thought it was up-worthy, versus who thought it was down-worthy.


Identity-based Standards?

People tell me, don't downvote that guy, he's an A, or don't upvote that gal, she's a B. Screw that, everyone gets held to the same standard. I'm not interested in trying to track what thing everybody is, and I'm sure as hell not going to adjust my personal standards based upon a demographic. If that's your thing, be my guest. Get on the other side of my vote. That's why we vote.



The call for centralized standards enforcement

Recently an SPS proposal was floated by the so-called South Korean community to enforce more control of curators in the area of downvoting. Refer to the link below.

https://steempeak.com/steemdao/@proxy.token/sps-proposal-for-the-agreement-of-the-down-voting-standards

They want to influence what you can do with YOUR STAKE. Specifically, they want to enforce a centralized standard on the application of downvotes. They want to make this the thing we are trying to escape.

Forget for a minute how insane the logistics of attempting this would be. Why would they want to do this? In my opinion, this community bought millions of steem prior to HF21/22 and thought up all kinds of creative ways to game the reward pool. The problem is, this gaming results in complete shitposts getting $20+ upvotes.

This proposal has a whole who's who list of these gamers (thanks for that by the way). Nothing would make them happier than their delegation bots and complex self-voting systems being able to operate unabated.

NO, there will never be official standards, because I set the standard, we all set the standard. It's called decentralized governance.

Don't fall for it!

Don't let them fool you, this whole 'downvotes are violence' narrative is complete bullshit. The people crying the loudest about downvotes, are the ones who were milking the reward pool the hardest for the least amount of work prior to the HF. Don't believe me, find someone up in arms about downvotes and take a stroll through their history. It's all on the blockchain. More often than not they had some method of maximizing the extraction of rewards.

All the small accounts now actually getting curated that were previously ignored, they aren't complaining about downvotes. Don't fall for the narrative. I implore you, check out the backstory of anyone trying to push it on you.

If you turn this joint into whaleshares, C-YA

In any case, if these people get their way and find a way to enforce 'curation' of curator's downvotes, 13 weeks won't be fast enough. Enjoy the ride down.

In sum:

IT'S MY STAKE, IT'S MY VOTE!

IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE THAT AND CRAVE A NANNY PLATFORM...

FACEBOOK, TWITTER, YOUTUBE, AND REDDIT ARE WAITING WITH OPEN ARMS

Comments · 33

  • @wanderingmoon(63)· 2457d

    Only problem with ms social media is they don't pay to post. I agree with this post even if I disagree with the downvote feature but we all have our own opinions on things.

  • @joebrochin(65)· 2469d

    I am by no means a Steem expert. I would say the opposite. I have little to no interest in learning the inner guts of Steem or how the sausage is made. I do this for fun and if I earn a little on the side then so be it.

    With that said, I am probably going to get slammed for asking/proposing this, but here goes:

    If downvoting, or upvoting, could it not be scripted to tie the vote to require a comment on why the vote was given? Would this not eliminate some of the bots, voting wars and circle jerks? I think maybe it wouldn't be too much to ask that if something is worthy of a vote, either up or down, that it is worthy of saying why.

    On another note, I left Steemit over a year ago and just returned recently. I have only received one downvote since, and that was on my first post after I returned and only because I mentioned someone in my post that the other person was at war with. It was a big downvote and almost made me say"screw this". I am glad I did not because my rewards for content are much better than what they were before I left. I am glad I came back to Steemit.

    Learning a lot from the comments here, other than the spam comments :-)

  • @enjoyinglife(73)· 2473d

    I support this post 💪

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  • @justinparke(78)· 2475d

    Spot on! I would say as a newbie I've gotten some downvotes that have been a bit discouraging, but manual curation is going to reward me much better in the long run. I do often see sh*t posts from whale accounts that have minimal payouts and high-paying post from newbies, something that wasn't common not too long ago.

  • @adetorrent(78)· 2475d

    IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE THAT AND CRAVE A NANNY PLATFORM...

  • @tolibertydigest(33)· 2475d

    Well said. Im still new here and learing the ropes but this tidbit makes everything a lot less daunting. Vote up for you and for decentralized governance.. never heard that before but i like it.

  • @crypto.piotr(65)· 2475d

    Dear @joshman

    Interesting read. However I disagree with some parts.

    To encourage behavior I upvote, to discourage it, I downvote.

    Downvoting only in theory are discouraging any kind of behaviour. Downvoted users most of the time do not even know why there were dovnvoted.

    It's a bit like saying that we should promote behaviours by punishing people, instead of educating them and building awareness.

    How to achieve that without explaining to user what he did wrong and giving him chance to learn (before being punished) - this method will never work. I've personally seen several accounts downvoted badly without word of explanation and without warning. That isn't right.

    Instead of educating users (especially new ones) those with large stakes very often just downvote them for unknown crimes. More often than not forcing people to quit Steemit (amount of users giving up because of feeling targeted is growing every day).

    People tell me, don't downvote that guy, he's an A, or don't upvote that gal, she's a B. Screw that, everyone gets held to the same standard.

    Ok, so perhaps you can tell me what is "the same standard"? Perhaps all those people are right and you're wrong? Maybe you're not following standards? Why would you assume that what you do and how you think should be considered a norm? I would honestly like to understand.

    Don't let them fool you, this whole 'downvotes are violence' narrative is complete bullshit.

    Again, fully disagree with you. Steemit asset = users.

    And downvotes that are discouraging users (especially new ones) to continue using Steemit are only bringing damage. Instead of bringing value.

    Unfortunatelly it seem that many people on Steemit (especially large stakeholders like yourself) do not see users as an asset. Instead they value STEEM token more and this is an asset for them.

    Yours, Piotr

  • @whatsup(76)· 2476d

    It would be quite dumb to remove downvotes, suicide even.

    It is equally dumb to fight about them and talk about them all day.

    Each person uses their stake upvote what you like, ignore what you don't care about and downvote what you think is harmful.

    We don't need controlling possies telling people what to vote for.

    Of course they have the right, but that doesn't make it smart.

  • @arcange(79)· 2477d

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  • @tobetada(77)· 2477d

    good point!

  • @felix.herrmann(71)· 2477d

    My stake in STEEM Power entitles me to influence the standard to whatever I want it to be.

    Agree, everything would be the same like centralized Community Standards for monetization on Youtube.

  • @contrabourdon(73)· 2477d

    !giphy popcorn

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  • @kenanqhd(69)· 2477d

    Good point, everyone can downvote whoever so as long as we remember that Epstein didn't kill himself.

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  • @gandhibaba(75)· 2477d

    Thanks for the fine thoughts shared here. After HF21, policing the Steem blockchain has become a collective responsibility. This #newsteem has come to stay whether they like it or not. Cheers!

  • @helpiecake(55)· 2478d

    Hello!

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  • @lordbutterfly(80)· 2478d

    I dont care what they say. Those with stake have the most effect on the outcome.
    If they dont like it, they can buy more stake. ☺

  • @mindtrap(75)· 2478d

    Preach it mate!

    Speaking my mind actually...

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  • @sgt-dan(66)· 2478d

    I am just here on this post for the curation rewards!


    I would expect to see more and more downvotes to bring your earnings down to a more realistic level. @joshman

    @cryptopie post @joshman post
    $18.75 $48.00

    NOTE:   Above are current potential rewards.

    Don't get mad. I just could not resist. Just an observation. Had to leave a comment.


  • @drakernoise(63)· 2478d

    Hi @joshman, I was making my comment but it was getting too long so I decided to post it appart. Here’s my view on this : https://steemit.com/freewrite/@drakernoise/freewrite-out-of-the-downvote-trail-why Hope you’re having a nice Sunday Sending some love over there ❤️

  • @steevc(80)· 2478d

    It should be an entirely personal choice what you downvote. I do it based on the behaviour of the 'abuser' and not on who they are. Persistent spammers and vote buyers know exactly what they are doing and must know it is not acceptable. All these cries of 'censorship', 'violence', 'nazis!' are a distraction. There is a finite pool of rewards and I will do what I can to make more of it go to people who earn it. I can only change rewards by a few cents, but hundreds of us doing that makes a difference. It may mean I get downvoted myself in retaliation, but I am prepared to pay that price.

    I have found @steemflagrewards to be a great and dedicated community who want Steem to be better. I will not always agree with the opinions of some of them, but I do not have to vote the same way as them. I do get some SFR tokens for my efforts, but lately I am using those to help others.

    Believe in better and be a free agent.

  • @ybanezkim26(77)· 2478d

    Finally! Someone talked some sense.

    All the small accounts now actually getting curated that were previously ignored, they aren't complaining about downvotes. Don't fall for the narrative. I implore you, check out the backstory of anyone trying to push it on you.

    I can actually attest to this. And many more like me.

  • @azircon(79)· 2478d

    As you know very well, that proposal or anything remotely similar to that will never be funded or executed. Not till I am here anyways! :)

    Can I downvote that proxy.token post please, or will it be too insensitive? I don’t think they are ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ

  • @luegenbaron(65)· 2478d

    We def. need more stake!

  • @jocieprosza(68)· 2478d

    What matters at the end is the ratio of who thought it was up-worthy, versus who thought it was down-worthy.

    This is simply not true, when something is not always true, it's not true - we've already seen the fights of single rich entity fighting whole community and winning because of SP that one bought. If it would consider things that hurt #newsteem but I've seen post downvoted by the whale because he/she didn't share their views on life and reality! Many people come here lured by 'no censorship' slogans but in reality those with power are exactly the same as Facebook mods.

  • @sayee(75)· 2478d

    Well written. Nobody has the right to milk the system and steal the rewards that is deserved by genuine users. Instead of complaining, they can use their time to produce good content and raise the standard of the place.

  • @saboin(57)· 2478d

    At first, when the hardfork was announced, a lot of small accounts were worried that they might lose the small rewards that they were getting because of the new reward curve, and they were pretty upset about it. There was also fear that those who flag just to be jerks or because they disagree with your opinion would get worse, but that didn't really happen. And, like you said, now it's mostly the abusers who can no longer abuse with impunity that are crying the loudest about downvotes.

    I think all the former bid bots and vote selling projects that turned into curation projects after the hardfork have been very good for the platform. I've seen a lot of creators that used to get a few cents for their good content are now getting a few dollars for the same type of content. Even my own so-so content got much better rewards after the hardfork because it got curated by former bid bots.

    We need to go after the abusers with our downvotes, and I see a lot of curation projects doing that as well. In the end it's good for those who produce good content. And even those like me who just produce so-so content. Hehe!

    And like you said, everyone should be held to the same standards regardless of if they are this that or the other demographic. Vote based on the content rather than based on traits the author was born with and has no control over.

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  • @dandays(73)· 2478d

    It’s early, it’s still dark in here, I know there’s a follow button around here somewhere....

    Ok, I found it.

    Very well written, @joshman. Thank you @jlsplatts.

  • @anthonyadavisii(73)· 2478d

    I made a comment to a certain user which is pretty much in line with what you are saying. Basically, the identity politics mentality applied to curation is the problem way I see it.

    Ummm... last I checked it's supposed to be about the content. The problem is certain individuals have made things tough for those that use negative curation to adjust payout based on perceived value of the content. They want to be quick to vilify us for daring to downvote any within their protected groups.

    May as well give the scammers an open invitation to create alt personas of these protected classed. Then, they can farm with impunity.

    That's just BRILLIANT!

    /s

  • @abitcoinskeptic(75)· 2478d

    Downvoting for reward disagreement was in the original vision of Steem. I think basic etiquette means you should tell someome why you are downvoting if no one else mentioned it and you feel they are genuinely confused.

    I alsonthinknthere is nothing wrong with people banding together and deciding on their own standards. Expecting a hardfork is rather silly though.

  • @jlsplatts(70)· 2478d

    In the Food Fight Friday group we have see a significant increase in honest rewards since hf-21-22. Where as before a few would see anything over $2 the rest pennies.

    Abuse is Abuse, no matter is you are an X Y or Z. Nobody should get a special pass and allowed to abuse at their will. Upvotes and downvotes are what equalize the whole system.

    Like you said, the ones crying the most are the ones that got caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

  • @followforupvotes(65)· 2478d

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