Project HOPE

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! Let's all step back and figure out what can be done to stop LOSING STEEM USERS

	Please allow me to begin by underlining and repeating a thousand times: I'm generally not at all against using downvotes when it's necessary ...

INTRODUCTION

... I'm also fully aware of how the amount of spam has been reduced, bots are no longer a problem and content discovery is simply a much better experience. However, it's important to understand and acknowledge that downvotes, though maybe a POWERFUL tool, the mismanagement of it can cause GREAT HARM to our blockchain.

And today I came across an awful situation, where a person I recognize and I've learned to value has been downvoted for the most ridiculous reason ever, which you could put in one simple statement: I FLAGGED YOU, BECAUSE YOU DO NOT DOWNVOTE OTHERS!

Perhaps I'm exaggerating by being upset about it. However, simply because of DOWNVOTE ABUSE I've already lost more contacts on Steemit since the latest Hard Fork, than I've fingers on my hands and toes altogether.

Something needs to change, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

I got downvoted because I don't downvote people

In his latest post @livinguktaiwan explained the entire unpleasant situation. And he has the full right to feel like the victim of abuse.

Imagine for a moment, learning that you were downvoted by someone with 850k SP because of the reason below:

Quote: (@transisto has been replying on behalf of @likwid)

Just please, let's stop here for a moment and think of the consequences of this particular mindset. How many of you guys are actually downvoting others, just because you can? How would you feel is your post would be downvoted - only because you didn't downvote anyone lately?

FEELING TARGETED

	Is this what we want this place to become? Isn't our community already too small?

Are those behaviors going to help the price of STEEM to go up? Are we perhaps naive to think, that we won't continue losing new users? What about Steem PR? How do we want to see our platform by people "from the outside"?

All the marketing in the world will not help if user experience on steem blockchain will be painful and unpleasant. I've lost my count over people I knew here; which I valued and appreciated. People who gave up for that one reason - being downvoted for no reason or some absurd reason. Finally losing their faith and interest in Steem.

It's time to learn, that steem users are an asset to our blockchain. And those who join this platform often feel like they are being targeted. They feel that there is hardly anyone helping and guiding them; at the same time so many are willing to "punish" with downvotes. More often than not - without even warning or providing detailed explanation on why they were flagged.

WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT IT? Building awareness - that's the answer

It's very difficult to answer that question. After all - how can we combat downvote abuse.

Perhaps you, dear readers, have some ideas which you would like to share with me in the comment section? I read and appreciate every comment.

I strongly believe, that building and spreading awareness of this problem is a MUST. It's important to acknowledge that the problem exists in the first place, before anyone will find the answer and solution to similar issues.

Right now I would like to ask you all, to consider visiting original post by @likwid - where the entire conversation took place. Find @transisto comment and try to find a way to convince this user, that downvoting others for that particular reason is not going to serve anyone. Let's remember to be polite and mature.

I hope I'm not asking for too much. After all - do you want to end up being another victim of 850k SP downvote? Simply because you're not using downvotes yourself? Is it not in EVERYONE'S interest to change this user's mindset. And do it without causing confrontation.

RESTEEM IF YOU CAN

I would appreciate every resteem, as I believe this topic is quite important and I would like to hear what other people have to say.

So drop an upvote (50% rewards will go right away to support @project.hope) and share your own thoughts. I read all comments. Always.

Yours, Piotr

Link to original publication: https://steemit.com/steem/@likwid/how-to-use-likwid-to-get-your-rewards-instantly-into-liquid-steem-and-sbd

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Comments · 74

@eaglespeec(40)· 2367d
A downvote does exactly what it is intended for- to down ones spirit and make you run from the site @crypto.piotr
@digi3d(48)· 2391d
I didn't feel comfortable interacting too much and ultimately muted that individual because I've been subject to downvote networks my entire time here on Steemit. I've left many times and came back to the same account and hoped for better only to get downvoted until every post I did would be unable to receive funds.

During bots in 2016-2017, people thought I was a bot so I was placed on group lists to kill revenue.

During 2018,i was still on some group lists and would get downvote partied. I delegated power to Upvote bots to get around the not getting paid even with tons of votes. Keep in mind, I wasn't using Upvote bots to get Upvotes but getting pay directly to my wallet from delegating power for bots to Upvote with.

During 2019 I used a service to help me fight against the down votes but alas that service died. So the lack of being able to be noticed started and I still get random downvotes to kill some revenue. Just check my Timeline, I've been on this blockchain since 2016.

Thank you for spreading awareness and keep doing what you do. 👍
@littlenewthings(73)· 2394d
It is becoming funny that people who came to Steemit strived for Liberty, Freedom of Speech and Freedom of voluntarism in all they do here but be accountable for every action made; however from what that just happened, it seems that someone is too uncomfortable seeing people who learn to practice to hold their tongue (from downvotes) until much necessary.

I probably would not have easily downvote someone unless the content is really REALLY bad and the rewards were really uncalled for, or something I am highly not comfortable reading.

Most of the time, I just ignore that content creator unless he / she decides to swing to the extreme.

I got so many random downvotes from painstakingly well-thought, image edited for best viewing posts that I already am numb by these push-overs.

There will always bee push-overs, and what they do, they will have to answer to all their actions at the end of their journey called life.
@lighteye(77)· 2394d

Building awareness - that's the answer

Awareness could come only when the guys with a lot of upvote power (which means big stake) become aware that destroying the platform will destroy their investment.

On February 1st 2018 we had 705,537 accounts

On February 1st 2019 we had 1,210.615 accounts

On February 1st 2020 we have 1,359,486 accounts

I’m afraid the number of true users is far smaller than accounts number, and it has fallen since “the Big Fall” in 2018. No platform can grow without widening its user base.

I’m currently working on a dictionary that doesn’t leave me much free time, but as soon as I finish it, I’ll try to post a text about the construction of a decentralized platform on a foundation that should prevent abuse as much as it would be possible, using the experiences from the decentralized platforms made so far.

Cheers, @crypto.piotr
@thedrollyears(54)· 2395d
Until there is skin in the game, those that go beyond down voting plagiarism and posts that fail to meet terms of service will continue to abuse their privilege. There should be a penalty to down vote something that doesn't warrant a down vote.

There's a large responsibility to having an account large enough to make significant damage to likely as many as half of the users at one time. Many of the mechanisms that led to down vote abuse have been curbed to a healthy level. Putting an onis on services that claim to be and are intended to prevent abuse that become abusive themselves would have an effect on abusive down voting.
@hone.heke(48)· 2395d
Ye I am with you on this. And thank you so much for speaking up about this issue of abusing the privilege of free flags. Do you think it would be worthwhile to articulate very succinctly what is considered abusing the privilege of free flags. It may be that free flags are being abused so much that we need to remove them from the available menu completely.
@lisfabian(77)· 2396d
Hello friend @crypto.piotr support for my project to get healthy smiles on the platform :

https://steemit.com/reiresgratis/@lisfabian/concurso-sucesos-con-algunas-mascotas-que-anecdotas-recuerdas-con-algunas-mascotas-10-steem-a-repartir
@logiczombie(67)· 2396d
WOW, you're attracting some SERIOUS downvotes!!

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@frankbacon(66)· 2398d
Highly rEsteemed!

Always appreciate your efforts to demonstrate the positive aspects of this platform @crypto.piotr. High Regards and SteemON Bruv!
@contrabourdon(73)· 2398d
I wish you would stop spamming people's wallets.
@ajewa(69)· 2398d
This was the major reason why i left steemit in the first place. It is the big boys world. The world where small fishes are fishes while whales make themselves bigger and then perk on small fishes because they have the power to.

P.s: I sent a message to you on telegram, i hope you read it. Thanks
@crypto.piotr(65)· 2399d
Dear @ocdb, @curangel

Would you mind sharing with me why this post has been downvoted by your accounts? I would really like to know. Don't you agree with my mature and polite way of describing the problem, which many users are currently facing?

We've common friends and at least 2 @curangel curators are close to me and I've learned to respect your own projects already long time ago. Is destroying our little community on steem (which I'm trying to promote) your current goal ? Did us talking about downvote abuse somehow upset you? I really would like to know.

Yours, Piotr
@cwow2(73)· 2399d
I got downvoted because someone said I supported "mmmmkkkk311"'s beef against sbi x) I have sbi shares, why would I ever support one who downvotes sbi members, but it took a few weeks + a shit ton of retaliation before the user and I made trace :)
@xpilar(75)· 2399d
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! this post made my cup run over after reading certain comments here and that it gets downvote on a user who has not used his opportunity to downvote others. I didn't think that would happen. It is like throwing stones at a glass house, we are about to let the whole house here collapse. If it falls down it will never be able to rebuild. Everyone can use downvote and upvote, but this time it will be completely wrong.

I have previously highlighted flagging and there was a heated debate on good and bad. The mentality of some of the big flags must think before they flags because they probably want the same thing as everyone here. And then you must use your power properly, it is not fair as it is now. Many good users on steem should not be chased away, they are the ones who can attract new to the community.

I have brought some major investors to Steem and I have a new big investor coming in. But if the continued use of the downvote continues, I cannot justify bringing investors here. They are aware of the potential for downvote in society that we need, but not with the wrong use of it. If we are to succeed, downvote must be used wisely and correctly otherwise this house is collapsing and we can look far for investors who will use their SP for the community to grow.

Opinions are shared about what and how things should work here and it is easy to be great when most of us are behind a PC. What if we sat face to face in a major forum to come together Would that then be a different discussion and a more polite tone. Yes, I think so and solutions would come to the table. I speak from experience and know that it is useful. But as it is now, it seems that only a handful of you with greater power have contact and agree on how everything here should work with downvote. You have to understand that there is dictatorship, how to help instead of displacing people.

I've seen a lot in here since I signed up July 2016 But now I see that we need to be even more positive to help more people do things right here and think correctly when given the downvote.

Our great platform must have new users in, not scare them away
@pedrobrito2004(71)· 2399d
Certainly the use of the downvote without an explanation or that by requesting an explanation directly from the user who gave you a negative vote ... well, or does not give any explanation or provide a rather arbitrary or even absurd explanation ... All that harms the integration of the community and rather it gives the idea that it is moving to a "toxic community" of those that on other occasions some of my younger relatives tell me about their video games.
@hobo.media(64)· 2399d
Upvoted and resteemed. This is terrible behavior and precisely why the HoboDAO intends on being completely focused on SMT/SCOT rewards for its contests and is abandoning STEEM rewards.
@futuremind(73)· 2400d
Nicely written Piotr, This misuse of downvotes is a major problem here, and I have seen it affect people to the point of leaving, simply because they were downvoted for no apparent reason.

I also think that downvoting is only part of the problem. Circle jerking is still a problem. When you see users who've been here for years, still barely making anything for their efforts, while seeing potato heads and burn posts on trending, it starts to make one wonder, "is it really about the content, or just the return that large accounts can potentially make?"

I'm pretty grateful for my average post rewards, but it's still frustrating to know that there is plenty of low effort content making double, triple, quadruple the rewards that I make. I feel for the one's who struggle to make even a dollar on their posts.

The large stake holders have a responsibility to protect their investment by properly employing the utility of Steem, if they do not, I fear for the future of Steem.

Thank you for bringing up this topic Piotr,

Cheers, Jake
@yvhobbit(38)· 2400d
By the way - is there an abuse team on Steemit? If there is a user that abuses the downvote button (and the enormous power attached to it) or, if there is one that never posts himself, never comments but goes around downvoting others's posts and comments - is there someone out there that could put an end to such abusive downvoting?
@yvhobbit(38)· 2400d
Something needs to change, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

2 things that can be done:
1. Mute should completely ban the muted user from the blog disallowing everything - comments, downvotes, upvotes. If someone out there has a grudge against any of us - we should be able to block that person from harmning us.
2. Power of the downvote should be limited to the maximum voting power of the person being downvoted. That way if someone with 850,000 (or with 12,000) steam power downvotes a user who only has 15 - the downvote would be limited to that amount - enough to send a signal that someone out there didn't like the post (or the blog or the blogger himself as a person,) but that won't have the knockout effect when one sees his reputation halved and the post hidden for low rating.
That should prevent the abuse (or most of the abuse) that we currently witness.
@detlef-s(68)· 2400d
simple downvote replicantua, its only a copy+paste
@alpind(38)· 2400d
@cripto.piotrhola. La verdad no entiendo el porque de su downvote: cuando entre a mi cartera, me entere de su decisión, me asombro mucho su acción(extrema); No recuerdo tener relación con likwid, ni haber comentado algún post con ese nombre.

No obstante que puedan tener razones de sus conflictos. No es algo que a mi en lo particular me atañe, no he usado "el downvote", sencillamente, porque aun no he visto nada que me motive a esto. Para mi usar esa herramienta y expresar abiertamente, (no solo rechazar un post sino ir en contra de este) molestia y desagrado es de suma responsabilidad y seriedad.

No pido explicaciones ni siento culpabilidad por transitar steemit. Solo soy un participante mas y como todo es posible, quizás , tal vez, puede ser, que sea yo el equivocado y esto lo digo porque es tan reciente mi entrada aquí, que no me ha sido posible aun conocer bien esta comunidad y sus reglas.

Reconozco que todo es posible y por mas extraño que a mi me parezca, quizás lo que hace usted,puede no ser tan descabellado y en cambio yo este errado.

reciba usted cordiales saludos y que tenga un buen dia.
@safreen01(29)· 2400d
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@davidamsterdam(59)· 2400d
Hi @crypto.pioter ,

I think it is good that you write content about this subject. I had problems with Somebody downvoting me 2 years ago wen i still had a very low level and it was very frustrating for me because i put in alot off time and effort in my posting.This person downvoted my post that had small earning and i lost all my Steem and sbd that i worked hard for.. Thank you very much i follew you and i will upvote & resteem you post. 👍👍👍
@logiczombie(67)· 2400d
@crypto.piotr, after speaking to @themarkymark, it appears that @freezepeach is the only account even remotely focused on mitigating abusive downvotes.

Please consider delegating a few steem to @freezepeach to show at least token support for their valiant efforts.
@arcange(79)· 2400d
Congratulations @crypto.piotr! Your post was mentioned in the Steem Hit Parade in the following category:
- Comments - Ranked 1 with 101 comments
@azircon(79)· 2400d
1. I do not enjoy your wallet messages. That is pure spam. Going on for a long time. But you can do it because the system allows you to do it.
2. You write a post to make your thinking visible on DV. Great! System allows you to do it.
3. System also allows people to DV your post. If they disagree with the rewards. Read the steem white paper please.
4. So far you have complained about DV on comments. You never wrote a complaining post about it. Now you did.
5. Bad idea.
This is my first and last communication to you on the subject.
@trincowski(72)· 2400d
"You are free to do as you want as long as you do what I want."

This seems to be the mentality of the whales around here. Which leads to the question:
- How is this... Freedom?
@golden.future(71)· 2400d
How do I join HIVE Community?
@jadams2k18(66)· 2400d
Every time I see this kind of injustice, it reminds me of what happens in my country every day. I figured this kind of thing shouldn't happen on a platform with blockchain technology. With so many advances, artificial intelligence, machine learning, DAC, DAO, etc... Shouldn't there be a better solution?
@gandhibaba(75)· 2400d
Thanks for this bold and outspoken post. I find such reason for downvote insane and brash. Resteemed.
@johan.norberg(60)· 2400d

... I'm also fully aware of how the amount of spam has been reduced

Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to apply to your personal favourite flavours; memos and comments.
@lichtblick(77)· 2400d
Resteemed

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@wakeupkitty(72)· 2400d
You know this goes on for longer but most only care if it concerns them. If it concerns someone else it is not important especially not if it happens to a small fish. You all ignored me as I wrote about it.

I am fine with a downvote if it is about plagiarism or spam but that is never the case.

There will be no respond because a group here lives on the budget of the downvote a and find it better to shut up.

If it comes to the title of your post... It is not the downvotes only that make people leave but the huge lack of engagement.

If you earn here and you do very well, you should engage here too, comment, comment, comment. This platform is not social. The biggest group is here only to earn fast They all believe they can post something and make a huge income with it. A post that in most cases is not interesting, badly written or written only for a very small group.

The leavers are disappointed if they hear all those great stories about paying the rent and shopping with what is earned on Steem but it doesn't work that way. You have to do something back. They are not willing to invest here, do not understand this is not Facebook alike and leave. To be honest I am happy with that.

If you want to stop the downvotes the only thing you can do is call these people by name, say thanks for your "great" investment in this platform, stay, keep publishing and engage! If you leave and give in to the down over he/she won.

I would say: See it as a game, this is social media and should be fun. People with a high rep will not lose their rep within 2 days like some did.

Focus on the good Steemians and enjoy your day. 💕
@focusnow(68)· 2400d
I have been a victim. It feels horrible. It feels even more bad when the reason is simply not making any sense. Downvote abuse nearly threw me out. I just wish there is a way to censure downvote use to only valid cases, and not just using it at random.
@joshman(74)· 2400d
Here's what you can do. You can stop crying about downvotes existing on STEEM and make sure if they are unfairly doled out, you are there to help upvote the difference. This is one guy who has crazy standards, like downvoting a post for being too long. This is not the place to be if you are thin skinned. Go play in the walled garden of facebook if you can't handle stake-based governance. It's not for everybody.

What's hilarious to me is, you didn't even upvote her initial post that got downvoted in the first place with your @project.hope. You're just here to virtue signal. But keep sending out your wallet spam and telling yourself you know what's good for everybody.
@transisto(75)· 2400d
@rokhani(70)· 2400d
the use of down vote is the right of every Steemian. Steemian can use it or not, everything is left to each individual. nobody can force. However, if there is a Steemian who thinks an account must be downloaded because it does not exercise its rights I think this reason does not make sense. We cannot accept reasons like that. It would be naive if we have never done wrong then forced to do wrong, then we punish others who do not want to do wrong. IS THIS FAIR? if this continues and is carried out massively, I will make the STeem ecosystem less or less healthy. thank you @crypto.piotr for sharing this post. We need hold each other to against abuse of down vote. I also resteem this post to get many response.
@marcybetancourt(70)· 2400d
Hi @crypto.piotr. I'm interested in participating in this reflection. For some time now I have criticized the downvote because user accounts that normally do downvote do not produce at all for steemit, i. e. they do not publish.

The downvote must be regulated. A user performing a downvote must provide an explanation. This explanation cannot be "I don't like it"; because that is a subjective thing.

The downvote is a punishment for the publication and when it is marked, a mandatory dialog box must be opened automatically in the post and it goes directly to the platform organizers.

Currently the downvote is an abuse! That must stop. My downvote is 100% because if I don't like something I simply don't give my vote but I have no right to punish an original publication that meets steemit's publishing parameters.

You cannot retain users or gain new users when the rules are not transparent. The downvote is not transparent while the blockchain platform is transparent, so there is a huge and unfortunate contradiction here. Greetings Piotr
@assfaceproject(47)· 2400d
What a dink

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@achim03(74)· 2401d
The problem with downvoting is that the author takes it personally anytime and the first response is to feel threatened and you want to downvote in return. This is a natural response and it generates negative emotions.

Why, when I write a post does one downvote hurt me but the 160 upvotes are likely to skip my mind?

It's because of the negative emotions that are linked to it. These negative emotions can have a big impact on an user and it can lead him to quit steem on a bad day.

The probably best downvote strategy on steem
- Don't use it immediately. If you believe that somebody did something bad, write a comment tell him that he risks a downvote in the future.
I believe that its not wrong to downvote spam or plagiarisme but there is no need to search for a reason to downvote others. In the long term we are hurting ourselves. If a downvote is responsible for a user to leave steem, then this downvote not only leads this guy to power down and sell his steem, it also anhilates all the steem that this guy could have powered up during the next years to come...
@luciannagy(70)· 2401d
Regards @crypto.piotr and dear @steemit community

In my perspective, or, better to put it on the table :-)

In my artistic perspective, such a thing as downvote should not even be mentioned inside of an ecosystem that beats the drum from the beginning as being "libertarian", "decentralized" and so on ...

From the beginning, such a nasty habit ( that reminds me the same old and ego-centric approach from some old platforms like youtube, facebook and many others ... who actually injected the minds with such a behaviour)

The entire spectrum from now is nothing else than a result of frustrated people in most of the cases, which are not even listen/reading/watching the contents of the blogs they're upvoting randomly, like they would have scrolled their idiotic social media platforms ... where, they are actually stoping by just in the case, when, some nasty photoshoped lady would appear, or some idiotic joke/quote would have been appearing on their bloody feeds.

The other days, i've had an issue, regarding my #lnbt token https://steem-engine.com/?p=market&t=LNBT on which a fake name created arround "satoshi" ( another illusoric phantasie actually ) has been starting to downvote my blogs through which i was offering to all of those who interracted and upvoted/commented on my blog ... and ... the funny thing was ... that i've discovered ... (because I CAN) :-) that one of the accounts that actually was liking the blog through which i was offering the giveaways of my #lnbt , was in the time the follower and the creator of that bot with that fake name, through which he was just downvoting ...

The motif, was hilarious, because he saw bots voting my blog ... when actually where bots from pages like tunes/neoxian/talent/actnearn which are something like monitoring the trends, behaviours of those accounts that are active inside their platforms.

The most shocked thing was, when i've told the guy the fact that he has received my giveaway through my #lnbt token an in the same time he downvoted my blog :-)))

he said that he sent me back my tokens and he s just a follower of this mentality in using bots, so, he's continuing to do that ...

my next question was, if, he has something with my blogs ... and he answered that he even doesn't know my blogs content :-))))))))

that was the cherrish on top ... confirmation on what i've mentioned above ...

frustrated people with a lot of ego, filled with anger are devoted to serve an ugly machine like the downvoting one ...

Another thing ...

I'm an artist, i'm spending my time in composing/creating music :-) so i don't spend hrs.after hrs.just to drain a so called "steempower" ...

This sounds to me like some idiotic entities, who are going 24/7 hrs at some bloody non sense job ( JOB = just over broke) that they don't like, and, suddenly, when they realize that you're having a peaceful life/craftmenship and you're not draining your 100 % steempower to non-sense actions, then, they will make everything that needs to be done to take your power off :-)))

Just simply, 'cause they're some bloody frustrated ones ...

IF, someone thinks that the New World will have not, such a path that will not imply Order, you're living in your own illusoric world ...

We'll implement in the near Future, with our own consent, this Order, under which, anyone with such a behaviour of hatred/ego/downvoting and so on ... will pay for that ...

It will be either human harmony, and, no one has nothing with anyone or ... the opposite way ...

I think this idiotic downvote button should dissapear right now and there can be other criterias to encourage people to be more inspired when they're writing their blogs ...

Maybe the best way should be that major accounts that were managed as bots inside steemit, should become super representatives inside the platform, like, for instance, this protocol happened inside the tronscan platform ... a smart contract protocol created on tron's blockchain.

Maybe @steem-engine might have some cool platforms which are providing their tokens inside #steemit blockchain to remunerate their bloggers.

I'm happy as well for my #lnbt token https://steem-engine.com/?p=market&t=LNBT for which most of the people, even the ones who received donations/giveaways from me, it seems they don't know what to do with their tokens :-)

Anniway ...

Stop this illusory manifestation with this silly downvote, even, if we know that more than 0 % of this new blockchain spectrum is created by same old people with old and bad habits :-)

The End ...

Ciao a tutti!
@lisfabian(77)· 2401d
Hello friend it is difficult to win these people, many laugh when you tell them something, you have a part left and good. I with those 6 levels that really lowered me do not know what to say @cripto.piotr. I'm sorry and well always the abuse of power is latent. Thank you for your unconditional support. May you reach some agreement and make yourself understood in the best way. A big hug.
@offgridlife(74)· 2401d
How about just go downvote 10 new Steemian who make a mistake and spam the place.... downvote them at 1% and let them know In a comment that your 1% Downvote is meant as a gentle reminder that Spam is Not welcome on The Steem Blockchain. How about that ?
@offgridlife(74)· 2401d
Can’t you just MUTE these people ? That’s what I do... and then I be some invisible to them. I disappear. Off the Grid.
@steevc(80)· 2401d
Bots are still an issue and I could point you at plenty of people who use them for 90% of their rewards. I am downvoting some of those. People are quite happy to take an unexpected upvote, but the freedom of Steem means you can downvote whatever you like. This person is making 10x what I do and so cannot complain too much about a downvote even if it seems unfair. We all have to share the reward pool. I get a few downvotes and just consider them part of the game and perhaps a little tax on what I do here. My priority is to use what little influence I have to get rewards where they are deserved.
@deathcross(78)· 2401d

Your voice is worth something Get paid for good content. Post and upvote articles on Steemit to get your share of the daily rewards pool. (Steemit.com)

Why should people come here? The content to read is very changeful, many authors have no idea of writing and posting. The selection mechanism is bad, not all posts are good which have a lot of upvotes.

Many deadfishes... "Steem has a killing rate of 95 percent" - wrote somebody, I don't know, who. Some professionals and whales, orcas can earn, most of the users, not. Only a few pennies. Steem price is declining in trend. Anarchy is the official state form, no rules, no security, no control. Upvotes and downvotes should make things better, but they don't. For example, raging downvote maniacs are coming up with new and new pretexts to live up to their passion. "Reward curve" is bad for small fishes.

There could be solutions, but I'm afraid most of them won't be voted...
@phgnomo(65)· 2401d
The main isaue is that, as i said on my latest post, the bit stake holders of STEEM is only looking at the price, and not the value.

These reasoning to downvote is only about that: price.

Downvotes are needed on something like steem, but since we have way lower activity, people are finding the weirdest reasons to downvote anything.

Have you noticed some small downvotes spread randomly on almost every posts?

They are really small, but when you add up thousands of small downvotes...
@whatsup(76)· 2401d
Ever notice how no one makes a post about an unfair upvote?

OMG I just got an upvote from (nameabigwhale).. and my content wasn't even that good.

We have to have downvotes and because we are playing this game without a unified vision or even goals... Everyone is acting on their own views of what is good and bad for the platform. In addition some people are just wildly unreasonable.

If you want to accept upvotes you have to take the downvotes and yes we are surrounded by humans who all have a different vision and different ideas on what is good and bad and in some cases (rare) even bad intentions.

Making posts about how you are a hero for downvoting or a victim from getting a downvote is just lame.

Accept the good the bad and the ugly and if you feel you are being treated unfairly, try to find someone to offset the problem.
@d-zero(71)· 2401d
Thanks for raising your voice about these issues. You're one of the few people who actually care about these things. This isn't the 1st time this account has been doing these crazy stuff and that's just how the stake based voting works. Unfortunately the incentives for those stake is just setup very badly. You get 2.5 downvotes per day. That's just way too much. I also think we need to create stronger communities where the votes of these crazy stake holders don't do much damage. I've also seen some transactions with newsflash promobot and zer0hedge accounts. It's probably connected to the same user.
@alauddinsee(56)· 2401d
Hope all is well soon .

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@huseyinunozkan16(61)· 2401d
Dear @crypto.piotr, I appreciate for your sharing about this valuable issue. At first steemit has to release a new hardfork. Because steemit users do not keen on sharing after last one. Let's come to downvote, in my opinion downvote should not decrase the post value. Of course some sharings may contain totally opposite thoughts. But there is a big exertion in every post. My advice is: downvote should not decrase post value, but after %50 of vote number is downvote than steemit may erase the post. Other more logical adoption might put into action. Thank you for this valuable post.

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@livinguktaiwan(81)· 2401d
Hi @crypto.piotr thanks for your response and support to my recent absurd experience. Since I raised the issue, I have found out this type of behaviour from transisto is not un-normal and I'm not the first, and no doubt not the last one to become a victim.

Fortunately, having been on the platform for over two years, I've seen enough to not scare me away (though this incident must rank at the top) and know that this does not represent the majority of Steemit. What worries me is the newbies and minnows who may be targetted by these bullies. I know certainly if this happened to me last year, it would have probably threw me into fits.

I don't believe these people and behaviour can be reasoned with. Some are just born like that, it is intrinsic to them and can't be re-programmed, no matter how hard you try. That much I have learnt over the past seven months from the events in Hong Kong. You just need to wait for them to rot naturally. It's a long and painful process but we'll get there in the end.

Naming and shaming them (not they that probably care anyway) might help to speed up the process. But making sure more people on Steemit are aware of the issue will definitely help those if they are targetted. I know for sure from the comments on my post, there is plenty of support from the community and that's what keeps this place alive.
@block.token(50)· 2401d
Dear @crypto.piotr. After I read your post and I thought, what do you say about DOWNVOTE. And I totally agree with your opinion on this matter. The STEEMIT blog has launched a bot to detect posts that smell fraudulent or the like. But why doesn't the STEEMIT blog launch a bot to detect DOWNVOTE misuse?
@mintymile(69)· 2401d
@crypto.piotr ,

THen I would feel insecure using Steemit only. I actually been wondering if downvoting impacts your earning. My posts always get some downvotes and I tend to ignore them but it hurts a bit, if it won't impact earnings ok, but otherwise it hurts.

I accepted downvotes as part of posting stuff here... but I heard this from a Publishx platform user , clearly Steemit platform already has people who don't advocate Steemit because of downvote reason -:

CryptoScrimper - 4 weeks ago

well what I’m saying is if…I’m going to use an actual real life example. If you spent years using a platform and creating good content, and builidng a following and earning a significant amount from it.–If then some spiteful whale w/a ton of Steempower comes along and starts downvoting every post you make, it’s going to have the effect of obliterating income at the least. Enough of that kind of thing can effectively force you off the platform. Out of the blue, with no warning or justifiable reason. No different than what centralized legacy platforms often do. Now this person was smart enough to diversify across many platforms, but the point stands, that Steem ecosystem is not as censorship resistant as many would like to believe. Ultimately you can be at the mercy of any whale who comes along and decides “hey i don’t like this person” for literally the most capricious and pointless “reasons.” It’s a form of centralized power that can easily, and often is, abused

And I am actually finding Steemit complicated!! ... I was seeing how to withdraw Steem in FAQ posted in Steemit and I tried blocktrades it did not work, ok.

Then I check up that Shapeshift, but found out that Steem coin is not even supported there though in 2016 articles say Steem got listed i Shapeshift.

Finally through googling I understood I can withdraw Steem coin to Binance exchange and it worked. But see, its complicated already and updated information is not there in the steemit FAQ!!

With that there is this Steem, Steem Power, Steem liquid, powering up and down . It's not simple... I know something theoretically on all this but until I practically power down and get my Steem in more liquid form then only I actually know how things work, in transfering power up steem here as Steem to be converted as money.

Along with this add Downvoting punishment, it's a lot to take

Anyway... Definitely community is important. After tribes, there is better way to find posts on travel, crypto than earlier and get community engagement, it makes it lively and worthwhile, users love being in Steemit for there is community engagement. There's good rewards, when good content is discovered by tribes.

If people leave, then we lose a part of community, feels bad, we must keep Steemit users happy and motivated to be in the platform for sure.

For ex, i love CAT tribe here, find it fun, irrespective of the cat token value because of a connection as a cat person and parent. It's sad that there is this villanic power of downvoting when we just beginning to enjoy something over here.
@adexbafo(47)· 2401d
Good post to say the fact...thanks for the heads-up.

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@investinthefutur(71)· 2401d
@enjoykarma denkt du hast ein Vote durch @investinthefutur verdient! ----> Wer ist investinthefutur ?
@enjoykarma thinks you have earned a vote of @investinthefutur !----> Who is investinthefutur ?
@enjoykarma(60)· 2401d
..yes, i heard about this steemian..although there are seemingly reasons for downvotes (read @acidyo‘s post here: https://steemit.com/newsteem/@acidyo/explanations-to-our-downvotes-and-the-need-of-them-for-a-better-steem ), it should be a real reason to downvote posts and not, as it seems, just a thing of unsatisfaction or even hate or similar..in my opinion it’s getting a problem that many people here don’t give a thing to quality content or seeing steemit as a social media thing, but it’s all about ‚getting rich‘ fast...guess that most steemians are caring more about their steem account and price of steem, while they forget that it is still a content platform..anyway, it’s a sign of missing self respect and respect in general and a wrong way to care just for one‘s own coins..it is still almost forgotten that TOGETHER is the key for success..guess that’s how the whole story started..there will be a fair solution, i m sure..up..follow you..resteemed..steem on!..and don’t let you loose the will to continue..this would be the wrong answer.. !invest_vote ..and enjoy..
@reinaldoverdu(68)· 2401d
Hi @crypto.piotr

I find it very abusive that a person is given downvotes, especially if he is starting and finds no motivation to move forward on the platform. I agree with you that the best thing to do is talk about the problem and find solutions among all, we must let you know that these abuses do not seem like us. Thank you for your important contribution to this problem that affects us all, who receive downvotes without any explanation.
@enforcer48(75)· 2401d
Ah Transisto being Transisto again.
@futurekr(70)· 2401d
Actually, a community like this is what steemit needs to keep users. Steem lost me some months ago but i am glad i am back due to the good interaction i find in this community.

It is very to spend hours developing something very creative only to post it and get no one to view it. It is more depressing when it just get a flag for no reason or because the person flagging feels he has the right to flag anything.

People want to engage in a community and not chased. Also, some whales still enjoy voting themselves and their rings, well, i hope this stops someday.
@nealmcspadden(74)· 2401d
@transisto is just a crazy asshole. And I mean that literally.

He's crazy because he has no consistent set of logic that anyone can follow. It's just whims that he thinks make sense.

He's an asshole because he deems everyone who doesn't follow his idiotic rules as inferior.

Just expect that if your post gains visibility, he's going to downvote and make up some reason. If you expect the "reason" to be sensible, fair, or anything else a reasonable person would do it's either your first time dealing with him or you have yet to accept that there are terrible people in the world.
@good-darma(70)· 2401d
You are very active ... and I don't want to talk about downvote, because it's out of the ordinaryness of social platforms published by steem developers. But I want to ask you why you are powering down the steem power. Is it because you are always downvoted ...
@lanzjoseg(78)· 2401d
Hi @crypto.piotr

It is no secret to anyone that this type of accord generates a lot of discomfort, and makes new ones who are just entering the platform flee.

In all the publications I receive downvotes, without any justification but I ignore them but it still bothers to see them and know that they are there.

I do not justify this type of action without any justification, and that justification alleging that you do not use your downvotes, is not valid.

Saludos.
@guruvaj(67)· 2401d
I dont really like downvoting someone,and i dont agree on reasoning of transisto. But the blockchain is made to include that to filter bad content and bad actors, abuse will still be there,the only advice is to make this issue highlighted within the community. And let many steemians be aware of this. 😤
@gertu(70)· 2401d
Saludos amigo. Particularmente no me agrada dar votos negativos. Hay personas acá que les agrada muchísimo, dar negatividad, pues que lo disfruten. En algún momento, algo de ese negativo se devuelve. Me han dado negativos, ni se porque. Espero que se sientan bien los que lo hacen. Pero no vine a esta plataforma a dar mi rotundo pensamiento, ideas, o negativos, para decir, de que está bien publicado y que está mal. Entiendo que es una plataforma libre. Los negativos, no los quiero.

Greetings friend. I don't particularly like to give negative votes. There are people here who like it very much, give negativity, because they enjoy it. At some point, some of that negative is returned. They've given me negatives, I don't know why. I hope those who do feel well. But I did not come to this platform to give my resounding thoughts, ideas, or negatives, to say, that it is well published and that it is wrong. I understand that it is a free platform. The negatives, I don't want them.
@drakos(70)· 2401d
transisto downvotes for all kinds of weird reasons, it's nothing new.
@muscara(70)· 2401d
Every time I think Steem can't get more surreal - oh yes, it can!

I use my down votes where I think it's appropriate. Flagging just to be seen flagging - well... Anyone remember Harry Potter's Minister Fudge? Nope, I don't want to become that.
@fucho80(69)· 2401d
Hello dear @crypto.piotr, it is a very unpleasant experience to strive to create a publication and then realize that someone decided to reject it with a negative vote for a reason that person believes is fair.

It also happened to me in one of my publications, maybe I am not the best content creator but I try hard to do my best.

https://steemit.com/hive-175254/@fucho80/can-steem-make-the-big-jump-to-the-top
@qam2112(63)· 2401d
We were losing users before this became a problem may have increased the numbers but essentially steem is flawed always has been

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@alokkumar121(82)· 2401d
I have seen that comments already in the post and this reason to downvote is like a joke. Downvote is power given to us that we should use when find someone posting spam or abusing the system. There is no such condition that one has to use it. Its completely user's decision to use it or not and like the same we we do with upvote. No should force anyone to use DV and just because user is not using downvote then no DV should be given to that user.

I personally think this kind of acts will harm our blockchain where even freedom is not given to choose. Can we expect mass adoption this way? I am promoting steem with all my friends and relatives but if this trend continues then I would have to stop promotion this will not be helpful for our platform and community.

As you mentioned we are already a small community and if we need to grow then we have to move beyond all this things and do something productive for Steem rather than harming our own blockchain.

Thanks @crypto.piotr for raising your voice against it and I hope more people would come forward to support and to stop this downvote abuse.

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@ritxi(70)· 2401d
Wow, that is crazy. Actually those downvotes from users/accounts, who has voting power 15 I really am not afraid of. But those like you just mentioned, the reason sounds ricidolous.
@josevas217(74)· 2401d
Downvotes

This is a problem within steemit, people with this great power to vote always do what they think is best, maybe that is one of the things in steemit (as a decentralized network) that can blow against and not in favor of integrating more people in this platform.

I simplydownvote accounts that have theirs downvotes power unused at 100%

Many people within the platform, especially new users are practically unaware that there are negative votes, others have used it, of course, I have done it when they spam me, but before considering it I ask you to please stop, and if it is someone new I tell you that no more asking for votes or anything similar in the comments, to persist, if I do downvote ... but not because I do not agree with some issue, for example. We all have different ways of thinking.
@chekohler(76)· 2401d
I think there's a culture of victimhood that makes it worse than it is, everyone has the right to upvote and downvote anything as they please. Be it due to the content or the person and relationships they have with various stakeholders

I'm not here to take sides I feel that is a waste of time, I'm only here to defend everyone's freedom to choose what they do. The who where and why of where steem is allocated is irrelevant in my opinion and trying to say who should have it and what they should do with it isn't up to us, but the individual.

I feel the market regulates itself over time.

I downvote every day to anyone who purchases upvotes and get my fair share of downvotes in return. I know personal opinions are hard to put aside and you have the right to feel however you want but I just feel its a microcosm of the bigger picture.

At the end of the day, we all just want to distribute the inflation that all upvotes and downvotes do

INTRODUCTION

I got downvoted because I don't downvote people

FEELING TARGETED

WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT IT? Building awareness - that's the answer

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