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Normie Talk - HF21 Explained (SPS + EIP) What it is and what happens next


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There has been a lot of discussion about the upcoming HF21, but I feel there has not been a explanation of what any of it means directed to the community itself. I don't feel it has been explained in a way that everyone can grasp and understand while seeing the goal of the proposed changes.

This may be due to different styles of communication or just a disconnect from the user base. Either way I believe it is an unfortunate oversight, and this post is my attempt to remedy that. As I feel communication is extremely important for any community, organization or business.
Full Disclosure- I am not a top witness and therefore am not considered in the "consensus" aspects of this hardfork. I am am active community member and a part of a backup witness team (c-squared) though, and due to my involvement of many projects on this chain I have been included in some "conversations" pertaining to this HF discussion. During these discussions I like to think of myself as a community advocate or representative. I try to ensure community concerns are heard and do my best to keep the community in mind through every discussion. Whether I am the best choice for that is up for debate.. but I figure if I am in such a position I should take it seriously and do my best to represent the community.
So with all of that being said, this is my attempt to explain the proposed HF changes to the community, the best way I can. My goal is to help get the correct information out and give the community a good understanding of what the HF consists of, why those supporting it think it's needed, and what happens next.
I will do my best to keep my opinions out of most of this post (I'll save them for a future one perhaps), but rather try to explain the idea behind these proposed changes... from one normie to another. Therefore I will not be focusing on algorithms or charts (I'll link to those for anyone who wants them though), but rather just try to paint a picture of what the ideas of the changes are as well as the desired effect.


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# First Things First
### What is a hard fork? A hard fork is a when a change in the main protocol (or code) happens on a blockchain. This normally occurs when changes or improvements to the core code of the chain takes place. In order for these changes to take place, a protocol is released (traditionally by steemit inc here on steem) and then "consensus" must occur for the chain to migrate to this new protocol. Consensus is when 17 of the top 20 witnesses "accept" this change in protocol by beginning to run this new code and stop running the old one. Only then will these changes in protocol take effect. This will be the 21st Hard Fork to occur on The Steem Blockchain.

Here is a good description/analogy of blockchain protocol changes for anyone wanting more information.

Please note-

We are not to this point on HF21. The protocol has not been released yet and there is no scheduled date for when that will occur.

Steemit inc did release a Test Net though where witnesses will begin testing the possible code to find any issues or errors so they can be fixed. The goal of this is to prevent possible issues from occurring (as we saw with HF20), but of course not everything can always be prevented. The test net is designed to help though and many witnesses are actively testing the code currently.

Once testing has been done and they feel it's sufficient, a date will be announced.


![fork.jpg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmVXNCaH2zNJpLbkEksSHXEvbPRKSWnbkkzb7qggtBMhr9/fork.jpg)
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HF21 - The Details

This hard fork is made up of two very different and separate aspects - The SPS (Steem Proposal System) and The EIP (Economic Improvements Proposal). I will try to go through each one in a easy to understand way, while linking to more complex information for those that want it.

Part One - The SPS

The SPS, Steem Proposal System or Steem.DAO, is a worker proposal system that is coded into the chain itself. This will be an automated system (no "group" controlling it) that any member of the community can submit a "proposal" to through a front end interface. Stake weighted voting decides what proposals receive funding, and payments are sent out in installments over a time period, after a proposal has been "approved".

The SPS was proposed by blocktrades nearly 5 months ago, and after an agreement from Steemit Inc to fund the development, Blocktrades began building the code.

What is the point?

There are many blockchains in existence that have Worker Proposal Systems (or sometimes referred to as "DAO's) in effect. The idea is a decentralized and automated way to fund things that could improve or add to the ecosystem. This allows anyone from the community to propose something, and if it has enough support from stake holders then it can receive funding.

What can be funded?

Anything. Community members can submit a proposal for absolutely anything. There is a fee of 10sbd's to submit a proposal in place to try to prevent spam submissions, but anything can be submitted.

This could be used for a marketing project, outreach, onboarding, developments to the UI/UX or any other site features. It could be used to hire a management team for the community, PR reps, or some other "role" the community sees as beneficial. It could be used to fund a project idea, a game, etc etc etc.

Think of this as a way for the community to vote and fund projects they see as beneficial to the chain itself as well as the Steem Ecosystem. Therefore depending on Steemit inc. for these items less and less.

It allows the community to redirect some of the shared inflation pool to things that could have a positive impact on the ecosystem and hopefully improve the overall value of STEEM.

Where does the funding come from?

When the SPS was originally announced there had been a discussion of Steemit Inc. contributing a substantial "seed funding" (as detailed in the link above), that amount is now discussed to be 200K STEEM.

It is very important though for the worker proposal system to have sustainable funding to be successful, as well as the importance of it not solely relying on Steemit Inc itself. That means it is even more important that the community redirect sustainable funding from some other place to ensure this worker proposal system can actually provide a service to the community.

Proposed Sustainable Funding Source On steem we have a shared rewards pool that is sourced from inflation. This pool is allocated to different types of "rewards" as seen below;

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The idea of this inflation pool is to use these funds to pay for things that add value to STEEM. Currently it's being used to pay rewards to authors/curators through post and comment payouts, a vesting interest reward and witness rewards (paid in SP).

The figures (when combined) look like this currently -

Authors/Curators - 75% | Interest - 15% | Witnesses 10%


As you can see the largest part of the inflation pool is being used to reward content contributions.
The Proposed Change-

Authors/Curators - 65% | Interest - 15% | Witnesses 10% | SPS - 10%


The idea is that since that is the group receiving the largest cut, that redirecting 10% of that inflation to the SPS would be a good place to start. Remember, the inflation pool should be used for what adds the most value to Steem and has the most long term benefit.. therefore improving the price of STEEM for everyone. Many feel the SPS could be exactly what we need to push Steem to where it needs to be, while giving the community control over what is funded itself.
#### TDLR Part One The SPS is an automated worker proposal system that was coded by Blocktrades. Proposed funding would be a combination of donations as well as redirecting 10% of the current inflation pool to the SPS itself.
**My Thoughts on SPS?** I think the SPS is desperately needed and could be very beneficial for the Steem ecosystem. I think that the inflation pool should be used to fund what adds value, or ultimately that inflation is actually contributing to a decrease in the price of STEEM.

I left a comment on this post of my thoughts overall for anyone interested, but I won't include them here for sake of time and not wanting to include too much of my own opinions.


![economics.jpeg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmYXRnW3kQwWDts7aimUnMQRse5V6qVQUAUscjNmtP1dgn/economics.jpeg)
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# Part Two - The EIP The EIP, Economic Improvement Proposal, is something that has come about due to *years* of conversations about how to improve the economics of the Steem Ecosystem. First conversations about such changes can be seen in [this post](https://steemit.com/steemit/@ats-david/make-steemit-great-again-fork-this-place) as well as many other places. This discussion has been debated among top witnesses, stake holders and community members since that time with no actual attempt in change being considered until now.

The current proposal consists of three different components working together in tandem to hopefully improve the economics on Steem. You can see the details on Steemit Inc's post opening up discussion about the topic.


## The Three Components of The EIP
## 1) 50:50 Split
#### What is it? This would be a change in the current split of content rewards from **Author 75%/Curators 25%** to **Author 50%/Curators 50%**.

What is the goal?

It is no secret that we need more content consumers on Steem. We have great content, we need people to read it and reward it though. The idea here is that individuals would actually profit by curating and upvoting said content, so they will do it, rather than other forms of earning a profit.

Imagine if all those spamming could actually just curate to get a return on their investment? Imagine if large stake holders actually made a return by trailing some of the manual curation efforts? What if it was actually profitable for individuals to invest in steem and reward the valuable content? Would more people do it? That's the idea.

But what about those just spamming and upvoting themselves? No matter of the split they still are getting 100%, right?

Well that is where downvotes come in...

2) The Downvote Pool


#### What is it? The proposed downvote pool is designed to help counter this behavior by removing the "cost" of downvotes to a certain limit. Currently downvotes are not "free", in fact to use a downvote you are using the allocated "mana" that can be used for those 10 upvotes a day that regenerate.

Essentially, to downvote something you are throwing away possible ROI you would receive by upvoting something instead. When an individual downvotes something their vote worth, as well as the same amount of reward on the content receiving the downvote is sent back to the shared rewards pool. There is a benefit to the chain of course, as this puts rewards back into the pool to be distributed to all authors, but the individual downvoting has given up ROI of possible curation rewards from casting that vote instead.

This has led to a culture of downvotes not being used by the majority to fight abuse of the shared rewards pool. Leaving us with bid bot abuse going unchecked, self upvoted spam by large and small stake holders alike, as well as extremely overly rewarded content becoming the norm.

Rewards are intended to show consensus from the community- An Upvote is showing a stake holder feels the contribution is worth more than the current reward. A Downvoteis showing a stake holder feels the contribution is worth less than the current reward. At the end of the payout time period (7days) whatever the community consensus is, is then allocated to that specific contribution. It is really that simple.

How will it work?

The proposed pool would just allow 25% "free" downvotes. This means that a separate small pool would be consumed by the downvotes prior to consuming voting mana. Meaning an individual could use a limited amount of downvotes before having to use their "allocated votes" as we see today. There is no "reward" for downvoting, there will just now be a few "free" downvotes to use.

What is the goal?

To encourage downvotes to be used as a curation mechanism, as well as abuse fighting on a larger scale. The goal is for those large stake holders to now be encouraged to go and downvote bid bot abuse as well as self voting spammers who are removing rewards from the shared pool while not returning value.

The idea is that if someone who is currently posting spam and upvoting it now as the option to curate instead and earn a profit(50:50), they may be more likely to do so.. rather than spam and risk being downvoted.

This also applies to bid bot users. If someone is abusing bid bots and is constantly downvoted by the community for doing so they will loose money, as they have to pay for those votes. If it is no longer profitable, they most likely will not do it anymore.

The idea is to reward the behavior you want to see, and sometimes that means showing distaste for what you do not want to see.. and that is accomplished through downvotes.


3) The Curve


#### What is it? The curve is a proposal to go from the current linear curve to a convergent linear curve. Steemit Inc's own Vandeburg did a very technical analysis of it in [this post]( https://steemit.com/steem/@vandeberg/reward-curve-deep-dive) as well as an updated diagram from Steemit Inc. [seen here](https://steemit.com/steemit/@steemitblog/steemit-update-hf21-testnet-sps-eip-rewards-api-smts) for anyone wanting a technical description of it.

I am not going to talk about the algorithms or the curve.. rather just my perceived goal behind it...

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Pretty isn't it?

What is the goal?

One of the goals within this EIP proposal is to encourage organic content discovery by discouraging negative behavior. One of these negative behaviors touched on before is when individuals spam and self vote to gain a profit, while adding no value in return. While the downvote pool as well as 50:50 are designed to encourage them to do otherwise, downvotes can only happen if the abuse is seen.

Abuse Fighting

One idea behind this curve is that it discourages those individuals from spreading their stake and this abuse over multiple accounts in smaller reward amounts to avoid being caught. Due to the curve changes making that not profitable, the idea is abusers would be pushed to aim for higher returns and then downvotes could be used to counter said abuse. If this abuse is no longer profitable, the hope is individuals will turn to other ways that are profitable with less risk attached.. as in curation(50:50). Imagine if all the abusers just cast a vote on content instead.. that's the idea.

Curation

An additional aspect to this curve is that it gamifies curation a bit as well. Consider with the change to 50:50 that more and more individuals are encouraged to curate content, as they can actually make money doing so. Currently many just jump on a post they know has a big vote coming through auto votes, and sort of race to that "optimum" ROI time.

Currently any vote cast before 15mins has a bit of a penalty to it, as before that time they are forfeiting a piece of their curation rewards pie.. but they also need to get there first. So many individuals forfeit this CR just to be there first, but when curation is now worth more they will be throwing away a good return and will most likely change that behavior.

So when all the popular posts now become a race to the bottom.. as the race to become first now means you are throwing away rewards.. and the earlier and earlier the votes are cast, the less ROI they receive. The goal is that at this point it will be more profitable to find posts that don't have a large number of votes on them, aka the undiscovered gems.

The idea here is to encourage the voting of the minimally rewarded content, as that is where the best profit will be. This could mean an increase to those content creators who go relatively unnoticed or unrewarded, as now it is actually beneficial (and profitable) to vote them.

TDLR for Part Two - The EIP

The EIP is a proposal consisting of 3 components designed to work together to get the desired effect - Improve Content Discovery while discouraging negative behavior.


#### My Thoughts on The EIP? Many think I am against the EIP, I even was accused of having "resentment".. I am not either of those things. What I do dislike is how this is coming to be as well as the push to include so many economic changes within one hard fork when we cannot know what affect they will have.

With all that aside though, I believe Steem needs an overhaul.

I believe we need to encourage individuals to invest in STEEM and contribute in a positive way to the Steem ecosystem. That means we need to give them a reason to, that benefits them. I believe that having a system where we depend on altruistic behavior does not work, and most definitely is not sustainable. I believe we need to reward the behavior we want to see with our upvotes as well as our downvotes and make it actually profitable to contribute to the ecosystem in a positive way.

I believe The EIP is an attempt to do these things. I also feel it is important to note that we don't know that these changes will have the impact that is desired, and we won't know until we try them. As there is no way to predict human behavior, all we can to is attempt to design a system that encourages the behavior we want to see.


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What Happens Next


### - Test Net Currently Steemit inc has a test net in place where witnesses and community members are testing the proposed code. Discussions are still being had about details, but at this point I believe they are as stands with the idea that further changes can be made when needed.

- Hard Fork Date Scheduled

When individuals feel the testing is sufficient, a date for the hard fork will be released.

- Consensus

On the scheduled date of the HF, there must be a consensus. Which means 17 of the top 20 witnesses must "approve" or "agree" to the new protocol by implementing the code, which will migrate the blockchain to the new protocol. Then and only then does the HF go into affect.


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What does this mean for the community?

I think it's important to note that Steem in itself is an experiment, and that is not a negative thing. We are creating an economic society that has never been done before. We are doing revolutionary things... and with anything that has never been done before, there will be trial and error along the way. But without the courage to try new things, explore and experiment, we will become stagnant and not be a part of the revolution.

I believe we are attempting to work towards something better, and these changes are part of that.

What to expect

While no one can "predict" what things will look like after the HF, I think it may be helpful for the community to just have a possible "idea" of what it will look like and what the "hope" is.

Author Rewards With the implementation of the SPS and 50:50 component of the EIP, author rewards percentage of the pool will be decreased somewhere around 42.2%.

The goal or idea is though that with the combined components of the EIP taking effect, there will be less spam taking rewards and more individuals curating (as it's now profitable to do so). Which could mean even though the author rewards percentage is lower, the reward pool will be bigger (less abuse taking it) and therefore the actual rewards an author receives will actually increase.

I believe these changes will take time to balance out, as with any changes, so I personally think we should prepare for an immediate decrease in the post payout we see. But to keep calm and let the system begin to take it's new form. It is my hope that over the few weeks after the hardfork, authors contributing positively to the ecosystem will begin to see their rewards increase again. This is the goal.

Curation Do I believe that large stake holders who have been relatively inactive or in "set and forget" mode will all of a sudden start manually curating? No. Sorry, I just don't see that. BUT if it is actually profitable for them to delegate to curation groups or follow manual curation trails, then why wouldn't they? It makes sense that individuals will always act in their best interest, and if it is in their best interest to use their stake to curate content (on their own or through a trail), it seems logical that some may do just that. That's the hope.

This also applies to small accounts who are posting spam daily just to farm rewards, with the downvote actively being used to fight this, it will now be in their best interest to do something else... and curation is a possible source of revenue.

Downvotes I think the community is scared of this aspect and I can understand why, as downvotes have been used in an abusive manner in the past here. But I actually think that individuals need to consider what the majority does here rather than a few and when you begin to think that individuals will do what is in their best interest.. knocking down some of the abusers that are essentially taking rewards from everyone else is beneficial.. and with the downvote pool, they now no longer have to give up ROI on vote casts to fight it.

I believe the first week will be a shit storm, I am not going to lie.. I think it will get a little ugly.. but I don't think "average" users have anything to worry about, as the targets will be set on bigger accounts. I believe the trending page will get a bit of a shake up, but only on the aspect of bid bot abuse. I believe DRAMA will moon, so stock up!

My Advice? Relax, stay calm, don't panic if a bunch of whales are downvoting each other as quite frankly that just means more is going to the rewards pool that will be allocated to...who? The Content Creators! It's the way the system was designed.. consensus on rewards through up and downvotes, as we all share that inflation pool.

So, continue being you, keep doing what you do and let the dust settle. Then we can establish where we are, and decide on the most beneficial direction going forward.

The Steem Community is strong, and we have survived 20 Hard Forks, we will survive this one too and hopefully thrive. That's the goal.


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I hope this post is helpful. My goal here is to simply provide the community who maybe want less of a "technical analysis" style post and more of a "friend to friend" style conversation. My answers are based on my understanding and opinions on the proposed concepts, and should not be taken as anything more than that. (I do want to thank those who have put up with my constant questions and debates at an attempt to fully grasp these proposed changes and their goals. Including themarkymark, Eonwarped, Smooth, Crimsonclad and others.)

If you have any questions or want to yell at me, please feel free to do so in the comments. :)


Much Love and Steem On,

Justine
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Comments · 104

  • @dses(58)· 2600d

    I actually agree your last part that Steemians should start to invest in Steem. In fact #teammalaysia tried that quite a while when we joined together purchasing silver minted in Steem, and at the same time encourage internal trading (trade when needed - to pay bills, putting food on the table, etc).

    The only drawback I realised after a year's trial and error is that many Steemians in my community are grassroots and not all of them have the extra dough to invest in Steem, and part of the reason they are here too is a chance not only to grill themselves as better writers and content creators, they also were hoping to have this as a passive income.

    So yes, investment into Steem is crucial, but we will need to expand our catch beyond traders and internally in this community.

    I just wrote 2 posts recently trying to relay that missing piece that you concluded, and offered a possible missing piece that could strengthen the value of Steem itself.

    If you do not mind spending sometime to check it out, I would love to have your thoughts on this.

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  • @phoenixwren(73)· 2607d

    I didn't understand what the curve was about at all, so thank you for that. (I had left this article open in a tab ages ago, and just now am getting around to it, lol - that's why I'm commenting so late)

  • @crypto.piotr(65)· 2622d

    Great piece of work @justineh

    Do I believe that large stake holders who have been relatively inactive or in "set and forget" mode will all of a sudden start manually curating? No. Sorry, I just don't see that.

    You nailed it.

    My strong impression is that in order for HF21 to be succesful, we would need more so called "whales" to delegate some of their SP to those who actually (manually) curate content. That would encourage curators to be more active.

    Will that really happen? I hardly doubt so. I think most big players will "milk the cow" and will focus on short-term gains.

    Also from my understanding - current non-linear reward curve will affect those with small voting power and will discourage those who actually upvote valuable comments.

    But what about those just spamming and upvoting themselves?

    Assuming that Steemit Inc doesn't support self-upvoting, then why wouldn't they simply switch off this button? My impression is that self-voting is being fully supported by them. After all why we should only be able (as curators) to curate content of other people. Why shouldn't we be allowed to curate our own content?

    Some people are okey with it, others are against. But bottom line is that this option could be removed by creators of Steemit. And they clearly do not want to go that road. So it's fair to assume that self-voting is being accepted even by those who created this platform in the first place.

    Yours Piotr

  • @jassennessaj(72)· 2622d

    I'm tired, of reading the comments!

  • @arnel(67)· 2622d

    Thanks for this very clear explanation.. out of the many contents I see about HF 21 this one brings out more clarity.

  • @bluefinstudios(72)· 2622d

    My biggest complaint is this, as a content creator/author (Photographer), I will ahve less incentive to create.

    Now, I understand that this may spur more curation, but, with less creation going on, at some point, taken to a logical, if extreme example... what will curators be curating, if the content is gone?

    I would be willing to bet this will push even more users and content creators off this platform, if EIP goes into effect.

  • @supernova55(64)· 2623d

    @justineh Good afternoon. I Just voted for you!

    You deserved it, and thank you very much for your dedication to our Steemit community.

    Thanks for the lovely time.

    I really appreciated it.

    Hope you have an amazingly successful week ahead!

  • @crypto.piotr(65)· 2623d

    Brilliant piece of work @justineh

    Seriously RESPECT Piotr

  • @kasbook(34)· 2624d

    I like and wonder so much your way of love to the animals. I would like to say much more but my english is poor so blessings to you, your family and animals 🐆🐐🐕🐈🐎❤

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  • @karenb54(78)· 2624d

    That was a easy straight forward read and i understood it. Thank you :)

  • @proto26(68)· 2624d

    I've never really paid attention to hard forks but you explained this one very thoroughly and without so much jargon! That said, these improvements sound very beneficial to our little ecosystem!

  • @hungryharish(67)· 2624d

    @justineh you make it so easy to understand about this hardfork for minnows and thanks for taking initiative.

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  • @organduo(73)· 2625d

    How does convergent linear curve work?

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  • @simplymike(69)· 2625d

    Thanks a million for explaining this in normal words. I've been so confused about everything ever since I heard the news. People referred me to your profile and this post in particular to find an answer to all the questions I had.

    Finally I have an idea of what's about to happen. You're the best :0)

  • @starkerz(73)· 2625d

    What a highly informative post @justineh! great to have such quality on steem!

  • @burn-it-down(68)· 2625d

    Hopefully this HF will get rejected. This HF will make riches richer and poors poorer. The minnows will die.

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  • @pandaparker(59)· 2625d

    woow! Lots of people in here!! Your most commented post?

  • @billmega(53)· 2625d

    Morons! quit fucking around...You know what needs to be done!. Get on with it. Everything you people come up with is self centered. Get over yourselves, you ain't shit!

  • @justtryme90(71)· 2625d

    I don't see why "interest" payments aren't abolished completely (they amount to nothing for most users, and large holders get their rewards through other mechanisms), and that whole fund be diverted to SPS. Lets be honest, the 15% interest from the reward pool isn't keeping investors around or attracting any new ones. What might is actual value driving projects being funded by SPS.

  • @hiroyamagishi(69)· 2626d

    You hit the nail in the head by explaining this as easy as speaking in the 5th grader. We can now see how decentralized this chain by implementing the consensus of the majority of the stake holders

  • @artonmysleeve(66)· 2626d

    If it is aimed at getting more people to read posts, then I think with the change it needs to have the page count put back like the old day, so people know how many people have read their posts. I liked that feature and used to look forward to seeing how many people had took the time to see my post, if they read it great, but at least they took the time to take a look at what I had writ. I hope for that the 50/50 split will help more content creators and I have seen a decrease in posts on my feed and would like to see more. good luck with it. :D

  • @sems42(50)· 2626d

    Minimal =) I want to make love to the use of shape and typography! Resteem for you!!!

  • @paulag(74)· 2626d

    thanks for this, I needed a quick summary to bring me up to speed. You don't happen to know if anyone has taken a days worth of posts and revalued them according to the above to show the actual impact? it would make an interesting read. If not, I might try find the time to work it out my self. Interesting times ahead.

    what I would add is for people to remember, we are all on the same team and want good things for steem. Not everyone will agree on how to get there, but none of the suggested changes are being made with the intentions of negative harm to steem and its users.

  • @pibara(68)· 2626d

    Please, pretty please do an other post like this discussing the insights on the EIP from those who like me believe the EIP in its current form is going to backfire and has the potential to do real and lasting damage to the platform. You did an amazing job conveying the intent of the EIP and the reasoning as to how it could work if things go great. If you could do the same for the perceived and identified drawbacks and the reasoning of how things could go horribly wrong, that would be amazing. The EIP is a huge gamble. I really hope we are wrong in my fears and concerns and everything is going to be fine and dandy after the EIP hits the chain, but I really see no signs of any of the concerns raised by me and others being invalidated by basically raging flag wars.

    You really made an amazing post here that provides a good narrative for the intent and hope. Doing the same for concerns fears and possible fixes could really create a balanced picture and the basis for users and stake holders to shift positions appropriately.

    Further, with all the pro and cons going back and forth, and EIP pretty much set in stone, the biggest question remaining really is: Tell us about the contingency plan?!.

    If there is anything HF20 showed us, it is the need for contingency planning. And so far, despite the many warning signs about how EIP might backfire and the soothing words telling us that it won't, because pretty much pretty narrative, there is literally zero talk about a contingency plan.

  • @bembelmaniac(66)· 2626d

    the 50/50 wont change a thingy about READING Content it only power this ones up which automated voting EVERYSHIT, because its sold ( the VOTE ) so why do you all think this will change the mind of this INVESTIONS... it wont happen... all it does is to give this People more and more power , and see when STEEM is going this ANTO ROBIN HOOD way... they will loose all, at first the Content writers / singers/streamers what ever will loose, because they will get less then now... so they will stop creating because less then less is more than nothing but its still less :( So this Math with anyone will get more, shows only a BIG one get the winner because he gets more for his Vote, but hes still not interessted into reading the shit hes voting .

    SPS is one of this things i really looking forward but there im also a bit Afraid of, because in long term who will get this , its talked about paying to get seen... when NORMAL Users get less than before where should they get the Fee to pay for it, so in longterm only the big one are able to pay ALWAYS for it...

    I love STEEM-it but all i can see this time really hard its only a way how to hold the small ones small and gain more for the big ones...

    i read now one more POST about HF 21 but its one more post showing me they going a wrong way maybe im wrong or maybe im to small to see a chance for me and a lot of other small ones... ONLY the infos about HF 21 let a lot of creator leave STEEMIT and where is the efford?? Yeah, damn i cant see it.

    All i can see is a lets take it from the creators and give it to the Leechers

  • @planetauto(74)· 2626d

    Thank you, a very well written and explanetory update, I now understand how this would potentially improve Steemit, we will continue to create content through this transition, our supporters love our car content, and if all goes to plan more people will find and enjoy our videos and posts, as well as little known content providers with real offerings.

    Thank you once again this is far clearer, a new hope?

  • @bengy(79)· 2626d

    I believe DRAMA will moon, so stock up!

    LOL! I think this is the only predictable thing that is going to come out! Anyway, the chances are we'll intentioned... Hold on fast to something!

  • @michealb(67)· 2626d

    when moon?

  • @valued-customer(75)· 2626d

    Welp, I completely agree with @carlgnash, who has a clear understanding of how this is gonna shake out.

    I do thank you for the clarity you bring to a topic that is poorly understood by many.

  • @ash(74)· 2626d

    steem is not self-sustaining, that's the real issue in my opinion. you can re-allocate inflation as much as you want, but that doesn't fix the core problem.

  • @grintsch(54)· 2626d

    Some of the proposed changes in HF21 may bring a slight improvement, but there's a few huge problems with it:

    1. The responsible parties think it's gonna solve the most pressing issues with Steem. It won't.

    2. Reducing author rewards is non-sensical. I've been pointing that out many times - if the promise is "you can make money with your content", then it should be easy for users to do that, not by upvoting. It's never been easy to make good content visible by many people, simply because there's so much of it out there. This is not solved by giving more rewards to curators.

    3. Instead, it's gonna make things worse. Bots will be in a superior position to place upvotes with the best possible timing, so the lion's share of curation rewards will go to bots.

    4. None of the proposed changes make Steem easier to understand for outsiders. Why are downvotes treated differently than upvotes? Why do I get less than half of the payout that is displayed to me on my own post? Try explaining that to newbies.

    I'll probably be sticking around with Steem, but I'm not at all thrilled about the EIP and HF21.

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  • @len.george(63)· 2626d

    Thank you for "dumbing" it down to an almost understandable level. How hard is it to do a HF? So the results can be monitored, is it in the too hard basket to do changes one at a time? We would then know what worked and what to reverse. [just the thoughts of a doddery old fella]

  • @edouard(68)· 2626d

    Wow! This is a very interesting but long post, so far I’ve mostly zeroed in on the new curation system. My goodness! You are so pertinent about the downvotes; I am not sure I understand the undiscovered gem theory but I hope it works!

  • @aaronhawk(57)· 2626d

    Thank you @justineh for this post. Somehow you restored my faith in this project. Feeling better now!

  • @drumoperator(67)· 2626d

    Really appreciate this explanation. Been reading a number of posts after watching @exyle 's video on this today but this was by far one of the more positive and "insider" feeling posts regarding hf21. Read the whole thing. Guess the steemium promotion service is doing work!

  • @lordvdr(62)· 2626d

    Thank you for posting this.

  • @broester(52)· 2627d

    I appreciate your insights on this HF. I started way back and have been reintroducing myself to the platform, and catching up on everything that's happened has been rough, so thanks for shedding a little light on this topic for me, as well as sharing your views. Steem on, Justine.

  • @khussan(54)· 2627d

    Sounds like a lot will change but will it be a good or bad change i cannot say now

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  • @robyneggs(67)· 2627d

    Cheers!

    Very informative. Thanks for putting this together. Also, you can now fund the Oregon Art Community here. Thanks for all you do, Steemit!

  • @shookriya(62)· 2627d

    Great explanation for us normies, thank you.
    Unfortunately in reading the excellent discussion here I have figured out the problem if not the solution ;) In our present level of evolution, there are always going to be crappy people seeking power. If the system gives an opportunity for someone to aggregate power, it will happen, and likely not by some with a conscience since that just complicates things really. If you want to see a system without nefarious actors in high places, you’ll probably have to build one without high places.

    Even if we could eventually build a self reinforcing culture that is stable enough to withstand pressure from people who want more at the expense of the health of the whole system, I think in the beginning stages it will need to be either protected, hidden, or ignored or it will just remain an extension of the status quo.

    This thread (and all the threads dealing with these issues that I have read) does a great job of illustrating the shift that we are navigating right now. There are a lot of people who are realizing that the competitive/capitalistic form of society we have been programed to worship and it’s fascist friend socialism are two sides of an argument that will never end in freedom for anyone. Then there are the pragmatists and the people who are already benefiting from the system as it is.

    A system based on the social and economic structures we haved used in the past is what we are trying to break away from, but without relying on those same tired old ideas, (high stakes investors, roi, market manipulation) we can’t hope to flourish in a world that has yet to transition out of that paradigm...

  • @lays(67)· 2627d

    @justineh my english understanding is not good currently my upvote value is 27 cent for holding a 11500 Steem power after HF 21 My questions please describe After HF21 how much my upvote value will be if the price of steem remain same ? If my post upvote value 100$ how it will split ? i mean i am author my post upvote value 100$ after payout how much dollars i will get after deduction of curation reward and SPS 10% tax please help me i am worried

  • @clumsysilverdad(65)· 2627d

    hash, hash, rehash

    let's just get more people online

  • @deeanndmathews(79)· 2627d

    Thank you for explaining this in terms simple enough for us newbies to get it. My situation is unique; I do intend to produce as much quality original content as I can right up to and and even after the hard fork, but I'm not terribly happy with the idea of all my work earning me less, and I will be watching carefully to see if things balance out. I may even take "drama" week mostly off in terms of production, just to try out the new curation and observe the results. I'm willing to accept the premise that in the long run, HF21 might be good... but I will examining the proof CAREFULLY.

  • @lauch3d(66)· 2627d

    this:

    Stake weighted voting decides what proposals receive funding

    and DAO is an oxymoron. Stake-distribution is the very opposite of decentralized. It makes no Sense to have a stake based voting when there is no equilibrium.

    For people who know some math:

    wealth distribution curves

    they are near to total inequality

    decentralization vs. centralized bullshit

    Ralph Merkle (the crypto guy Merkle trees are named after) actually wrote a paper on DAOs and why they need to be democratic...but hey what does this old guy know. BTW the paper is peer-reviewed by Buterin, Hoskinson, and others lel

  • @isaria(78)· 2627d

    Thanks for this excellent breakdown Justine!!!❤️

  • @eliasseth(63)· 2627d

    Excellent!

  • @alexs1320(72)· 2627d

    Steem price = 0.40 $ = 1 million power upvote = 23 $ = split it however you want it's no more than 23 dollars

    If the price is 4 $ = 1 M power upvote = 230 $ = split it however you want, it's more than 100 $

    Moral of the story: do preple outside Steemit care about the ratio? No. Will this HF change the overall attitude? No. Will it affect the price? No... Why would it.

    HF21 or not - who cares BTC is about 10x stronger vs Steem about a year ago And Steem is ranked around the postion 65 with less than 10k active users @bil.prag by the way FB group for selling photo gear in a small country has 23k users. And psssss, it's not worth 100.000.000 $ ;)

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  • @oivas(71)· 2627d

    See here's my problem, even before we get to other discussions. Look at the trending posts over here, yours included. Who got your article here? Manual curators or bots? If the answer is latter then how do you think things will change once 50% curation reward goes to curators? Lets be honest and practical - you are never going to wait for 10000 Oivas to come and vote with 0.020 voting power and give you 200 value on your posts. You will run to the nearest bot.

    So let's be sensible and see how we are going to change a habit if the rewards for continuing the habit is going to be increased? Sounds pretty dumb to me..

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  • @cloudspyder(60)· 2627d

    This is really good hear!

  • @arcange(79)· 2627d

    Congratulations @justineh! Your post was mentioned in the Steem Hit Parade in the following categories:

    • Upvotes - Ranked 2 with 2250 upvotes
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  • @bflanagin(67)· 2627d

    The Steem DAO sounds exciting. Though I doubt any of my projects would be considered, the idea is solid, and the fact that we have to "pay in" to propose the idea is even better.

    As far as the rest is concerned, I'm not at all bothered by it. If I have to give up a little of my "reward" so that others can be rewarded so be it.

  • @fancybrothers(66)· 2627d

    What a wonderful explanation ! Thx a lot, I hope this will work, make the ecosystem healthier and eventually increase the price of steem..

  • @aro.steem(62)· 2627d

    Thank you @justineh for your clarification, i will upvote you as a witness! Your post gives hope to steemians. Cheers 🥃

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  • @spiritrider(61)· 2627d

    Not here to shot the messenger...
    Taking more from creators and giving to the bots that view the blog is not helping the platform... I 'll be on DLive...

  • @violetmed(69)· 2627d

    Thanks for all of these details!

  • @novacadian(65)· 2627d

    A wonderfully written and easy to understand overview! Thanks for putting this out there Justine. ✌

  • @plutoville(32)· 2627d

    Nice!

  • @franksirius(26)· 2627d

    Great content but your writing style annoys me a bit 2 comments on that: a) After reading your comment i had the feeling waaaay to much fluff like introduction to long, a lot of disclaimers like : I am not writing this and don't get me wrong, i am not going to be like that. You have a lot of great information in the post, but after reading it i had the feeling 40% of the time i am reading to much "meta text" about explaining the text itself. My thoughts were often "cut the blabla and get to the meat..." Or: don't be so fearful that the reader will misunderstand you. Disclaimer are boring content is King. b) for "i spare my opinion for another text you have a lot of own opinions in there". Everybody has a point of view and that's fine with me as long as interesting points, arguments are beeing made. And that is what you do great in this post!! But why writing lengthy (at least for readers you want to get a lot high quality input fast -like me) about: "Iam not going to give you my opinion in this text... because... and..." To then just do exactly that.. That was a bit strange to read. But great information and good explanations, but to much self-excusing, explaining text in the text etc. For me its a very common mistake though. I often can't stand the first 2min of a youtube video, so much unneeded explaining and excusing and 0 information about what you actually wanted to hear...

  • @metametheus(66)· 2627d

    Thanks as always 😊🙏🏽

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  • @ladybug146(70)· 2627d

    Well first off, I want to thank you for explaining it in a more dummy proof way so I can understand what's about to happen. Also for learning the valuable HF20 lesson and testing the codes first.

    I'm concerned about taking away the inflation interest pool, that was probably my main source of steemit income!😂😂 I'm just kidding really. I will still be sad to see it go but whatever brings value to the community with various projects and proposals in the long term. I do have legitimate concerns tho about changing the rewards to 50/50. I understand the motive behind the decision but I'm not sure it will really work out the way you intend. It looks nice in theory but we all know the peeps of steemit and they will find other creative ways to game it and it probably wont trickle down like some of you hope.

    At some point there was some whales or other high profile user bold enough to make posts about finding great quality nobodies that they will never vote on because they have no potential for earning any curation rewards on them and bragged about voting on the high profile circle jerkers instead even if it was shitposts because that's what will make them more rewards. Can you see where I'm going with this? So now my impression is that for us the low earners that do not participate in bidbots, we are about to earn even less. I have doubts that it would promote honest curation as intended. I could be wrong but...

    I get that's what the free downvote pool is for but lets face it, nobody is going to downvote their buddy no matter how they are acting or others risk a perpetual flag war and get their reputations destroyed to take a stand. Once again, sounds nice in theory but will it work?

    Next on the list. Spammers be spamming Hormel Foods out of business no matter what the reward curve is because that's what they do, I'm not sure they know how to use the blockchain any other way. That's why bandwidth allowance was implemented, sounds like it didn't quite solve that spam infection. I would like to be like a whiner and say that if this goes forking wrong I'm out of here but I almost went into withdrawals during HF20 (I now know what a crackhead feels like without his fix) so I'll probably be here no matter what. I think I have come to terms that this place is fucked up and more fucked up shit is going to come along in the future and might as well just be here, have fun and socialize and adapt with each hic-up.

    Since I already wrote a post on your post I will get off your blog now. I wish you all the best of luck with the implementations and hopefully there will be minimal down time associated(I don't think I can mentally survive another H20 drought...lol)

    Cheers! x🐞x

  • @matthewtonyit(63)· 2627d

    Thanks for this full description of this hardFork. Thanks so much.

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  • @cryptoewp(70)· 2627d

    Yeah this is very helpful post to upcoming HF21. Su i wanna thanks to you for great explain. But i want to leave a comment about downvote pool.

    As you know some individiuals or gruops have fighting each other. And we always see some little fight on blogs. But with this change on downvotes we can see bigger fights. Maybe it provides to much better content quality, but at the same time it can bring us new war gun. Actually this will be so dangerous for future of platform.

    As you mentioned many curators will not change their behaviors. So many people on steemit will wait own whale to upvote qualit content. I have been for 1,5 years. And already many groups on this networks and already they upvote just each other in same group. So how can change this people behavior. Because already they created own group economy.

    When you read all this article about new changes, it seems great. But this is just great for huge SP holders and whales. Many people will wait their miracle whale to see him/her. This is really hard way to all steemians. I hope i would be wrong about my thoughts.

    But again thanks for explain. Have a nice day.

  • @lordnigel(67)· 2627d

    Thanks for taking the time to detail the proposal; also I note your effort to declare any conflict of interest in your intro - love it!.. However you have missed out several (possible as they seem obvious) which are inherent to us all under the current governance system - for instance you will receive a dividend from curation or post as a share holder, the larger the holder the greater the conflict - you will never remove these types of conflicts with these 'tweaks'. Declaring interest and transparency is a good first step to finding an improved governance solution - Steem could really moon if you guys keep working on your awareness on governance and honestly examining this and all our roles in it..As I have studied this at university I could help a witness if they reached out and I've had enough coffee - I have a few experimental theories I have developed watching Steem closely now for a couple of years :)

    For HF21 I have some concerns like @carlgnash -- I'm running heavy on coffee so my brain is a cloud to get deep, so I'll just say I accept HF21 - lets go for it!!

    In the end we have the systems we have today and if the witnesses decide this is where we want to go, we will support and try to make it work for the benefit of Steem.

    If I could just have one wish - pls set some measurable objectives and a reasonable time frame to achieve (watch and report often) using pre-determined success measures, i.e. report honestly with facts how it goes and share it transparently with all - if the update doesn't work, be prepared to move quickly to HF22

    My head hurts due to lack of sleep but I'd try to go deeper because I love Steem :) - This means call out some worse case scenarios - so lets say objective one is to reduce all bidbot unfavourable rewarding by 10% in first 20 days and see a reduction of a further 1% each day. Sweet as, what webpage can i visit to see how HF21 is going on that objective - it would be heaps good.

    Cool think about how you take a measure now before and a measure after. Then report to all of us how we went on that objective..did it go well, did it go bad - tell us if its going really bad and that exit strategy is to be engaged, etc.

    It's actually ok for it to go bad, if you have done reasonable due diligence. I actually don't mind mistakes if we learn from them.

    I wish us all the best with coming HF21 and my fingers are crossed. I still feel strongly the issue isn't one of 'abusers'; I don't see any here - just Steemians all trying to make a buck and great platform that is free to allow people to try different things to achieve that..I see the problem more of one of inherent conflict of interest, like the dividend shareholder example I gave above. Hope this all makes sense - Thanks again for such an informing post - sleep for me :)

  • @d0zer(61)· 2627d

    A clear explanation of this upcoming hard fork.

    Thx!

  • @hobo.media(64)· 2627d

    I could live with the 50/50 change, I could live with 75% author/curator going to 65% for the Steem.DAO, but what is unacceptable to me is the 25% free downvotes. Downvotes are already being used for evil, and those doing it have to take a loss in order to do it.

    That's a big no for me... That's asking for all the anti-downvoting people to fork Steem and remove downvoting. It is an illogical thing to assume that people will be ethical with downvoting.

    Steem is not one community, it is designed to be the backbone of thousands of communities across the web. Political parties, main stream medias, religious groups and other special interest groups will use downvotes as a means of raiding other communities to terrorize and demonetize them.

    Downvoting changes the atmosphere online. If Steem becomes hugely popular, downvotes will have the effective of creating a very negative energy throughout the entire internet. Upvotes for something is a vote against everything else, so downvotes are completely unnecessary. They are used as an aggressive tool to hurt an individual or a small group. Its bully tactics, might-makes-right, not anything good and wholesome.

    If Steem keeps going down this path with downvotes the internet is better off with Steem going to $0. I want to see Steem prosper, but not if its going to embrace this downvoting nonsense. Its absolutely terrible for society. Currently, the wealthy, middle class and the poor can all speak with an equal voice, downvoting destroys that equality. If Steem were to grow popular and have downvotes it would devastate the balance online of free speech for people of all incomes. I can't support that world and any technology that would bring that about.

    I urge the witnesses to think harder on this subject. This is a serious misstep.

  • @ats-david(75)· 2627d

    The Proposed Change-

    Authors/Curators - 65% | Interest - 15% | Witnesses 10% | SPS - 10%

    If this is going to be the final proposal for the hard fork, I do not support it. Initially, I thought that using 10% from author rewards would be a good idea. I don't believe the current proposal is a good idea, and here's why:

    Reducing content rewards as a whole will reduce rewards for curation. Since curation rewards are pretty much the only way to earn anything other than a negligible amount of tokens, reducing the total content rewards pie is another hit to stakeholders.

    Yes, I know curation rewards are also proposed to increase to 50% from 25% of that pie, but the entire point of that was to better incentivize staking and curating. What this does is trade off some of that incentive in order to fund more "development" projects that have largely produced not much useful stuff to date.

    So, we trade staked incentives for worker funding in STEEM that will likely be sold in order to pay for these (likely) mostly useless projects.

    And yes, I have advocated reducing overall inflation by mostly or entirely eliminating SP "interest" - which obviously goes to stakeholders. But by eliminating that "interest," we're reducing the amount of STEEM from future circulation, thereby reducing current and future downward price pressure. This current proposal does the opposite. It will add to downward price pressure.

    The goal or idea is though that with the combined components of the EIP taking effect, there will be less spam taking rewards and more individuals curating (as it's now profitable to do so). Which could mean even though the author rewards percentage is lower, the reward pool will be bigger (less abuse taking it) and therefore the actual rewards an author receives will actually increase.

    This remains to be seen and is only the "hope." I would prefer to postpone the SPS protocols for this hard fork and see how the economic changes will alter behavior. The SPS was not something the community was clamoring for and it will likely have little effect on any user or investment behavior - changes in behavior that are actually desperately needed around here.

    Who knows...it may turn out that the SPS isn't needed after all. Maybe if we actually fix some of the economic incentive mess, things will shape up here on Steem and it may actually become a bit more attractive for use and investment.

    Many feel the SPS could be exactly what we need to push Steem to where it needs to be, while giving the community control over what is funded itself.

    This is a nice thought, but "the community" has rarely ever decided where rewards go and what projects get funded. That has mostly been decided by a very small percentage of users.

  • @sohanisti(36)· 2627d

    Interesting & Amazing Explanations...Congratulations ... you are amazing

  • @jaraumoses(69)· 2627d

    This is the first time I have understood this SPS and EIP thing fully!!!

    I saw it being introduced by @blocktrades by I just failed to pick out the key points because of the technicalities!!

    I am a tech person btw and obviously I cannot understand all techy stuff!!

    I like the way you have explained this in a way any normal or average Steem user can understand ( only if they love reading!!).

    The SPS is a great idea and should have been implemented like 2 years ago hehehe, nevertheless it's here now.

    When you were explaining the hardfork, my mine rushed(for no reason) to BCH!!!

    The EIP might be the reason it might take long for the 21 witnesses to agree on the HF!!!

    Let us us just wait and see what happens next.

    I have to admit that I didn't click on any of those technical links you included here for further reading as this post was enough for me to grasp all that has been happening for the last 5 months ever since the proposals began.

    This words below really blew me up

    I think it's important to note that Steem in itself is an experiment, and that is not a negative thing. We are creating an economic society that has never been done before. We are doing revolutionary things... and with anything that has never been done before, there will be trial and error along the way. But without the courage to try new things, explore and experiment, we will become stagnant and not be a part of the revolution.

    In one of the mostly used local languages here in Uganda 🇺🇬 here we say "Bakuwe kyonywa" directly translated to "let them give you what you drink" or literally have a drink on my bill!! images (38).jpeg So Bakuwe kyonywa for the this great post.

    I have to share this on Twitter so that other Steemit folks can see and read it.

    Jarau from Uganda 🇺🇬

  • @tonygreene113(64)· 2627d

    More "hope" for altruistic behavior. I'm too much of a realist to believe assuming people will do the right thing without incentives...

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  • @in2itiveart(73)· 2627d

    blah blah blah - as usual the hf will make the rich richer and the poor poorer - as it has done since it's inception - fortunately I already powered down my account - btc lept 20% and I made a little bit back that I had lost with all the previous hard forks. Good luck.

  • @nonameslefttouse(77)· 2627d

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    Wonderful job. And once the dust settles people will then again begin to wonder how to sell this place to the masses.

    I'm already a few steps ahead of the game with the thought process included within this post: https://steemit.com/steem/@nonameslefttouse/how-much-have-you-spent-on-entertainment-in-your-lifetime

    That's not spam, it's too old to be voted on. Just some good food for thought.

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  • @kachinhenry(68)· 2627d

    @justineh, Well explanation about HF21. Please allow me to translate into Myanmar language.

  • @terabytes(35)· 2627d

    There has been a lot of discussion about the upcoming HF21, but I feel there has not been a explanation of what any of it means directed to the community itself. I don't feel it has been explained in a way that everyone can grasp and understand while seeing the goal of the proposed changes.

    This may be due to different styles of communication or just a disconnect from the user base. Either way I believe it is an unfortunate oversight, and this post is my attempt to remedy that. As I feel communication is extremely important for any community, organization or business.

    Full Disclosure- I am not a top witness and therefore am not considered in the "consensus" aspects of this hardfork. I am am active community member and a part of a backup witness team (c-squared) though, and due to my involvement of many projects on this chain I have been included in some "conversations" pertaining to this HF discussion. During these discussions I like to think of myself as a community advocate or representative. I try to ensure community concerns are heard and do my best to keep the community in mind through every discussion. Whether I am the best choice for that is up for debate.. but I figure if I am in such a position I should take it seriously and do my best to represent the community.

    So with all of that being said, this is my attempt to explain the proposed HF changes to the community, the best way I can. My goal is to help get the correct information out and give the community a good understanding of what the HF consists of, why those supporting it think it's needed, and what happens next.

    I will do my best to keep my opinions out of most of this post (I'll save them for a future one perhaps), but rather try to explain the idea behind these proposed changes... from one normie to another. Therefore I will not be focusing on algorithms or charts (I'll link to those for anyone who wants them though), but rather just try to paint a picture of what the ideas of the changes are as well as the desired effect.

    First Things First

    What is a hard fork? A hard fork is a when a change in the main protocol (or code) happens on a blockchain. This normally occurs when changes or improvements to the core code of the chain takes place. In order for these changes to take place, a protocol is released (traditionally by steemit inc here on steem) and then "consensus" must occur for the chain to migrate to this new protocol. Consensus is when 17 of the top 20 witnesses "accept" this change in protocol by beginning to run this new code and stop running the old one. Only then will these changes in protocol take effect. This will be the 21st Hard Fork to occur on The Steem Blockchain.

    Here is a good description/analogy of blockchain protocol changes for anyone wanting more information.

    Please note- We are not to this point on HF21. The protocol has not been released yet and there is no scheduled date for when that will occur.

    Steemit inc did release a Test Net though where witnesses will begin testing the possible code to find any issues or errors so they can be fixed. The goal of this is to prevent possible issues from occurring (as we saw with HF20), but of course not everything can always be prevented. The test net is designed to help though and many witnesses are actively testing the code currently.

    Once testing has been done and they feel it's sufficient, a date will be announced.

    fork.jpg

    HF21 - The Details This hard fork is made up of two very different and separate aspects - The SPS (Steem Proposal System) and The EIP (Economic Improvements Proposal). I will try to go through each one in a easy to understand way, while linking to more complex information for those that want it.

    Part One - The SPS The SPS, Steem Proposal System or Steem.DAO, is a worker proposal system that is coded into the chain itself. This will be an automated system (no "group" controlling it) that any member of the community can submit a "proposal" to through a front end interface. Stake weighted voting decides what proposals receive funding, and payments are sent out in installments over a time period, after a proposal has been "approved".

    The SPS was proposed by blocktrades nearly 5 months ago, and after an agreement from Steemit Inc to fund the development, Blocktrades began building the code.

    What is the point? There are many blockchains in existence that have Worker Proposal Systems (or sometimes referred to as "DAO's) in effect. The idea is a decentralized and automated way to fund things that could improve or add to the ecosystem. This allows anyone from the community to propose something, and if it has enough support from stake holders then it can receive funding.

    What can be funded? Anything. Community members can submit a proposal for absolutely anything. There is a fee of 10sbd's to submit a proposal in place to try to prevent spam submissions, but anything can be submitted.

    This could be used for a marketing project, outreach, onboarding, developments to the UI/UX or any other site features. It could be used to hire a management team for the community, PR reps, or some other "role" the community sees as beneficial. It could be used to fund a project idea, a game, etc etc etc.

    Think of this as a way for the community to vote and fund projects they see as beneficial to the chain itself as well as the Steem Ecosystem. Therefore depending on Steemit inc. for these items less and less.

    It allows the community to redirect some of the shared inflation pool to things that could have a positive impact on the ecosystem and hopefully improve the overall value of STEEM.

    Where does the funding come from? When the SPS was originally announced there had been a discussion of Steemit Inc. contributing a substantial "seed funding" (as detailed in the link above), that amount is now discussed to be 200K STEEM.

    It is very important though for the worker proposal system to have sustainable funding to be successful, as well as the importance of it not solely relying on Steemit Inc itself. That means it is even more important that the community redirect sustainable funding from some other place to ensure this worker proposal system can actually provide a service to the community.

    Proposed Sustainable Funding Source On steem we have a shared rewards pool that is sourced from inflation. This pool is allocated to different types of "rewards" as seen below;

    rewards graph.png

    The idea of this inflation pool is to use these funds to pay for things that add value to STEEM. Currently it's being used to pay rewards to authors/curators through post and comment payouts, a vesting interest reward and witness rewards (paid in SP).

    The figures (when combined) look like this currently -

    Authors/Curators - 75% | Interest - 15% | Witnesses 10%

    As you can see the largest part of the inflation pool is being used to reward content contributions.

    The Proposed Change-

    Authors/Curators - 65% | Interest - 15% | Witnesses 10% | SPS - 10%

    The idea is that since that is the group receiving the largest cut, that redirecting 10% of that inflation to the SPS would be a good place to start. Remember, the inflation pool should be used for what adds the most value to Steem and has the most long term benefit.. therefore improving the price of STEEM for everyone. Many feel the SPS could be exactly what we need to push Steem to where it needs to be, while giving the community control over what is funded itself.

    TDLR Part One The SPS is an automated worker proposal system that was coded by Blocktrades. Proposed funding would be a combination of donations as well as redirecting 10% of the current inflation pool to the SPS itself.

    My Thoughts on SPS? I think the SPS is desperately needed and could be very beneficial for the Steem ecosystem. I think that the inflation pool should be used to fund what adds value, or ultimately that inflation is actually contributing to a decrease in the price of STEEM.

    I left a comment on this post of my thoughts overall for anyone interested, but I won't include them here for sake of time and not wanting to include too much of my own opinions

  • @d4rkflow(64)· 2627d

    I'm against this EIP cutting author's rewards who take time to make a content to give to bots basically, whales will not curate they will just run bots and profit like passive income this will not bring people to read and content creators will leave.

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  • @joelsegovia(65)· 2627d

    Ok, content creators have been reduced from 75% to 65% in the rewards pool calculation, then they are further shopped down from 75% of the post payout to 50%... Let's see if this really encourages content creators to use this platform. I thought that preventing spam was a task for which Resource Credits were created for. I am really doubtful that this will encourage content creators, whales already have proven they just don't care, top witnesses are more than happy since they have a budget of 30k $ worth of steem at current prices while nodes costs are around 5k $ (aggroed's figures).

    Hopefully I'm wrong and all this ends as a good change for the platform we all love.

    Best regards.

  • @bitcoinflood(80)· 2627d

    So to make it short you are taking funds from authors and curators and creating a fund to get stuff built ? But I mean look at the millions of bucks that where thrown away last year with no result and still no SMT. Leave it to the authors and curators thank you, at least they market and help the community grow.

  • @kingscrown(82)· 2627d

    great writeup

  • @tggr(63)· 2627d

    Thank you, it is probably one of the best explanation I’ve come across so far. Problem with all the other post’s is they are not written to be readable by people who Steem ecosystem so desperately wants to attract.

  • @bil.prag(76)· 2627d

    The idea is that since that is the group receiving the largest cut, that redirecting 10% of that inflation to the SPS would be a good place to start.

    what is forgot is that 65% is shared by 50.000 (i have no idea how many active people are here) and that 10% is shared by lets say 100 people (but mainly by first 20-30 on the list)

    It is no secret that we need more content consumers on Steem. We have great content, we need people to read it and reward it though.

    and that will be around maybe 200-300 people? because minnows and new people will have no influence on rewards, especially on rewarding people that are not discovered by those 200-300 people.

    The goal is for those large stake holders to now be encouraged to go and downvote bid bot abuse as well as self voting spammers who are removing rewards from the shared pool while not returning value.

    i can't wait to see this. (as someone who never used bid bots and have no idea who really holds them i kinda assume it is runned by people with a lot of steem. also the selfupvoting spam is really problem of big acc because someone that has 200SP and is selfupvoting is really not harming the distribution)

    also i hope that i am completely wrong and as this is a blockchain you will be able to point fingers at me till the end of time as a man who did not believe and was really stupid.

    just want this HF happening tomorrow so i can just not read about it and continue doing my stupid nonprofit things...

    Great post and explaining

  • @dmilliz(73)· 2627d

    Very well explained, thank you very much. You should be on the communication team. The way I fee about it all, damned if we do, damned if we don't. So might as well try the EIP . I was on the fence about this all, but things cannot remain the same if steem is to evolve. Yup, shvt is gonna get fugly but we shall see a new culture birthed from the flames. It will eventually cool down and be just steeming right.

  • @abitcoinskeptic(75)· 2627d

    Very informative.

    I just wrote my own post where I get lost in thought trying to see how they will all fit together.

    Individually, not so bad. Combined a potential disaster.

    I suspect our voting power will be decreased by over half. We will be forced to curate. Whales will likely still be immune to downvotes.

    We will see a platform where the same people get huge payouts over and over again while everyone else banks secretly off curation hard to notice schemes, or hardly at all.

  • @brianturner(68)· 2627d

    The SPS sounds PERFECT and I really hope it gets accepted and hardforked in. 100% upvote for this post, thanks for breakin everything down!

  • @prydefoltz(75)· 2627d

    The number one reason people don't curate more is not bidbots, it is the limited TIME in the day. Unless engagement is directly linked to payment, nothing is going to change. Link rewards to engagement and not just SP. The situation will be ameliorated. People will do what is in their financial best interest. If they need to do some curating to get their payout, they will make time for it.

    A 50/50 split only has you adding more to the same baskets and taking it away from the people who are actually engaging on the platform.

    And let's be real. The downvote pool will change nothing. There is no way a little fish is going to downvote a dolphin or whale regardless of the lack quality to their post. But it does mean that bigger fish can now bully little fish for free.

    Please don't go through with this hardfork, you 'll be cutting our growth off at the knees.

  • @wakeupnd(69)· 2627d

    Seems kind of lame that witnesses aren't taking a pay cut too to fund this SPS project. They should be taking a 15% pay cut too if this is going to increase the value of Steem and benefit them. Why put all the burden on content creators?

  • @johneyreacko(63)· 2627d

    By making downvotes free will their impact still be the same? We could be unleashing much larger flag wars

  • @thedegensloth(60)· 2627d

    Very good post, But to be more clear this should be seen as an investment by the community. This will help secure the chain and allow us to get forks out quicker and add features we feel we would like to add.

    As for the investment of inflation, most of this will likely be paid by bots and whales since they already get a large amount of the payout. The average users will pay little in comparison to the whales and bots who will need to pay there fair share to the development of the chain instead of only bleeding the chain.

    Many people complain about steemit taking to long to do things as well. This lowers this dependency and will hope our chain to become more competitive instead of slowly losing its ranks. Steem can no longer afford to be the taker chain. We need to give back some to make sure we can secure our chains future.

  • @thecryptodrive(70)· 2627d

    This is the best post so far, I have linked it in the forum for archive and reference purposes https://neosteem.com/topics/thecryptodrive/tokenbb-topic-best-hf21-summary-posts-1560989821199

  • @jumps(61)· 2627d

    Much better understanding article and more normies friendly like me 😑.. thank you for the information regarding upcoming HF.

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  • @martie7(62)· 2627d

    Great well written post! Thanks. I just put it here.

    A serious attempt at repairing the STEEM Economic Improvement Proposal (eip) for HF21

    I think we have alternative.

  • @ganjafarmer(76)· 2627d

    Some crazy days ahead. Now I'll also nail go the woods for a few more days. Let's see the new world!

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  • @carlgnash(71)· 2627d

    Man I hope this HF gets rejected. Not holding out high hopes for that of course. Why does an obviously beneficial thing (worker proposal system, although funding it from reward pool instead of from vesting interest is... beyond stupid) have to get bundled up with something that at best is a "try it and see if it works" and is actually more likely a "terrible for everyone except bid bot users and delegators/owners" (honestly, we don't have to "wait and see" what behavior changes will come - an incremental incentive to "good behavior" that still doesn't even come close to matching the rewards possible from delegating to bid bots will not have any appreciable change in user behavior - that is basic game theory, we can say with 100% certainty that the vast majority of people will still choose the most self-benefiting course of action, which is still not aligned with anything like behavior we would like to see. Interestingly this will likely drive even more people to delegate to bid bots as there is no risk of downvotes to a delegator there as opposed to self voting, and the new reward curve ensures that you have to use a bid bot unless you are a huge investor to begin with, otherwise you lose out). Gah.

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  • @coininstant(69)· 2627d

    Oh Wow, I did not realize it was going to be like a go fund me for steemit! Sounds good to me! Thanks for posting the human readable version!

    I don’t know about all the little details and intricacies, however if it doesn’t work i’m sure we can just keep evolving it. Won’t be the end of the world if it does not work!

  • @smooth(74)· 2627d

    Excellent explanations.

  • @riverflows(82)· 2627d

    Book marking and sharing with posse. Cheers love. Still digesting and forming opinion..

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  • @dana-edwards(75)· 2627d

    Your post is much better. It explains SPS but still I think SPS needs to have a mechanism where it always produces something profitable.

  • @dronegraphica(64)· 2627d

    I've read a few on HF21 and this has been the most informative. Thanks for laying it out like this!

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  • @abh12345(80)· 2627d

    This post contains an excellent explanation of the EIP and its main factors. Bravo :)

  • @chesatochi(73)· 2627d

    I start to feel real negativity with this hard fork and I believe it will not be accepted in the current form.

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