#steem

Why Did We Choose This Path?

Our chain was dying but the tech and social aspects had potential. A top crypto figure with a lot of pull comes in and invests big. We break our own DPOS rules to pre emptively fuck him in the ass because of some shit ned may or may not have promised. The guy we fucked over didn't even know what hit him and had to resort to calling in big favors to defend his own stake. Now he wants out. In this process we piss him off, lose most of the devs, break our own dpos rules, piss off 3 big exchanges, lose the domain name, add about 70-100m of selling pressure and most of the stakeholders seem to be patting themselves on the back.

Even before all of this, left to our own devices we were trading at a solid 12-15c.

Sigh, you couldn't make this shit up.

Now I must be completely fucking mental because I feel most of the community and existing stakeholders sort of went out of their own way to fuck ourselves. Why did it play out this way?

Comments · 168

@mortezayousefi(67)· 66d
looking back now do you think there was a realistic compromise that could have avoided the split or had things already gone too far by that point
@shortsegments(78)· 106d
Hi @trafalgar I recently authored a proposal to create a lending facility on hive and I would appreciate it if you could take a look and both give feedback and consider supporting it. Thanks
@shortsegments(78)· 111d
Hi @smooth Please read the one paragraph introduction and one page executive summary of my Proposal #374 HiveComunityBank and I would appreciate it if you could consider supporting the proposals 71 day trial. : Link Thank you.
@solorzanot(65)· 111d
it's a very tough but necessary reflection on how emotional decisions on the blockchain can have real financial consequences
@offgridlife(74)· 160d
If we had let Steem convert to TRON we would be up 14,000 % now. Retired. Living in Italy.

Oh well ….
@kingsleyy(75)· 193d
Hello, good day. @trafalgar I hope you are doing well, and I hope this message meets you well.

I have seen how big and supportive you have been to the blockchain, and I decided to seek your support for The Comedy Club community. It is a community created to bring people who love to laugh and share humour together. Currently, the growth has been crawling, and it needs support such as HP delegation, a community curator, or any other way you deem fit to help.

There was no recommendation for messaging you directly; I just saw your impact and decided to try my luck by reaching out personally as one of the admins of the community. We can discuss on Discord (my handle @ kingsleyy0007) if you are comfortable with that, or we can continue here or through the private chat section.

Thank you very much, and I await your positive response. Also, if you are unable to offer a helping hand at the moment, I completely understand. Please do not feel bad about it.

Once again, Thank You🫶
@encuentro(71)· 235d
saludos
@veosine(1)· 305d
“Stock exchanges India, Hong Kong, and Australia Feel the Impact of the US–China Trade War”
@onyiigift(53)· 329d
The action taken, was indeed a fast action to be precised. Why use their user coins to govern the block chain? Maybe is for reasons best known to them. I salute you.
@cryptomasthan(51)· 332d
Hello 👋 I’m new to the Hive family and still learning my way around. While going through posts, I found this one of yours, and I can see how much impact you’ve already created here — so many people have engaged with your content. That itself shows you’ve been a strong pillar in this community.

As a newcomer, I really want to learn from experienced people like you, so that one day I can also contribute and support others in the same way. If you don’t mind, it would be great to see you share some fresh posts again — I’m sure many of us would benefit and get inspired.

I believe Hive grows stronger when we support each other, and I’d be happy to be a small part of that. Looking forward to learning from you and growing together as part of this family 🌱✨.
@cryptomasthan(51)· 332d
Hello 👋 I’m new to the Hive family and still learning my way around. While going through posts, I found this one of yours, and I can see how much impact you’ve already created here — so many people have engaged with your content. That itself shows you’ve been a strong pillar in this community.

As a newcomer, I really want to learn from experienced people like you, so that one day I can also contribute and support others in the same way. If you don’t mind, it would be great to see you share some fresh posts again — I’m sure many of us would benefit and get inspired.

I believe Hive grows stronger when we support each other, and I’d be happy to be a small part of that. Looking forward to learning from you and growing together as part of this family 🌱✨.
@cryptomasthan(51)· 332d
Hello 👋 I’m new to the Hive family and still learning my way around. While going through posts, I found this one of yours, and I can see how much impact you’ve already created here — so many people have engaged with your content. That itself shows you’ve been a strong pillar in this community.

As a newcomer, I really want to learn from experienced people like you, so that one day I can also contribute and support others in the same way. If you don’t mind, it would be great to see you share some fresh posts again — I’m sure many of us would benefit and get inspired.

I believe Hive grows stronger when we support each other, and I’d be happy to be a small part of that. Looking forward to learning from you and growing together as part of this family 🌱✨.
@itsmejustine(65)· 412d
Hiii I'm new to this community. I hope you can support my upcoming blog🫶🫶🫶
@belalh00(44)· 426d
Hey @trafalgar, If you're caught up with your daily routine, would you be open to delegating your Hive Power (HP) to me for a few days? I’m looking to boost my HP and support some new users during this time. If you have any questions, feel free to reach out to me on Instagram: @belalh82.

Thanks a lot!
@belalh00(44)· 427d
Hey @trafalgar, if you're busy with your daily routine, would you consider delegating your HP to me for a few days? I’m looking to increase some HP power on my account. Feel free to connect with me on Instagram — @belalh82.
@melodyguitar(57)· 447d
Hello please how do I pay to get upvotes
@raymondelaparra(69)· 454d
Excellent @trafalgar72
@amjadsharif(68)· 478d
Can you guide me to writing blogs on the hive platform, and give me some tips that can promote my posts.
@theghost1980(70)· 480d
🎉 ¡Hola @trafalgar Bienvenido/a a HIVE 🎉
Soy theghost1980, te felicito por tu participación y compromiso con esta increíble comunidad.

Como parte de una iniciativa personal, te he inscrito en el programa:

🔹 Hive Stake Based Income (Hive SBI)

🧪 Un experimento social que busca ofrecer una renta básica voluntaria financiada por crowdfunding, para beneficiar a tantos usuarios de Hive como sea posible.
👥 Los miembros participan patrocinando a otros, y el beneficio se entrega en forma de upvotes regulares en sus publicaciones.

🧩 Esta iniciativa forma parte de la comunidad Synergy Builders. Pensamos, desarrollamos software y mejoramos la calidad de la web3.
👉 Si te interesa construir, colaborar o aprender sobre Web3, ¡te invitamos a unirte!

🔍 Revisa tu información aquí
^{(la información se actualiza unas 3 horas después de tu inscripción)}

ENGLISH VERSION
🎉 Greetings @trafalgar Welcome to HIVE 🎉 I am theghost1980, Congrats on being part of this amazing community.
As part of a personal initiative, I’ve added you to the following program:

🔹 Hive Stake Based Income (Hive SBI)

🧪 A social experiment to provide a voluntary basic income funded by crowdfunding to as many Hivers as possible.
👥 Members participate by sponsoring others. The benefit is delivered through regular upvotes on member content.

🧩 This initiative is part of the Synergy Builders community. We think, build software, and improve the quality of web3.
👉 If you're into building, collaborating, or learning about Web3 — we’d love to have you on board!

🔍 Check your info here
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@chinito(73)· 496d
oh wow, do u still feel hive made a big mistake? what about now? will hive survive the upcoming decade?

thanks for this post and any advice u can give me. 😎👊
@itsmejeffry(59)· 548d
Hello @trafalgar how to be qualified of your vote po. Is there any requirements? Thank you
@raymondelaparra(69)· 565d
@trafalgar72 congratulation
@theleader07(51)· 572d
Excelente hermano @trafalgar aunque no entiendo mucho el tema pero con tus post voy aprender 😎 bendiciones 🙏
@marieyanlab(67)· 615d
woah, this just sucks 😔
@shortsegments(78)· 636d
Hi @trafalgar The community and leadership of Inleo (Leofinance) @khaleelkazi and team have linked Hive to Thorchain via a listing of a wrapped version of Leo on Arbitrum, which has opened up opoortinities for cross chain collaboration and cross pollination with others chains and their communities.

The first fruit of this work, years in the making, has been the return of the Dash Community to Hive, with posting of content by @thedessertlinux and @dashpay which started a few months ago. Today the dev team from @mayaprotocol announced they were posting content on Inleo, a community on Hive.

I always remember this post of your lamenting the potential huge opportunity that Justin Sun represented for Steemit.

And I thought perhaps you would be interested in these efforts by Inleo to reach out, across blockchains and grow Hive by bonding with communities which need the main thing we have to offer, and well developed platform to publish and store content.

I don't have know how much time or interest you have to contribute to Hive right now, we all have busy lives and priorities. But if you do have time, I hope you can encourage these interactions between @mayaprotocol and Dash with hive / Inleo.

Here are some links of the activity by Dash:

https://inleo.io/threads/view/dashpay/re-leothreads-fenlysfd?referral=dashpay

https://inleo.io/threads/view/dashpay/re-leothreads-fenlysfd?referral=dashpay

Dash on Maya here....

https://inleo.io/threads/view/thedessertlinux/re-leothreads-28z6t66ck?referral=thedessertlinux

https://inleo.io/threads/view/dashpay/re-leothreads-39mf99ge8?referral=dashpay

Maya account

https://inleo.io/profile/mayaprotocol

I will delegate them some HivePower because the maynot have taken a dive into Hive yet... But it's nice to get some free advertising from them on X..

Thank you for your time. If you have any questions about Inleo, www.leodex.io the DEX @khaleelkazi built or the Dash Hive integration please free to contact me and I will do my best to provide answers or find someone who can answer.

Happy Holidays ! @shortsegments
@arieswilly(72)· 676d
Have a nice day my friend
@sacra97(77)· 763d
Thanks you
@crazy-mermaid(42)· 781d
Please support me
@fixyetbroken(66)· 785d
Good evening.😊
@theringmaster(67)· 794d
Wow I'm a bit new here but I'm starting to understand things better for reading this 🤔
@juwel11(59)· 882d
I am a small user working with big hope. One day I will stand beside everyone like you and try to take everyone to a higher level. I don't know how to work to win your hearts and get your support. I draw new pictures and share them with you with the hope that when I will be recognized as a hard worker in the eyes of a curator like you, I don't know when that day will come, but I am trying with this hope. Thank you for all the work. @trafalgar
@ricardo21(13)· 891d
Your introspection prompts us to consider our own journeys. Thanks for sharing your insights and wisdom
@fatemehsohrabiii(63)· 941d
Hi.I have noticed your power to get visibility in a post.Be honest and honest.Could you support me to get more visibility?🙏🙏🙏🙏
@cositav(73)· 947d
Hello, I am learning about this world of cryptocurrencies, soon I will learn more about these topics and I will be able to give a more accurate opinion.
@cositav(73)· 947d
Guaooo leyendo esto me doy cuenta que tengo muchas cosas que aprender, estoy en eso , pronto me moverme con más confianza en este mundo de criptomonedas
@weiliyu(67)· 951d
看样子，大哥的心情很糟糕。我还是溜了。
@pocketechange(74)· 952d
I sure would like to read your opinion of my"Fined Tuned" version of the coming U.S. Monetary Correction... I have at least 1,000 posts, looking at my version from every possible angle...
@mattsanthonyit(81)· 964d
@trafalgar happy New Year 🎊🎊🕛🎊. More positive energy with more investment
@mosupholstery(67)· 965d
Happy new year and new month boss
@mattsanthonyit(81)· 1117d
God bless you for me and your entire family members. Amen. You will never suffer by God's Grace. Amen. Thanks for listening to my cry for help and support. @trafalgar
@pocketechange(74)· 1120d
As per "my version" of the coming U.S. Monetary Correction, I figure our Common U.S. Coinage will "out-perform" Silver, Gold and all the Cryptocurrencies...
@hivekings(62)· 1130d
Hey king! We need you, you're a such valuable member of the HIVE community and we need your help to bring the most advanced NFT market to HIVE that will integrate all the games and offer a new level experience to the NFT traders on all our blockchain. We're running a proposal and your vote is necessary to reach the goal. Thanks in advance king!
@chrisrice(68)· 1202d
Hi @trafalgar,

I have not seen you post anything since the Hive fork but our project launched shortly after that.

https://peakd.com/proposals/263

The above proposal explains a lot and I'm interested in any and all support.

Best wishes to you and the part of earth you reside on.. thank you.
@richard84(13)· 1254d
I'm new to the hive, I'm trying to post about my daily life. Can you please check the quality of my post?
@creativemary(76)· 1337d
I wish you a wonderful Christmas, an awesome 2023 and I want to thank you for supporting my blog , it has meant a lot!
@professur(51)· 1342d
@trafalgar is there a way i can get in contact with you through twitter ?
@prodege1(25)· 1367d
As it's potentially good
@dreemit(73)· 1407d
Hey there. So I am plagued by having a long memory and a few years back I know I gave you some crap in a private chat about not helping more people out. I can blame alcohol, and yeah I'd had a few beers, but I wanted to say- I'm sorry, that wasn't my place. It's no one's business but yours what you do with your stake. Also it's awesome that you have been lifting people like the one I specifically mentioned up for a long time now:)

(I know you gave me a vote awhile back- which I didn't really deserve from you, so thanks for that too)

I miss your funny, relatable blogs. It's not lip service, I looked forward to them.. I bet if you wrote one now and again they would blow up :0)

Hope you're well!
@yruek(56)· 1408d
lol
@katirayo(63)· 1414d

Now I must be completely fucking mental because I feel most of the community and existing stakeholders sort of went out of their own way to fuck ourselves. Why did it play out this way?

This is a tricky tricky questions but I feel they were trying to play smart.
@zafar82(57)· 1436d
I salute your achievements and your guidance is very impressive
@bo022(65)· 1509d
😊
@davideazul(69)· 1536d
Oh, I'm a bit of a stranger to the subject you're dealing with here. I just wanted to thank you for the constant support you give to Hive artists, we really appreciate it.
@schmidi(74)· 1560d
I think the most important why ist with "Fun, Love and the right Community" to grow on the chain. To look forward with a strong peaceful community. Greets from Austria
@rhdipu(25)· 1580d
nice
@filmmaking4hive(68)· 1615d
Hey @Trafalgar, thanks for voting on our posts, I see you were part of the events with the Steem split, are you on discord or telegram? it would be great to pick your brain!
@cool08(68)· 1641d
Most people must have bad way of dealing and to turn them down, the best way is to fuck them up. The fact remains that this is not a better way to pursue someone like that. Although, since the chain was dying, someone would have been there to revive it and make it stand and also there should be a notice to all those who are using the chain to remain pipe-low until all is being put in place.
@paulavg(55)· 1650d
Someone need to say it thank you!
@luba555(59)· 1651d
ciao @trafalgar piacere di conoscerti ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
@emmaba1(65)· 1656d
Well, I just joined Hive recently so I don't know much about steem. But I can see that what happened to steem hurts you and I'm sorry about that
@kenechukwu97(74)· 1656d
Hello @trafalgar, your comment section is buzzing. Heheh. Unfortunately, I don't know any other way to contact you so, I will leave my message here and hope for a feedback.

Do you realise that you have some combined $33k worth of 'dormant' blurt power over here & here?

Instead of having it dormant, please delegate those Blurt power to onchain-curator over there. It's a manual Curation personally projected by me to support deserving content creators.

Having that delegation would be a life changing opportunity to use it and consistently support quality content creators from different part of the world. The project starts there because the token is not as expensive as some others and I've seen some talented people over there who are ready to grow with the right guidance and support.

As the project grows, I will also look towards expansion.

I would be glad to have a Convo with you and tell you more about how I intend to run the project. Everything starts on Monday, officially regardless of the stakes I manage to get between now and then.

Thanks @trafalgar. Thank You.
@sshila(65)· 1683d
Dear sir need your support. I love do art,recipe post. If you see my blog I hope you will be satisfied.
@admiralsp(60)· 1722d
It's been long you made any post. I hope you are fine. season greetings to you.
@yuyu-arts(64)· 1727d
I hope you are always healthy sir, God bless you always
@stef1234(60)· 1731d
hmm, impressive
@petrarodriguez(71)· 1732d
saludos amigo, le invito visitar mi blog
@omarrojas(75)· 1734d
I am writing to you from the Bolivar state in Venezuela, to express esteem, my sincere thanks for the positive assessment you have made of my publication today, November 23, 2021, for which this attitude commits me to continue making better publications about yoga, whose Practice has given me beautiful moments at Hive and it has been very important for my health. Sincere thanks dear @trafalgar. Successes
@petrarodriguez(71)· 1745d
espero se encuentre bien amigo, saludos desde venezuela, espero su visita
@tosmart(49)· 1783d
Greetings @trafalgar i bring to your notice about the brief challenges i am facing,i need to pay up my tuition fees but am seriously in shades of emptiness,my all intension was to power down but my hp isnt enough to settle the current issues i am facing sincerely speaking your assistance would go a long way.

I made a post with details on that issue heres the links https://hive.blog/hive-168869/@tosmart/a-cry-for-assistance-and-a-need-of-help-to-clear-up-my-tuition-fee-which-has-been-pending-all-help-won-t-be-taken-for-granted
@asif1234(49)· 1825d
Please help me. Check out my post. And please support me.

My post link
@zaxan(67)· 1834d
how are you? i need some small help from you i have a proposal on proposal system we get 100% approval but need almost that HP to get funded Supplemental funding #4 for HBD stabilizer is taking all the part on proposal system frowning so... our proposal can get funded most of witness help us but need a small help can you consider vote to get funded this 50 days? https://peakd.com/me/proposals/187
@sunnyag(64)· 1878d
I am on this site for almost 7 months but wasn't active so yet to learn the ropes. I hope I shall be a little more active now and see what's going around. Thanks for everything!
@sacra97(77)· 1886d
Gracias @trafalgar Thank you very kind for the support
@ayeshagul(51)· 1901d
Nice post sir , pleas support me
@jesicamoonroe(60)· 1903d
Dear @trafalgar may I ask you something?
@luistova(52)· 1921d
Thank you for supporting my work. 👍🏽
@jeffandhisguitar(68)· 1961d
Thanks for the support Trafalgar. Made my day man :) Cheers.
@alanmirza(61)· 1975d
hello dear, how are u ?
@mattsanthonyit(81)· 1989d
This was a great huge question for the lit
@improv(73)· 2022d
Nearly a year into the existence of Hive/Peakd, how are you feeling about the two chains?
@crypto.piotr(65)· 2034d
Dear @trafalgar

I've been wondering - is there any way I could contact you directly and DM you? Perhaps telegram or discord?

If you do not feel comfortable sharing your account details, then maybe I could ask you to drop me a message?

You could find me on discord by joining our PH community server (https://discord.gg/uWMJTaW) or directly: crypto.piotr#3426

I would appreciate, Yours, Piotr
@shahinaubl(73)· 2070d
Thank you 🙏🙏
@diem(25)· 2091d
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@tobywalter(71)· 2128d
Happy Sunday to you friend
@dilimunanzar(72)· 2154d
Hello Traf

I want to say "Thank you very much" for the last few months you have helped me and my friends in Indonesia about curating our original content work.

The support you have provided has motivated me and many friends in Indonesia to continue to do power up on Hive blockchain.

But for now we can no longer contribute to OCD caused some of their rules there, and I want to invite you to continue for support us in Indonesia through Indonesian Hive Community and that is if you wish.

From my heart, Thank you so much my friend 🙏🙏
@suffgrace(59)· 2160d
@Trafalgar @traf I saw your checks on my post recently and I just want to say a big Thank you and if I can get your discord name but I know has a whale you may try to distant yourself from hungry minnows but anyways Thanks a lot. I appreciate
@youngwild(58)· 2181d
Yes, i like your mind
@koreaminer(70)· 2196d
thanks you~^^
@koreaminer(70)· 2196d
thanks you~^^
@petrarodriguez(71)· 2199d
amigo muchas gracias por su voto,espero contar con el siempre para ayudarme,soy venezolana y me las estoy viendo muy feas para comprar que comer porque todo muy caro y no tengo dinero ni trabajo,gracias y ayudeme,saludos y mil bendiciones
@fikrul-alchand(45)· 2209d
Good job broo
@mehmetfix(71)· 2210d
Thank you for everything. @trafalgar
@kasna(61)· 2210d
I really salute you Mr. @trafalgar you are a good person and you also help many people who need it, I am very happy to find you here, I hope you are fine and always healthy ,,
@crysis(68)· 2213d
@trafalgar Thnks for supports Boss :)
@ayopeju(67)· 2216d
Thanks for the support sir. Gracias 💯 💯
@rahmatulyaa24(56)· 2220d
Really love it
@kasna(61)· 2221d
Hi sir we are you
@aamizone(49)· 2227d
I got the idea of how steem and hive differs in the past 5 days.

So you were writing this post in seemit, and it got published here? What is the play you see in here? I am new and doesnt know more about it.
@rahmatulyaa24(56)· 2243d
Learn me to be smart like you in esteem
@mattsanthonyit(81)· 2251d
We want more of you. Love your hard work here in this lovely progressing Community of Crypto World 💯💯
@hivebuzz(74)· 2253d
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You distributed more than 67000 upvotes. Your next target is to reach 68000 upvotes.

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@rizasukma(68)· 2257d
Some people at HIVE are still lucky because there are still people with a social mind like you here. I collected steams and are now lying on a steemit account. Range between nearly 2000000 steems. I piled steem very long there but now only see it, do not know what to do. Now I am active in HIVE, resuming posting as usual. But my post was very sad without anyone caring. Now I hope for a little support from you. I want to develop in HIVE. Because at this time almost lost enthusiasm in making posts. Sorry if I am wrong..
@pizzapai(67)· 2269d
Thank you for your support!
@pudin1(50)· 2273d
hello boss. i am a beginner here. I'm very happy if the boss wants to be friends with me.
@pudin1(50)· 2273d
hello boss. i am a beginner here. I'm very happy if the boss wants to be friends with me.
@mattsanthonyit(81)· 2280d
This is a very long term question. It need a technical knowledge and experience to answer it well.
@mattsanthonyit(81)· 2299d
I chose this path because it inspired me to invest more.
@tatiana21(68)· 2303d
Thank you so much for supporting me 💖 Im so happy 😊
@tatiana21(68)· 2307d
Thank you so much 😊😊😊
@icedrum(70)· 2308d
Great post - extremely interesting ... I wish I knew the answer! HUGE thanks for your support on my Mother Earth News post - deeply appreciated bro!

Keep well =D
@josehany(80)· 2308d
Thank you! @trafalgar
@naturecreations(63)· 2312d
Thank you for your support @trafalgar ❤
@sidwrites(69)· 2341d
Hi Trafalgar,

Are you still here?

Things are looking BRIGHT on the other side!
@lourdeshd6(68)· 2344d
@trafalgar Thank you very much for the support, it means a lot that the work you do with so much love and effort is rewarded.😊
@stellabelle(76)· 2349d
now we move to Hive.
@leveuf(64)· 2357d
At least authors still have a great opportunity for creation and interactions, hope it remain so! Thanks for your recent support, @Trafalgar, it's much appreciated!! Best winds for every project!!
@edgarare1(68)· 2357d
I don’t care everything right now, the powerful stakeholders never show any support when the community is asking for help.

But now those powerful people came to the community and asking for help. And the response was tremendously successful.

All the sheep came and show all the support to them, just for what..? Nothing at all..!! Those powerful people are more powerful because of the community..!!

Just look into my profile and see how many powerful stakeholders Vote my content..!! That’s my answer..!!

At the final I showed my support as well..!! Have a great time @trafalgar

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@steemitboard(66)· 2359d
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You got more than 7250 replies. Your next target is to reach 7500 replies.

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@trendotoken(59)· 2361d
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@steemmatt(71)· 2361d
As someone who was influential/all over the EIP proposal to allow larger stakeholders to sit back and upvote for curation ROI, to what extent were you involved in the process to combat this outcome? I saw no post or comments, so I presume that engagement was on Slack or Discord? If none, your views and influence would've been greatly appreciated over the last couple of weeks.
@chireerocks(75)· 2362d
@trafalgar, I don't know what is right or wrong but one thing i can feel and that is, Steem Community is moving ahead more strongly than ever. Let's hope for the best and stay blessed.

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@joythewanderer(81)· 2362d
Because JS is an arrogant shill, he sees steem and us as properties and as part of his speculation pump and dump plan. Because, just like JS, Ned is a worthless scammer.
@kingscrown(82)· 2362d
interesting.
@jrcornel(82)· 2362d
Well said.
@arcange(79)· 2363d
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@raycoms(71)· 2363d
I 100% agree that this purchase definitely turned out the worst way possible. However, we can not give this fault to the community.

From the beginning he was spreading hostile statements (Swapping STEEM for some Tron token and taking all dApps to Tron) even after making contrary statements shortly before.

During all this time, not being open at all to communicate openly with our community to find out what he is up to.

Thus, either he is strongly incompetent or actually hostile.

As a defensive measure witnesses froze the stake to avoid having him vote in witnesses (although I do agree that I would've supported only excluding him from voting witnesses).

Finally, he completely took this to the next level and used exchange funds to vote in centralized witnesses (which could easily result in the death of Steem) just to secure his funds (which were only frozen, never removed).

So, he put himself in this predicament.

In my opinion the best we can get out of this is true decentralization either by having him out of the game and financing development for the ex-steemit employees through the SPS or by opening a new chain after he took over with the exchanges another time to impose his immediate powerdown schedule.

I feel it is highly irresponsible of you to not vote any of the witnesses that are fighting for days trying to protect this chain from the takeover.
@cadawg(70)· 2363d
Removed. It's good to have a discussion.
@lordbutterfly(80)· 2363d
What is your goal even here? You want him to exert absolute power? You want him to let his exchange buddies get out in 24 hours after what they did? You want him to EXIT and dump all the Steem tokens from Steemit.inc?

I really dont get it..

Our end game is to lift up the chain and get the best out of all this. Your end game seems to be to get it all burned to the ground just so you can make a statement over the SF.
@philipkavan(57)· 2363d
He tried to take over in a unfair way.Why are you not considering that?He has no respect to our community.He attacked us,not we attacked him.
@lordbutterfly(80)· 2363d
I cant honestly believe youre supporting someone colluding with exchanges to subvert the governance of our chain and that now wants to exert complete control over Steem.

Im extremely dissapointed.
@jaki01(77)· 2363d
I partly agree and expressed similar thoughts in a comment under my last post.

And thanks a lot for your efforts in the slack!
@kamilason(64)· 2363d
Kindergarten
@theabsolute(65)· 2363d
I think everyone freaked out because it seemed like the blockchain was just going to be migrated over to Tron and become some sort of centralized dapp.
@jeffjagoe(77)· 2363d
"top crypto figure" c'mon... I really don't care who it is, I'm not going to let someone come in and buy out the top witness positions so they can do what they want with the chain.

"Even before all of this, left to our own devices we were trading at a solid 12-15c." the price of a highly inflationary currency like STEEM is not relevent. Especially with the mass sell-offs from Steemit Inc. in the past. Lots of promising projects were breaking ground despite the price, the price is a bad way to judge what was happening on the chain.

and yes, @ned had no right to sell Steemit's stake as his own personal cash
@ew-and-patterns(71)· 2363d
You are aware of the 100M ninjamined steem that will likely enter the market at some point. That's probably not avoidable anymore if he wants out and we don't just fork out his stake. It will drop steem below 1 cent, thats for sure. You are not a poor guy and can profit from that. Once his steem is in the hands of others, we can start new, no legacy issues left... time to moon.

That only takes one thing... More time than we want it to take.
@transisto(75)· 2363d
Did you manage to swap your token to TRX already? as was announced on first day of purchasing STINC.

They said if you don't your token on STEEM chain will be rendered worthless.

Given the leverage the STINC website has and the quality of the team, I think it was worth easily 15m$. Tokens came with string attached and you've been here long enough to know that.
@whatsup(76)· 2364d
Plenty of people disagreed with how it was handled they just didn't get an opportunity to express a point of view.

then we moved straight to... "What's done is done".

It's a very interesting situation.
@theguruasia(69)· 2364d
@traf, I agree & disagree! @justinsunsteemit has/had no idea what STEEMIT. He played his game and we are too. I like this decentralization & I hate exchanges who are abusing our funds to control blockchains. That was a very damn thing by abusing customer funds. (A type of fraud) @justinsunsteemit still have a chance to build this chain, if not something will happen, sometimes it can be a good thing for all of us! So, I wish you might help the community witnesses at this point. Because you are one of largest stakeholder of STEEM chain and I wish you might get the right decision as always! $trdo

Cheers~
@bil.prag(76)· 2364d
i had no idea what he bought. and he thought he bought everything, so did not care to make few calls. If the meeting happened few days after he bought non of this would happen. I we are to believe that he does not want to rule it is easy. he makes a signed contract of planned development and use of his stake, and we continue.
@preparedwombat(79)· 2364d

We break our own DPOS rules

We did nothing of the sort. This is a republic. Our elected representatives came to a consensus (that’s what witnesses DO) after trying to communicate with an unresponsive Sun.
@nonameslefttouse(77)· 2364d
Because fucktarded.
@clumsysilverdad(65)· 2364d
i never really understand wtf is going on around here. some day someone will have to write the definitive book on this history of steem. it will probably sell 137 copies (sigh). ty
@daudimitch(65)· 2364d
That's the biggest question I have for the folks wishing to maintain their control of the chain because that precisely what this is about.

Are they willing to invest money, Steem has been a shitshow for content creators, its just witnesses and devs who earn anything from here for the last couple months. This kind of relationship could not go on forever, something had to break. They should have allowed Justin the opportunity to get things moving again
@luca1777(69)· 2364d
A Blockchain Soap Opera :)
@liberosist(72)· 2364d
I think the witnesses got complacent and didn't fully understand the influence Justin Sun holds - as you correctly point out, he's a top crypto figure. I had been warning everyone since the announcement that he owns Poloniex and is in bed with Binance. A lot of Steemians will retroactively argue that, "See! This is why they did it!", but that makes no sense. I don't believe much of what Justin Sun says, but I do believe him when he says he has no interest in governance and only did this to defend his assets.

Witnesses will also argue that it was a defensive move, but censoring millions of dollars worth of fairly purchased assets is as aggressive as it gets, temporary or not.

In the end, what should have really happened is a diplomatic agreement between the witnesses, stakeholders and Justin Sun. Instead, the witnesses fired shots first, and now we have war.

To be clear, Justin Sun's ( and exchanges') methods have been absoutely despicable, but the dude probably spent a couple dozen million, you can totally see why he would fight tooth and nail to get it back.

The best case scenario right now is to release Justin's 75 million with an emergency hard fork with a fast power down, he will have no reason to bother with Steem after that. The price is going to be suppressed in the medium term, but it'll finally lift the shadow over the ninja-mine long term.
@eirik(69)· 2364d
He always wanted to get out - in profit obviously.

https://steemit.com/steem/@ura-soul/justin-sun-conversation-with-witnesses-is-online-ned-sold-out-the-community-failed-to-disclose
@stoodkev(72)· 2364d
EDIT : Sorry, I got emotional and stupid =p Just hope we can all make it out of this alive.
@mindtrap(75)· 2364d
Now imagine this:

Our witnesses didn’t take any action, and he executed his brilliant plan. Token swap...would you want that? Because he would. I guess you wouldn’t have a choice...Just like that all of your 1mill+SP would be gone...

Now you do have one. Why on earth would you trade your 1 mill+ SP for tons of worthless TRX? I mean you are free to do so but I highly doubt you will...

As soon as he understood that he shouldn’t have tweeted all this shit (his plan so to speak) and started giving empty promises, it was already too late. He was exposed.

The good thing is we exposed what those 3 exchanges really are too. A bunch of opportunists and gold diggers...

A gang...
@sparkesy43(60)· 2364d
As well intentioned as the Soft fork may have been, it was seen as an act of aggression, and as they say, "a person's perception is their reality".

As a result, we saw a fairly heavy handed retaliatory act. Presumably the pseudo-witnesses had time to rollback the Soft fork and unlock Sun's invested funds, so now we wait and see what happens as the witnesses start to resume their previous positions.

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@roger5120(73)· 2364d
I’ve read and listened more than I talk about this takeover commotion. However, I think if Ned had only consulted the selling with Steemit inc to his staff and witnesses more likely none of these commotions would’ve happened.

I don’t think we can blame the witnesses for freezing his account, and him enlisting support retrieving it. Both sides need to have discussions that they can both agree and/or find some common or mutual agreement that’ll benefit everyone.
@paulag(74)· 2364d
So things go a bit nuts and will remain that way for a few more days if not weeks to come.

I have always loved the idea of steem being the start of web3, a decentralized place where creators and curators had ownerships. Both forks have shown me that a truly decentralised web is a long way off and the content creator will continue to get screwed from a long time to come.
@borislavzlatanov(65)· 2364d
He wanted control over the network. He doesn't want it if it's decentralized.
@bagofincome(64)· 2364d
Maybe we'll become best friends after having a big fight!
@cardboard(65)· 2364d

piss off 3 big exchanges

Oh come on... They used their users coins to governance this blockchain but we are to blame for pissing them off?

Just check what tron is. It's empty, no users, only shitty gambling apps that no one uses. Sun has the money, that's true, but he's not interested in running decentralized blockchain, it's just a buzzword for him. Do you really need to have an owner so much?

Also, once he aquired bittorent, devs from it also all quit. Was it our fault too?

Just do some research about Sun, he's not a type of guy that works with others to build something valuable. It's all about his image of this millionaire-kid and how awesome and rich he is. Also obviously he wants more $$$ and in his mind he can do this only by fully controlling his projects.

To be fair - I can totally understand Justins motivation from his perspective - defending the assets that he legally(!) bought. But it's like he's not compatible with the idea of decentralization.

edit: edited the comment slightly, sorry I was was rude <3 I know that you just want all the best for STEEM.
@pfunk(73)· 2364d
We reached out. Only got more PR filled with indications of deprecating the Steem chain and somehow moving everything over to Tron. Hindsight is 20/20 only if you're looking at everything.
@pangoli(68)· 2364d
What? Lol. He wants out? Just stepping in for the morning. Lol
@edicted(83)· 2364d
Under your leadership, Steemit/Tron would of had all the time in the world to subvert this chain while hiding in the shadows. The soft fork was a great way to see if he was hostile. Not only did he turn out to be hostile, this is the most flagrant attack on decentralization, maybe ever. Good thing the people in charge here know when to take action rather than pussyfoot around. Youre dreaming if you think this known scammer was ever going to help us at thus point.
@steevc(80)· 2364d
It's a shitstorm for sure. I wish people would just talk before taking drastic action. Maybe we can get something out of this in the end, but I hope lessons have been learnt. The Steem technology is okay, but people fuck things up. But then it's people I really care about and we built some cool communities that I'd hate to lose.
@cryptoxicate(69)· 2364d
I take my hat and salute you soldier because it seems just a few of us see things this way, but as we say in my country "tienes la boca llena de razon" ...your mouth is full of truth, what steem witnesses did was terrorism before trying to talk the guy, what JUSTIN AND THE EXCHANGES DID WAS EXTREMELY WRONG TOO and it doenst matter wrong is wrong either if its a big or small fkd up, but the guy try to protect his investment as any other normal human would he pull a few favors and got all the SP he needed, steem witnesses broke their own rules and now we have to vote for them so we can have some what or sort of decentralization because its true that with Justin controlling all 20 top witnesses there is no decentralization but at least with the old top 20 witnesses we are in some what decentralization territory, its a ton of bullshit from both sides but this butt hurt withnessess try to lock Justin up before he even did any moves with the power he bought thats pure terrorism right there, taking hostage someone just because they fear of what may happen even if its good or not just because they guy had that much power
@bashadow(70)· 2364d
I am not sure most of the community was happy with what the witnesses did. There were plenty of post and comments about how they felt it was the wrong thing to do and that it was a knee jerk reaction.

The back lash from Sun/Tron was what has pulled a lot of the community in to try and retake, that which we were told could not happen, back from a single entity. I was not the only one that mentioned the possibility, other did also, we were told it could not happen, it happened.

The social side the small stake holders liked the social side of steem block chain; The investors all they saw was dollar signs in their eye balls like Scrooge McDuck, and the witness saw the potential loss of their control, everyone had their hopes and fears, the social side of more people on steem block chain, the investors lots of money because of one man's name, and the witness, the fear that they could be replaced at a whim.

Now things are slightly different. The social users see steem block chain as being potentially sold off and transitioning to a centralized authority telling them who they can talk to and what they can talk about, the investors see the dollar signs turning from golden glow to blood shedding red as their token of choice is slowly devoured, and the witness while maybe staving off a disaster have lost the respect of many long term steemians and may never regain the trust they lost.

Now I must be completely fucking mental because I feel most of the community and existing stakeholders sort of went out of their own way to fuck ourselves. Why did it play out this way?

My view on the happening.
@markkujantunen(77)· 2364d

We break our own DPOS rules to pre emptively fuck him in the ass because of some shit ned may or may not have promised.

Incorrect. The code to freeze Steemit, Inc's accounts' voting rights was in place but it simply wasn't activated, yet.

Also, the first thing Justin Sun did after he had purchased Steemit, Inc was to announce publicly that he was going to dismantle the blockchain.

Now I must be completely fucking mental because I feel most of the community and existing stakeholders sort of went out of their own way to fuck ourselves. Why did it play out this way?

Because with a single point of failure in charge of everything, there is no point of being a blockchain. There is no censorship resistance and thus no selling point. For scaling reasons, Steemit, Inc could just as well have moved the back end over to a centralized database.
@holybranches(60)· 2364d
You're not making sense.

Justin Sun: We don't want to vote.

Witnesses writes code that prevents them from voting

Justin Sun: NO! We are voting in our witnesses because we don't want to vote!
@daltono(81)· 2364d
Sigh. My ideal outcome is that the Tron team figures out what’s going on and stays locked in with understanding Steem. Sun obviously had interest in Steem when he purchased Steemit. Sure the welcome was rather rough with that soft fork, but perhaps he has thicker skin than we think.

There just needs to be better communication all around.
@meesterboom(81)· 2364d
I don't think enough time was given to establish communications before pulling off the softfork. Which ultimately was seen as an aggressive act. (Because it was.)

From there it all went a bit mental.
@lucylin(72)· 2364d
Something that might put a smile on your face, in the midst of a crisis ...

Steem wars part 1..The Empire has a hissy fit. https://steemit.com/hive-100421/@lucylin/nxkuvibq
@oldtimer(76)· 2364d
Excellent. Finally, someone said it aloud.
@moon32walker(72)· 2364d
When you put it that way... It's just one narrative you can go with. You can also go and say, hey we did kinda fucked ourselves, but we also went more decentralized route and proved the world it can be done, which can bring more eyes and people might realize that we are kinda cool. Time will tell.
@cryptogee(76)· 2364d
Unfortunately none of this surprises me, these actions are truly delusional. They'll be lucky to escape prison.

Cg

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