#steemworld

SteemWorld Support tomorrow ON or OFF?

Before I went to sleep, my SteemWorld Support Proposal was sitting well above the Return Proposal with over 2 million SP distance. Now I woke up and saw that I'm no longer being funded, because @clayop voted for the Return Proposal with ~ 3,6 million SP.

Again and again, I experience that the Proposal System puts way to much pressure on developers and has nothing to do with receiving stable payments. I already lost many days of rewards, mainly, because the Return Proposal is being pushed around without further investigating the consequences and without elaborating which projects/lives could be hit by a single click from a big stakeholder.

I tried many things in my life, worked for many different companies and I have gone through a lot of shit that I don't wish anybody to experience, but never was I hit by something like receiving no earnings for my work in my life.

Do I need to mention that I was able to power up more STEEM in the last few weeks than ever before and I now need to think about starting a Powerdown, because I don't know, if I will receive enough rewards to make it through the next month?

This feeling is what many big stakeholders just don't know, because they do always have some funds for months laying around. In my heart it feels like being dead from one moment to the other while working as usual on the same things as before.

As I stated earlier in a comment:

The main problem is that the Return Proposal was voted way to high, so that hardly anybody who is not working for 'the top' will ever reach/hold the required level. I think that the level around 8-10 million SP should be enough for now to prevent really 'harmful' proposals from getting funded. What currently is mainly being prevented by the Return Proposal is the success of alternative projects on Steem.

Don't get me wrong, I do like the SPS and it would work perfectly for many of us. As the whole world of Steem lost 10% of their vote's value with the last HF to enable having a stable SPS fund, it should be relatively easy to grasp that smaller projects should also have a chance to get funded. There is enough in the SPS pot, so why not using as much as possible to get more things done at the same time?

To make it clear

If you have voted for @gtg's Return Proposal, you are currently preventing me from being able to continue my developments for Steem.

Should I take it from the Posting Rewards Pool or the SPS Fund or should I start a witness node? You decide.

Details about my recent developments will be published soon.

Comments · 50

@sanjeevm(78)· 2473d
@steemchiller , I need some help. Could not find any other way to connect to you, so writing it here. I am creating an account from https://steemworld.org/, I generate the keys , but then when I use Steem Connect, it says the URL is invalid. Can you please assist ?
@contestkings(69)· 2473d
Keep your chin up mate your doing a great job.
@z8teyb289qav9z(70)· 2475d
You fucking suck.
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@inertia(75)· 2476d

I already lost many days of rewards, mainly, because the Return Proposal is being pushed around without further investigating the consequences and without elaborating which projects/lives could be hit by a single click from a big stakeholder.

Maybe stakeholders don’t want to take on the responsibilities of these so-called “consequences.”
@vimukthi(76)· 2476d
I might sound like a broken record:

You Should Start A Witness Node

Making few project updates or anything you like would also allow us to support you with votes. You have a very good chance getting into the Top 20. So please start a witness node.
@luegenbaron(65)· 2477d
Heyho :) Hab mal @freezepeach informiert um deinen Post und deine Kommentare von den Flags zu heilen.. :)
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@investinthefutur(71)· 2478d
@mima2606 denkt du hast ein Vote durch @investinthefutur verdient
@mima2606(72)· 2478d
Bin gespannt, wie es weitergeht! Du hälst uns auf den Laufenden. LG Michael

!invest_vote
@mima2606(72)· 2478d
Do I need to mention that I was able to power up more STEEM in the last few weeks than ever before and I now need to think about starting a Powerdown, because I don't know, if I will receive enough rewards to make it through the next month?

This feeling is what many big stakeholders just don't know, because they do always have some funds for months laying around. In my heart it feels like being dead from one moment to the other while working as usual on the same things as before.

As I stated earlier in a comment:
```
The main problem is that the Return Proposal was voted way to high, so that hardly anybody who is not working for 'the top' will ever reach/hold the required level.
 
I think that the level around 8-10 million SP should be enough for now to prevent really 'harmful' proposals from getting funded. What currently is mainly being prevented by the Return Proposal is the success of alternative projects on Steem.
```
Don't get me wrong, I do like the SPS and it would work perfectly for many of us. As the whole world of Steem lost 10% of their vote's value with the last HF to enable having a stable SPS fund, it should be relatively easy to grasp that smaller projects should also have a chance to get funded. There is enough in the SPS pot, so why not using as much as possible to get more things done at the same time? To make it clear

If you have voted for @gtg's Return Proposal, you are currently preventing me from being able to continue my developments for Steem.

Should I take it from the Posting Rewards Pool or the SPS Fund or should I start a witness node? You decide.

Details about my recent developments will be published soon.
@dexter.newton(37)· 2478d
Good Job Guys keep up the good Work!
@smooth(74)· 2478d

The main problem is that the Return Proposal was voted way to high

No, the problem is that many of the proposals are not that compelling, for example, not open source. There are a number of stakeholders who believe that most work paid for by SPS should be open source to ensure that Steem receives full benefit from the expenditure.

It is not a hard and fast rule (nothing is; everything is up to voters) but it is the number one reason I've heard for why some proposals aren't supported, including yours.
@stef1(71)· 2478d
Hi @steemchiller, thank you for your post and for letting the people know about what is behind "Steemworld" happens. In my opinion, you created amazing program that is used by more than 90% of users of Steem community because of few features:

It reflects democracy and transparency:
- You can see all the action that every user is doing: Upvoting, commenting, sel-upvoting. That feature is used by many curation communities to assess user and decided if he is fair and if he needs to be supported.
- You can see any users no matter if it is the one with no Steem Power or any of "whales" Stakeholders
- There is a good statistic data, you see your new followers, mentioning, that helps you to save time to search for those info.
Developing a program, it is your baby and I can imagine that you want to have your rights for it. I know from my son who is also fan of writing computer programs, he is very aware how easy it is one you showed a program that you developed in internet that could be immediately used and own by someone else who can claim that it was him who created it.

I see that there is a comment of @fundation, that is another opportunity to get financial support of your project.

Another option, if you really decide to go for witness you have my Vote and of my hubby!

There are many people who love your program and we appreciate it. I think even if you decide to charge some amount of Steem for using it, I bet many people will go for that!

Please share your ideas if there is anything we can help you to keep going with your program, we will support you!
@freddio(60)· 2478d
i think we need % votes for SPS.

Because Return Proposal is like a downvote for other project. But maybe you only want to vote 50% for return and 100% for a project.

This should be changed in the future. And solve the barrier for devs.

The system should be efficent in the future.

Imagine if 100 devs would build amazing Stuff. Without % Vote it will never happen.
@freddio(60)· 2478d
it sucks and i hope you get funded again.
@rafalski(66)· 2478d
You want to make living from steemworld but maybe.. possibly.. it is just not possible ith this kind of project?
@chesatochi(73)· 2478d
The SPS is just about influence and power in action.
@abh12345(80)· 2478d
Keep going man. Sadly you wont be able to rely on the SPS, like every other proposal, and if you need to peruse (multiple) other methods to make ends meet I'm confident you'll get support.

I think becoming open source will help and perhaps making that a priority above new features is the best plan for now.

Have a good weekend.
@sco(65)· 2479d
I agree that the return proposal is too high atm.

However, I also think you should start demanding small, rather cosmetic, fees for certain services of your app, like conversions, steem engine toke claiming/staking etc. They can even be too small to really feel them, but would probably add up to a not insignificant sum. Do you run any statistics on what operations are triggered how often via you app?
@fundition(68)· 2479d
At Fundition we really appreciate what Steemworld is bringing to steem. It is by far the best explorer for Steem and we would like to invite you to start a campaign on our platform to gather more support to achieve your goals.

Best regards,

Join a community with heart based giving at its core
Fundition is a non profit project, by supporting it with delegation you are supporting 200+ projects. 50SP 100SP 200SP 500SP 1000SP 2000SP 5000SP 10000SP
@olimiesma(51)· 2479d
If you want my advice,

Do Power Down and leave this platform, it is lost.

They speak open source, use Windows, Office and Adobe xD

They talk about the stock market and don't know how to organize their own business so that it thrives, not to mention the money they have stolen and rob investors

They talk about social network and this is not a social network, nor is it similar, it is rather a badly programmed forum

FaceBook LIBRA will eat them with chips and ketchup

The organization and team of this project has clearly demonstrated opportunism, the dates are clear

Since they cannot sustain themselves, they try to blame others for their incompetence.

All this is clearly seen in the price of STEEM, no investor today and that is serious, who is asked about this platform will say that it is a good platform, company or investment in the short or long term

Seriously, leave this miserable site
@gadrian(76)· 2479d
I might be wrong, but maybe interest on stake escaped controversy so far... None of the other destinations of inflation.

How old is SPS? Two and a half months?

One thing is clear to me and the signal was given from SteemFest: code must be open source to receive funding from SPS.

The two projects which I use should make this a priority: becoming open source. Rather than fighting each other. When people are frustrated they say things they wish they didn't. And some are very good at pushing the right buttons to provoke such reactions.

At the same time, becoming open source doesn't happen over night. If there is a clear track record of improvements (and there is) and a commitment to make the code open source by a reasonable deadline, I don't see why SPS funding shouldn't continue (in the case of SteemWorld proposal) and start (in the case of SteemPeak proposal).
@fredrikaa(74)· 2479d

Should I take it from the Posting Rewards Pool or the SPS Fund or should I start a witness node? You decide.

You should either make Steemworld open-sourced or find your own sustainable business model for your project.

Then you will also have my votes on your posts and proposals.

Edit: Comment upvoted at 5 seconds for visibility, meaning all rewards are returned to the pool.
@stoodkev(72)· 2479d
I ve always tried to support your project through votes and at one point direct donation but I won't support your SPS, mainly for 2 reasons:
- Your project is closed source so it is only beneficial to the community as long as you see fit or able to provide the service.
- You are seldom writing about your progress.
If you would just make the project opensource and show what you re actually doing with the SPS funds, plenty of people will vote for your projects. Cheers!
@lichtblick(77)· 2479d
Oh das ist aber echt nicht schön. Resteemed :-) und pinned post on our FB group.
@felixxx(73)· 2479d
The way things are looking right now, I recommend you post for rewards.

I would also recommend to cooperate with a witness, rather than running a witness node, because that is just another can of worms. But from what I understand, you do not consider this an option, and prefer to work all on your own.

If you want to stay away from chatrooms and meetups that is fine, but it could help with monetization/funding of your projects. Perhaps you need to team up for this too; You could have a far worse product, if you had better marketing/networking, you would make more from it, still.

And lastly: times are tough for steem right now. The price graph looks terrible. When we had funds to distribute, we gave them to all sorts of disloyal golddiggers and now that good projects form, we lack the funds to support those.

Personally, I would recommend you get a different job and to not rely on steem to pay your monthly bills. I wish it was different, but it would seem the most 'grounded' approach to me.

Komm doch mal in den Discord :(
@coffeea.token(58)· 2479d
Lucky you @steemchiller here is your COFFEEA, view all your tokens at steem-engine.com Vote for c0ff33a as Witness
@siphon(69)· 2479d
Ich bin ja nur ein kleiner Fisch... !COFFEEA 5 Hoffen wir das es klappt.
@siphon(69)· 2479d

Should I take it from the Posting Rewards Pool or the SPS Fund or should I start a witness node? You decide.

Wenn du so nah an der Zahlungsunfähigkeit bist würde ich die empfehlen mehr an Dich selbst zu denken. Warum nicht alle Möglichkeiten ausschöpfen die Steem allen bietet?

Deine Arbeit an Steemworld ist vorbildlich. Risikostreuung ist der Punkt um den Du dich jetzt vielleicht mehr kümmern solltest. Es gibt Projekte die laufen entwicklungstechnisch nicht halb so gut, aber bekommen viel Rewards weil sie die Prioritäten auf ökonomischer Seite haben.

Ich finde es absolut legitim das ein verdienter Entwickler wie Du auch einen angemessenen Teil vom Kuchen abbekommt. Nichts ist wertvoller als Fachkräte die eine Sache voranbringen, wer da die Türe zu hält hat was nicht verstanden.
@cwow2(73)· 2479d
So if I vote for another project, it will spread out my SP??
@beerlover(65)· 2479d
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@detlev(82)· 2479d
Hey @steemchiller, your tool deserve any support and I love to chat with you personal on discord about how we may help.

At least a bit of !BEER will be a start.

Your @detlev
@glenalbrethsen(71)· 2479d
Hey, @steemchiller.

I really figured that this would be a slam dunk no brainer.

But then, I'm thinking about the every day STEEM user, the one who's interested in knowing what they're doing statistically, and maybe even others, and to do with it with ease of use.

I'm also thinking about those who appreciate all of the one stop shopping that has been packed into Steemworld without much compensation over the last several months, and certainly since the bear market began. I mean, there's so much that can be done now, and there's even more coming.

I was also thinking that once you were funded, you would stay funded. I didn't know that it was like being a witness where one big account could vote you in or out, or change where you were in line based on voting on something else.

I mean, I think the Return Proposal is a decent enough idea—kind of wonder why it's not just built in to the SPS in the first place, so that the Return Proposal doesn't need to be there doing whatever it is that it does sitting their approved.

So, maybe keep providing updates on top of the SPS? The whole witness thing seems like it could be more of drain on your funds than a help unless you get voted up high enough which seems to be an issue with your no-brainer Steemworld proposal on the SPS.

Why does everything have to be so dang difficult?

What's the point of doing any of this if you can't be constantly funded for the duration of the project?

I appreciate not wanting to fund unnecessary stuff, or things no one uses. Tons of us use steemworld.org, though, and everyone should.

Anyone who cares about posting, commenting or curating, and many other things STEEM-related, that is. :)
@freebornangel(72)· 2479d
How many people vote for proposals and the return proposal? This early, i bet some rshares could come your way.

I bet we get this fixed.
@dandays(73)· 2479d
Https://Steemworld.com is and has been for a long time now one of my favorite tools on Steem. I’m not certain what this thread has to do with Steempeak, I’m a big fan of Steempeak as well. Proposal this, SPS that, look I’ll just be real, I don’t understand that language. If you run a witness, @steemchiller, I will vote for it and, so long as Steemworld is available, it will be my first choice.

What I do understand, however, is the exact.same.names and the exact.same.wallets still bump each other’s garbage to the top while censoring legitimate concerns the community is genuinely interested in reading—some things never change. There’s no hardfork cure for that.

Thank you for all of your hard work @steemchiller.
@mehta(77)· 2479d
You have raised the correct issue of SPC. I like the way. I like most the steemworld.org tool. It is nice and gives details inside under-stable view in steem blockchain. Hope you will continue this service. These distributive things are momentary and not continue in long run. Your raised question for 10% fund in correct. Why not you get something from it, when you can developed /develop good app. Keep doing ....
@michelangelo3(65)· 2479d
Sehr schade, traurig, traurig. Berg- und Talfahrt. Ich hoffe nur, dein Post veranlasst die Propostal-Unterstützer die Sache mehr im Auge zu behalten und du bist bald wieder "drin".
@transisto(75)· 2479d
I'm not voting for it because AFAIK it's made no commitment to open-sourcing.
@revo(62)· 2479d
I agree that the Return Proposal is too high. What's the point of the SPS if barely anything gets funded?
@abitcoinskeptic(75)· 2479d
I vote for your posts, I vote for your proposal and I will probably vote for your witness.

I don't agree with removing my vote from the return proposal but I understand you wanting #clayop to remove his vote for it.

I know at the moment, clayop is really excited about that small proposal for a powerdown change which is #1. Maybe his votes are just temporary to make it stand out?

Perhaps you can encourage him of the importance of Steemworld for koreans and his other interests, too.
@z8teyb289qav9z(70)· 2479d
You fucking suck.
@trincowski(72)· 2479d
Do what you have to do to make ends meet. If you set up a Witness server, I'll support it. If you close the app and make it available only for subscribers, I'll support it, too.

Thanks for all of your hard work, it's highly appreciated. 😊
@xpilar(75)· 2479d
I want to vote you as a witness and I think you should do now You have many with you and put a direct link for your witness on Steemworld.

I will also promote you if you become a witness when you are ready for it
@steemprojects(38)· 2479d
This post has been just added as new item to timeline of SteemWorld on Steem Projects.

If you want to be notified about new updates from this project, register on Steem Projects and add SteemWorld to your favorite projects.
@justineh(72)· 2479d
Entitled much?

It’s a good tool, like many others here on Steem, but you are not entitled for the community to pay for your closed source project. (Nor is anyone else, open or closed source).

Many tools and apps have been developed without community funds, not sure why you feel you are more entitled than them.

The SPS is designed in a way where payments are not guaranteed, and the changes in voting would make proposals funded one day and not the other. This is normal and most are taking this into consideration when making a proposal.

Are you saying that unless you are guaranteed (the very high amount you asked for), in whole, you will not continue the tool? As you have received funds.. no? This could be a good thing to clarify, as you have already collected funds and most likely will again.

Your lack of updates, clarity on what exactly you will do with funds, and posts that sounds more like guilt trips than proposals or updates aren’t the best way to go about it imo.

Maybe instead of trying to guilt people, you could actually show people why it’s something beneficial for all of Steem. And if the community decides its not, maybe you should charge those who seem to depend on it so much.. as I don’t really see it bringing people to Steem, more makes things easier for a few that are here, so perhaps you should pay for services that way if you are unhappy with the support you are receiving.

Just some friendly advice, as my goodness these posts are over the top.
@justinashby(62)· 2479d
I would vote you for witness and many others as well. Your tool is a great boon to the STEEM community. Post as much as you like you have paid your dues it isn't taking from the rewards pool man. That is EARNed STEEM. Keep with the SPS too. Freakin' do it all. I support you 100%. goes to vote for your Steem Proposal Don't trip potato chip.
@steemitqa(64)· 2479d
Yes, I just noticed this too. Strange stuff.
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